Well, I don't think they are incompatible. The blackpill is a set of observations. These observations can be fitted into any worldview. The christian worldview could simply interpret the behavior we see as a result of the fall. Even determinism is compatible with christianity, especially for some branches of protestants. Most believe in synergy between divine will and human will though. The christian worldview is extremely specific about the stated goals of life, the purpose of reality and other questions, that are not answered in the blackpill, because the blackpill does not contain as many value judgements as other "pill" views such as the redpill.
I would actually argue that it's much harder if not impossible to be Christian and and red- or bluepilled than it is to be Christian and blackpilled. Redpill arguments are filled with weird value judgements and moral prescriptions they have no explanation for, such idk "its your biological imperative to do XYZ" or they say "it is natural (as in natural law) that this or that behavior exists in humans, so if you fall short of that you are a genetic failure" (notice, they introduce purpose and meaning and goals when their view argues from biological essentialism and determinism, blackpill doesnt do that).
Compared to other pill-ideologies (i dont consider BP an ideology but I do think redpill and bluepill are), the BP invites very strong feelings of humility and surrender. It brings to awareness that there are factors and things we are all subject to and can not withdraw from. This again overlaps strongly with aspects of the christian message -
Proverbs 16:9: "A manโs heart plans his way, but the LORD determines his steps."
Life then becomes about acknowledging your own powerlessness, embracing that you are not as important as you think, that you can not achieve everything and that you are in the hands of something greater than you. Redpill and bluepill do the opposite - they encourage people to be delulu, have confidence for no reason and enormous pride in their achievements, when they did nothing to deserves those (just world fallacy).
The BP is the ony "pill" that incentivizes a realistic outlook on life and humility before the forces that guide is whether we like it or not. This is compatible with the christian message. Of course, humility like that is seen largely pathological in modern society, so BP and incels are interpreted as having a "fatalistic worldview" by outsiders.
Yes indeed, acknowleding that you, the 5ft manlet living in pakistan, will never bed down with an attractive woman and have unlimited sex and resources available, is "fatalistic" to these people, who need to live in la la land permanently because modern life offers no solace, no reprive other than the constant chase of pleasure and copium. Indoctrinated by materialism or other such worldviews, they are left withhout hope. Greater feelings and sensibilities appear "cringe" to them. The bible even anticipates this and speaks of those who say, this life is all there is, so let's just party and get it over with.
For they reasoned unsoundly, saying to themselves,
โShort and sorrowful is our life,
and there is no remedy when a life comes to its end,
and no one has been known to return from Hades.
For we were born by mere chance,
...
โCome, therefore, let us enjoy the good things that exist
and make use of the creation to the full as in youth.
Let us take our fill of costly wine and perfumes,
and let no flower of spring pass us by.
For they reasoned unsoundly, saying to themselves, โShort and sorrowful is our life, and there is no remedy when a life comes to its end, and no one has been known to return from Hades. For we were born by mere chance, and hereafter we shall be as though we had never been, for the breath in our...
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They dont believe in life after death, so this life becomes everything there is. And this life is very harsh and seemingly unforgiving, so they cope, and therefore they see the BP as depressing and fatalistic. From the Chrisitan view, the opposite is true. This life and the struggle here gives hope for the next life, "come ye weary laden, my burden is light and my yoke is easy," (parphrasing christ),
"If you belonged to the world, the world would love as its own. But I chose you from this world and you do not belong to it. That is why the world hates you. If the world hates you, just remember that it has hated me first. Whoever hates me hates my father also. If I had not done among them the things no one else ever did. As it is they have seen as I did. And they hate both me and my father. This however was bound to happen so what is written in their law may come true - they hated me for no reason at all.
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I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.โ
It is important to understand christian philosophy to grasp this. In christianity, christ is not a mere man who manifests and flies around on a cloud.. Christ is synomous with reality itself. Reality is Christ. To deny Christ is not like braking a law, it is to deny reality itself. Christ in the christian view is synomous with truth itself - "I am the truth, the way and the light." That's why Christ says, I have not come to bring peace but a sword" - because the truth (christ) is inherently divisive. It divides truth from falsehood. Christ is eternal, benevolent, personal.
The non-christian who does not believe that reality, that truth itself is a person, must believe in the opposite, that reality is impersonal, uncaring and unforgiving. If reality is not a person, then it threatens personhood altogether, because people are part of reality. But if reality is not a person, then people can not exist, because "person" is not part of reality. Personhood must be something like an illusion in this view. An "evolutionary coping mechanism" they sometimes say. The same goes for truth, especially search for absolute truth. They reduce it to a cope. Everything, literally everything just becomes cope to them, distraction. Thats why shit like transhumanism appeals to them, where humans either euthanize themselves or are stuck in coom-pod machines where they are kept on a cocktail of drugs and porn 24/7.
Since they dont believe in personhood, meaning, truth or stable identity, they always must descend into further cycles of stress and coping. Remember, the evolution view is that stress is natural and the vehicle of "progress." But evolution denies progress but also affirms it, it is itself contradictory, for example the idea of "mutation" implies purpose, that something was supposed to work a certain way beforehand but then there was a norm-deviation from that designated purpose and this is called a mutation.
This is obviously contradictory becaues under the evo-view, there is no inherent purpose, so there can not be mutations, because there can not be deviations from intended purposes. This is just one example of how retarded this is. Their answer is that we simply use this jargon ripe with purpose-language for pragmatic reasons, but notice again, they are saying purpose, meaning, personhood are mere illusions, fictions generated by humans to cope, and that's the only reason they say we keep mentioning purpose, direction, progress although these don't exist. It is a schizophrenic, self-destructive view, it eats itself. Hence shit like "biological imperative" as used by redpillers also makes no sense. It's an appeal to natural law, which is a religious concept, made by people claiming to be atheists.
Sine they believe that reality is basically a black hole of nothing that swallows everything into undifferentiated matter upon death, they necessarily must experience constant existential dread and destabilization of their sense of identity.
They then intuitively counter this feeling of constantly slipping away by distracting themselves or aggressively trying to assert their idenity by posturing, adopting weird idosyncratic beliefs to stand out from what they see as "the crowd" and so forth (e.g. the various copes we see, political stances, being emotionally invested into gaming politics or marxism or right wing coping, or trump). But it's a loosing battle, because in their view the ultimate reality is not welcoming of persons but murderous of them. It wants to kill them. To them, when you die, you are literally obliterated by reality itself. Reality wants to kill you, your identity and person. They are in a war against this, against death, it informs everything they do and think
Now of course at this point, someone could simply say, well isn't christianity the same? Just a cope with reality? Well if you grant that, then no argument againts Christianity can be made anymore, because if this is true and as I said, ALL is just coping with "le harsh reality of being nothing on a pale blue dot in vast universe bla bla" then no argument can be made against any worldview anymore. You can not defend yourself against anything nor attack anything. Any attack boomerangs right back - "but you are doing the same, thing coping by arguing like it matters." So this argument too, eats itself. It leads to destruction of sense of meaning, identity, purpose and life.
And because this state is unbearable, it "bounces" people off and sends them flying into another coping spiral. Like a rubber cell. The insane person in the rubber cell throws themselves against one wall called "politics" and bounces off because politics offers no relief from the existential terror of life. They are catapulted off the wall into another side of the cell, let's say "sexual rupture," or "financial freedom" - and again they bounce off and richochet into the next wall, which rejects them. This never ends until they die. Life is war, torture, suffering, death is the only exit - hence they advocate for abortion and euthanasia.
By contrast, if we assume the Christian view, In Christianity, Christ has trampled death, death no longer exists. Death only torments non-believers - "the wages of sin are death." In Christ there is eternal life, eternal joy. Death looses its bite. 1 Corinthians 15:55 -
"O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" How can you be alive if your life is just a constant struggle against inevitable death. This makes life perpetual war. Hence, once you believe that life is eternal and that you have life in Christ, who is reality himself and benevolent, you can actually start living instead of being a death worshipper who is pleading and begging an unrelenting death-affirming reality to spare him.
"For in him we live and move and have our being, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also his offspring." (Acts 17:28).
So ultimately, the blackpill is closer to Christianity than any of the other views. It affirms that this world offers little in the way of a stable life or control and it acknowledges that there are greater laws at work here that govern us, whether we like it or not. Further, it is concerned with the falliability of human reasoning and human biases. So it is close to the Christian view of people being inherently flawed. By contrast, the redpill and bluepill are completely contrary to this. While some people that adhere to these type of views larp as Christian, their lifestyles always betray them.
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They claim to be christian but are completely focused on attaining power in this world, elongating their life as much as possible, as if death is real and a threat to them (it shouldn't be if they believe in eternal life in Christ), they talk about politics and other issues as if they matter, when Christianity literally deletes the importance of politics - why would the faith in the eternal living God be intertwined with american politics in the 21st century, think about how comical that is. Anyway, I already explained why they have to cope like that - they dont have stable sense of identity because they deny the existence of eternal unchanging truths and laws ("dont generalize"
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They believe all is instable impersonal flux. Their view is funnily more fatalistic than the BP in that sense but I digress. If you believe that reality is stable, has unchanging universal laws, then this automatically threatens your coping and necessarily leads to humility and submission, unless you are complete schizo and think that you are synomous with reality itself to the point where you are god-like and a universal law of your own.
Ernst Jรผnger, the german writer of last century and semi-mystic, though not Christian, expressed a similiar notion in this quote (grok translation):
This was written between the world wars. And it has become true. For instance we have seen these memes about corporate minimalism making everything look like shit. How even 1990s MacShit restaurants were more visually appealing than modern ones. If you believe life is ultimately just a coping marathon - "he who dies with the most toys wins" - then of course you will just optimize coping in the moment over eternal things. A restaurant does not need nice artwork inside of it or a pleasant atmosphere, it needs to dispense cope at maximum efficency. Remove the art, remove the colors, turn that shit into the equivalent of pornhub, instant immediate cope on demand, faster, faster, FASTER!
And like I said, since this doesn't work and coping always fails because death comes for all of us and most believe death is absolute, the coping becomes all there is. In coping they hope to achieve final victory - victory over death. This is the origin of transhumanism. Death is the enemy and the vehicle to overcome death is technology or euthanasia.
But to the Christian, Christ has already trampled death. Hence, as Junger writes, the martyrs could throw themselves into the arena to be torn apart by animals and be almost joyful, but the modern person can not even wait 30 seconds for their burger without going ER, because they feel as if life is slipping between their fingers at increasing speed and upon death, it is done, they are done. So they must squeeze as much out of it as they can while they are here.
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"Unlike war, life never ends."
"By bread alone."
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"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"" -
Matthew 4:4
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:1
To close this post up and go back to the beginning quesiton: Can you follow Christ, can you be a Christian while being blackpilled? Absolutely. They are not mutually exclusive, unlike the redpill and bluepill, which are incompatible with Christianity:
- blackpill acknowledges existence and irresitible influence of higher power, which encourages personal humility. Redpill and bluepill do the opposite, they affirm personal hyper-agency and hyper-individualism, which is patently absurd given how deterministic life is
- blackpill holds all humans accountable for their behavior and supports original sin by pointing out extreme pervasiveness of biases such as lookism and the failure of humans to make accurate judgements of pretty much anything. Redpill puts women and random ass niggas on pedestal for doing nothing, for having rich daddy or whatever and conflates this with "success" and achievement. They look at people that are essentially Meeks in terms of luck and think they did something to deserve that
- blackpill philosophically is closer to the christian view, it has higher level of abstraction about reality itself, civiliization and existence. This is mistakenly called fatalistic, because it feels fatalistic to people that can not handle blackpill, when it really is not. If there is absolute objective truth then it will be fatal, ultimate, unrelenting, no shit. This is terrifying to the unbeliever, but not to the faithful who loves truth. By contrast Redpill and bluepill stay completely grounded in immediate experience and coping by avoiding truth, they care about local politics, sex, diet, food - all bodily functions. Redpill and bluepill are philosophically extremely poor, which may also explain why there are so many retarded ethnics from 3rd world engaging it and becoming popular in redpill circles, like Andrew Tate, Hamza, Sneako, Fuentes etc
- blackpill encourages empathy for low-status members of society by opening your eyes to harshness of lookism and other flawed human reasoning and also about how little control people have over their life outcomes. This is Christ like since Christ dined with scum of the earth instead of appealing to authorities like a sycophant. By contrast, redpill and bluepill take a very unfavorable stance towards the unfortunate by holding even hobos accountable to insane degree, sometimes even advocating for open killing of the homeless and mentally feeble - "its just natural selection bro ." They only worship power and hate low status men. This again is completely echoed in the bible already, - see the link from earlier, bottom of passage:
Let us oppress the righteous poor man;
let us not spare the widow
or regard the gray hairs of the aged.
But let our might be our law of right,
for what is weak proves itself to be useless.
Let us lie in wait for the righteous man,
because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions;
he reproaches us for sins against the law
and accuses us of sins against our training.
He professes to have knowledge of God
and calls himself a child of the Lord.
He became to us a reproof of our thoughts;
the very sight of him is a burden to us,
because his manner of life is unlike that of others,
and his ways are strange.
- blackpill clashes with status quo by aggressively exposing societal biases through caustic commentary that highlights the rotten core of humanity, which post-enlightenment civilization is desperate to conceal, because it loathes the idea of original sin and that people are not born as de-facto good people and blank slates. This is Christ like. Christ adressed social ills of his time and openly called out virtue signalling and hypocrisy in his time
I am sure there are more points to add, but these are some that came to mind spontaneously. I hope this added to discussion somehow because I tend to ramble.
