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Discussion Challenging the gynocentric world

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Recently have done psychotherapy, was getting angrier by the weeks because the fucks on the other side of the able never adressed how my life should change for the better in actuality but just how my thinking should get more positive. Dawned on me that they just dont have a non smoke&mirrors bluepilled answer because there is none.
Im not at fault, everyone else is at fault. Ive tried adapting to the normie world, to find my niche where I could live a contended existence but I cant change circumstances way out of my power, cant change that foids find me unattractive, cant change that work places require at large a level of social behaviour thats extremely taxing on me.

Dont feel like it has to be this way though, world order seems artificial, there is no reason why there is a populace that lives in a state of permanent hopelesness, defies the very principle of anthropology, that humans are strong because of an altruistic group mentality. So I thought about some way that change can be facilitated, not in a "enslave all foids" way but in a way that is plausible, as a starting point for further work.

Very core of all of this is working against widespread inceldom. Sex is at the very foundation of Maslows pyramid of needs, which not only makes sense on a natural level but has also been proven to be true for differing cultures all across the globe. Consistent sexual activity is a requirement for building confidence and a wholesome adult personality. It is denied to more and more men because of the adopted gynocentric worldview that favours hypergamy, other side of the spectrum is strict monogamy, the only true deterrent to the crumbling of relations between the sexes. Therefore propose three base legislative measures:

(1.) Divorce is outlawed. It is a bond for life, on both parts. Creates a forced family unit that is the basis for community and culture. Such a law is actually in effect in "3rd world" countries with success, Philipines for example.

(2.) Adultery is prohibited and gets you jailed. Bit more complicated here, since adultery is hard to prove, both parties that commit it would not want it to get out and its a very private matter. Think that the deterrent of getting caught is enough though, works that way with #metoo bullshit as well, dont need to jail every ugly male for "harassment", fear of it due to a few cases is enough to never approach. In case where partners have vastly differing levels of sexual desire, partner can agree to let spouse visit a prostitute by a signed form, burden of proof is with prostitutes, or again, jail time.

(3.) Child support is discontinued outside of marriages. Seems a bit abstract at first, but Im pretty sure of its effect on foids psyches. Foids are very predisposed to eventually have children, of course only with chad if they can. Key is to make it very unfavourable to have a child out of wedlock with uncommitting chad. Foids are largely unable to finance their own lifes, rely on parents at first or betabuxx later, tie financial security and motherhood to a strictly monogamous relationship and change should appear.

Just my ideas that I have been thinking about, its important that we dont go into utopian territory like changing foids mindsets. They will always find 80% of the male populace entirely unattractive, what should happen is to hinder this thinking from becoming the accepted norm in gynocentrism all round, make the rules such as is best for the most of men, and foids actually. Im aware that I completely let out the possibility that foids just continue to pump and dump with chad regardless, forego having children and marrying entirely. Will probably always be the case with a few, but Im banking on the fearful nature of foids, they do it now because they lose nothing by doing so, if it would entail visible negative outcomes for the future ("all my best frenemies have a happy family and multiple children and here I am broke with chads bastard") I dont think theyd keep up with it.
 
Very strong post ngl. Yes it is other peoples fault not ours yet they will always try to put the blame on us. Taking womens right to vote away is the only way for us to live in a utopia.
 
Very strong post ngl. Yes it is other peoples fault not ours yet they will always try to put the blame on us. Taking womens right to vote away is the only way for us to live in a utopia.
Couldnt agree more. Take away their rights and all this is solved.
 
Taking womens right to vote away is the only way for us to live in a utopia.

Thought about that too, seems reasonable and simple enough, was of the same opinion, that its the only way to get things back to normal. However, feasability is a real issue with this one, democratic participation rights are regarded as one of the fundamental achievements of foids "emancipation" even if theyre nearly meaningless in most countries by now. Will be even more screeching about that than restricting relationship issues or government funding.
Once foids are under the control of men again though, by means such as stated above, it wont matter much, theyll be used to sucking up to their husbands and fathers, not much voting for feminist parties will occur, probably wont be taken seriously at their inception.
I think the key is not to restrict foids egocentric behaviour, will only be seen as restricting freedom alltogether, but to make everyone, including foids, laugh about the mere thought that they want their stupid opinions represented seriously in the first place.
 
Meh. Idk man. I feel like if I get married I'll never be truly loved by my partner because she will most likely not find me attractive. She'll just end up committing suicide out of sheer sadness of her circumstances.
 
too long pls tldr
 
too long pls tldr
Alrighty boyo, tl;dr is this: The world around us needs to change if we are to ascend, cant change a thing about us being undesirable. To this end, foids need to be forced in monogamous relationships with men they dont find attractive. Came up with three ways to achieve this, followed with a little abstract on my general reasoning on why those could work despite being not too radical.

Meh. Idk man. I feel like if I get married I'll never be truly loved by my partner because she will most likely not find me attractive. She'll just end up committing suicide out of sheer sadness of her circumstances.
I understand your point but cant really follow your reasoning, all of us got handed the card of being undesirable. Its not out fault and we shouldnt feel bad about it. So Id prefer having at least somewhat a happy life, even if a foid has to suffer living together with someone she doesnt find attractive. Will be the end result for most of them anyway, waifuage is a cope in my opinion.
 
Meh. Idk man. I feel like if I get married I'll never be truly loved by my partner because she will most likely not find me attractive. She'll just end up committing suicide out of sheer sadness of her circumstances.
I guess mine can do that too after she makes me a sandwich and clean the house
 
Alrighty boyo, tl;dr is this: The world around us needs to change if we are to ascend, cant change a thing about us being undesirable. To this end, foids need to be forced in monogamous relationships with men they dont find attractive. Came up with three ways to achieve this, followed with a little abstract on my general reasoning on why those could work despite being not too radical.


I understand your point but cant really follow your reasoning, all of us got handed the card of being undesirable. Its not out fault and we shouldnt feel bad about it. So Id prefer having at least somewhat a happy life, even if a foid has to suffer living together with someone she doesnt find attractive. Will be the end result for most of them anyway, waifuage is a cope in my opinion.

Yeah life just ain't fair what can I say. Idk how I'm even gonna live with myself knowing my spouse is suffering every day just having me around.
 
I disagree on your first two points.

Lately I had been thinking that the state should stay out of marriage, and let it to religions. However, I just realized that this would be pointless if religions can't enforce the rules that go along marriage, such as how to deal with adultery. Letting people stone women to death is not something the state can reasonably allow, I think.

What to do then ? How should a secular, yet based society deal with marriage ?

Well, marriage is a contract, and it should be seen as such, nothing more. What to do in case of adultery for instance should be agreed upon and included in the contract.
 
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Well, marriage is a contract, and it should be seen as such, nothing more. What to do in case of adultery for instance should be agreed upon and included in the contract.

Cant really grasp what point youre trying to make. Its not about adultery primarily but about how foids are treated like perfect princesses, if theyre making a mistake someone else gets his head lopped off. What does it matter if anyone would try to implement rules in a contract if foids just refuse to agree to those terms? They have the leverage in any discussion on any topic since theyre the ones who decide about reproductive value, and theyre entirely unopposed since men eat each other up for chances at getting pussy.

Marriage, relationships are all about power dynamics, there is need for a change with those, needs to happen on an intrinsic level, not on an artificial level as in a contract when the legal system is heavily skewed in favour of foids anyway. Shame is what is needed, shame is what drives people to behave certain ways, going to jail carries a huge stigmata, even the possibility of it is enough, strict enforcement of justice isnt that important, but the dread of being penalized is what keeps people in line.
 
not on an artificial level as in a contract when the legal system is heavily skewed in favour of foids anyway.
Contracts have value on a juridical level.

My point was : remove any law regarding marriage in general and instead enforce every specific marriage contract. Guys will just have to pick a contract they find sensible and refuse any other.
 
Contracts have value on a juridical level.

My point was : remove any law regarding marriage in general and instead enforce every specific marriage contract. Guys will just have to pick a contract they find sensible and refuse any other.

I understand, interesting approach, differs wholly from the concept that has been established in western culture for a long time, need not be wrong because of that though, always have to go with the times. Didnt think about it this way, too entrenched in trad thinking probably, but abolishing the premise of state regulated marriage alltogether is a very blackpilled idea, going all the way and making it into a contractual relationship on the basis of the exchange of goods and services fits modern times.
 
Recently have done psychotherapy, was getting angrier by the weeks because the fucks on the other side of the able never adressed how my life should change for the better in actuality but just how my thinking should get more positive. Dawned on me that they just dont have a non smoke&mirrors bluepilled answer because there is none.
Im not at fault, everyone else is at fault. Ive tried adapting to the normie world, to find my niche where I could live a contended existence but I cant change circumstances way out of my power, cant change that foids find me unattractive, cant change that work places require at large a level of social behaviour thats extremely taxing on me.

Dont feel like it has to be this way though, world order seems artificial, there is no reason why there is a populace that lives in a state of permanent hopelesness, defies the very principle of anthropology, that humans are strong because of an altruistic group mentality. So I thought about some way that change can be facilitated, not in a "enslave all foids" way but in a way that is plausible, as a starting point for further work.

Very core of all of this is working against widespread inceldom. Sex is at the very foundation of Maslows pyramid of needs, which not only makes sense on a natural level but has also been proven to be true for differing cultures all across the globe. Consistent sexual activity is a requirement for building confidence and a wholesome adult personality. It is denied to more and more men because of the adopted gynocentric worldview that favours hypergamy, other side of the spectrum is strict monogamy, the only true deterrent to the crumbling of relations between the sexes. Therefore propose three base legislative measures:

(1.) Divorce is outlawed. It is a bond for life, on both parts. Creates a forced family unit that is the basis for community and culture. Such a law is actually in effect in "3rd world" countries with success, Philipines for example.

(2.) Adultery is prohibited and gets you jailed. Bit more complicated here, since adultery is hard to prove, both parties that commit it would not want it to get out and its a very private matter. Think that the deterrent of getting caught is enough though, works that way with #metoo bullshit as well, dont need to jail every ugly male for "harassment", fear of it due to a few cases is enough to never approach. In case where partners have vastly differing levels of sexual desire, partner can agree to let spouse visit a prostitute by a signed form, burden of proof is with prostitutes, or again, jail time.

(3.) Child support is discontinued outside of marriages. Seems a bit abstract at first, but Im pretty sure of its effect on foids psyches. Foids are very predisposed to eventually have children, of course only with chad if they can. Key is to make it very unfavourable to have a child out of wedlock with uncommitting chad. Foids are largely unable to finance their own lifes, rely on parents at first or betabuxx later, tie financial security and motherhood to a strictly monogamous relationship and change should appear.

Just my ideas that I have been thinking about, its important that we dont go into utopian territory like changing foids mindsets. They will always find 80% of the male populace entirely unattractive, what should happen is to hinder this thinking from becoming the accepted norm in gynocentrism all round, make the rules such as is best for the most of men, and foids actually. Im aware that I completely let out the possibility that foids just continue to pump and dump with chad regardless, forego having children and marrying entirely. Will probably always be the case with a few, but Im banking on the fearful nature of foids, they do it now because they lose nothing by doing so, if it would entail visible negative outcomes for the future ("all my best frenemies have a happy family and multiple children and here I am broke with chads bastard") I dont think theyd keep up with it.
Didn't read.
 
not a single word
 
Very strong post ngl. Yes it is other peoples fault not ours yet they will always try to put the blame on us. Taking womens right to vote away is the only way for us to live in a utopia.
And take men's right to vote too, feminism started in western democracies, after all and we must ensure that this does not happen again.
 

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