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Theory Buying sex thought experiment

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Advantages of buying sex from a woman you meet out:

"Hey baby, what's the going price?" - AC/DC

1. Price

Regular women usually have little to no knowledge of the sex market, are unpractised in selling sex explicitly and lack alternative offers, so you could well negotiate a lower price, especially for an all-nighter

2. Social

The "lads" would enjoy the story and admire the sheer shamelessness and thrill-seeking nature of it

3. Excitement

It's novel, transgressive and uncertain for her, especially if it's her first time being prostituted, it may feel flattering and powerful to get paid a relatively large amount for a single encounter (especially via negotiation, but paradoxically she may also feel dependent, like you're her boss for the night) and the man expressing his desire like this would likely feel bold, as well as implying some level of wealth and success on his part, so this may generate excitement from her, increasing the charge of the encounter

4. Authenticity

She may behave more as she would with a man she's having sex with for "free" than a prostitute would as she wouldn't be following a script, increasing spontaneity and authenticity

5. Performance motivation

She may perform with little inhibition because you've "bought her shame"; she has "permission" to "be a slut", thoughts of a relationship don't come into it, she may be thinking "If I do well, he'll want more even at a high price" and she may be worried, consciously or subconsciously, that if she doesn't fully satisfy you, you won't pay her in full for the night or pay her at all (or even expose her as a hooker if she wrongs you)

6. Validation

She's likely more discriminating about who she has sex with than a prostitute is and selling sex explicitly is/was not part of her identity, which makes it feel more authentic and validating even though it's transactional

7. Flexibility

She's less likely to have hard rules about transactional sexual engagement because she isn't in the sex industry; perhaps she's more willing to accept bareback etc., especially if one has a recent clean STD test

8. Pregnancy and "boyfriend" risks

She may have a "boyfriend" and the pregnancy risk is likely greater than it is with a prostitute, increasing unpredictability and intensity

9. Symbolic thrill

Other things being equal, it's more exciting to "make" a woman a prostitute (to "degrade" her and expose a forbidden truth; that she was always a whore) than it is to have sex with one who already explicitly is (she's also symbolically cleaner/purer than the prostitute in terms of promiscuity and disease, whether she is or not, reducing anxiety and increasing excitement)

10. One-off nature

Compared to a professional prostitute, the woman you met out feels far more like a one-off; the latter strategy is harder to pull off, it starts in real life (no online business interaction, more authentic), it's spontaneous, the situation is more complicated and a good prostitute could be seen as a reliable medium or long-term partner in that specific role, whereas with the regular woman you plan to leave before she wakes up the following morning (which minimises risk and is the most powerful move)

11. Her emotional conflict

It may well be emotionally conflicting for her (feelings of nerves, guilt, confusion, vulnerability, resentment, regret), potentially increasing arousal, certainly increasing unpredictability and it's symbolically closer to coercive sex, which is transgressive and charged with power dynamics

12. The thrill of the offer

There is a thrill to making a woman an offer knowing that you could be vilified, rejected and offend but doing it anyway; it's uninhibited, transgressive and "disrespectful"/"anti-feminist"/anti-puritan, whether it works or not

Disadvantages:

1. Reliability

It's not as quick or reliable as finding an escort online: searching and rejections cost time and energy

2. Emotional volatility

She's more likely to be emotionally volatile and dangerous than a professional sex worker

3. Social blowback

Most people would view it as taboo, opportunistic and scummy, so there's the potential for blowback from the public​
 
I'd probably never do it, i think it's cucked to pay a whore to fuck her used up hole.
 
I see no advantage to paying a woman for sex under any circumstance. I also do not think people should be sleeping with people they barely know, whether for money, thrill, or just because they can. What mattered was what we missed out on: the awkward innocence of teen love. If you did not experience sex young, when you and the girl were both inexperienced, bumping heads and laughing through it together, then it is over. That part of life does not return, no matter how much money you spend later.
 
I see no advantage to paying a woman for sex under any circumstance. I also do not think people should be sleeping with people they barely know, whether for money, thrill, or just because they can. What mattered was what we missed out on: the awkward innocence of teen love. If you did not experience sex young, when you and the girl were both inexperienced, bumping heads and laughing through it together, then it is over. That part of life does not return, no matter how much money you spend later.
I agree
 
I'd probably never do it, i think it's cucked to pay a whore to fuck her used up hole.
Same. But if I did I would want to go to Japan to do so.
 
These are low T/high inhib rationalisations. What's actually "cucked" is being a lifelong virgin and masturbating to male pornstars fucking.
 
Updated version:

Pros and cons of buying sex from a non-prostitute

"Hey baby, what's the going price?" - AC/DC

Advantages:

1. Price

Regular women usually have little to no knowledge of the sex market, are unpractised in selling sex explicitly and lack alternative offers, so you could well negotiate a lower price, especially for an all-nighter

2. Social

The "lads" would enjoy the story and admire the sheer shamelessness and thrill-seeking nature of it

3. Excitement

It's novel, transgressive and uncertain for her, especially if it's her first time being prostituted, it may feel flattering and powerful to get paid a relatively large amount for a single encounter (especially via negotiation, but paradoxically she may also feel dependent, like you're her boss for the night) and the man expressing his desire like this would likely feel bold to her, as well as implying a decent amount of disposable wealth on his part, so this may generate excitement, increasing the charge of the encounter

4. Authenticity

She may behave more as she would with a man she's having sex with for "free" than a prostitute would as she wouldn't be following a script, increasing spontaneity and authenticity

5. Performance motivation

She may perform with little inhibition because you've "bought her shame"; she has "permission" to "be a slut", thoughts of a relationship are unlikely to come into it, she may be thinking "If I do well, he'll want more even at a high price" and she may be worried, consciously or subconsciously, that if she doesn't fully satisfy you, you won't pay her in full for the night or pay her at all (or even expose her as a hooker if she wrongs you)

6. Validation

She's likely more discriminating about who she has sex with than a prostitute is and selling sex explicitly is/was not part of her identity, which makes it feel more authentic and validating even though it's transactional

7. Flexibility

She's less likely to have hard rules about transactional sexual engagement because she isn't in the sex industry; perhaps she's more willing to accept bareback etc., especially if one has a recent clean STD test

8. Pregnancy and "boyfriend" risks

She may have a "boyfriend" and the pregnancy risk is likely greater than it is with a prostitute, increasing unpredictability and intensity

9. Symbolic thrill

Other things being equal, it's more exciting to "make" a woman a prostitute (to "degrade" her and expose a forbidden truth, that she was always a whore) than it is to have sex with one who already explicitly is (she's also symbolically cleaner/purer than the prostitute in terms of promiscuity and disease, whether she is or not, reducing anxiety and increasing excitement)

10. One-off nature

Compared to a professional prostitute, the regular woman feels far more like a one-off; the latter strategy is harder to pull off, it probably starts in real life (no online business interaction, more authentic), it's more spontaneous, the situation is more complicated and a good prostitute could be seen as a reliable medium or long-term partner in that specific role, whereas with the regular woman you probably plan to leave before she wakes up the following morning (which minimises risk and is the most powerful move)

11. Her emotional conflict

It may well be emotionally conflicting for her (feelings of nerves, guilt, confusion, vulnerability, resentment, regret), potentially increasing arousal and it's symbolically closer to coercive sex, which is transgressive and charged with power dynamics

12. The thrill of the offer

There is a thrill to making a woman an offer knowing that you could be vilified, rejected and offend but doing it anyway; it's uninhibited, transgressive and "disrespectful"/"anti-feminist"/anti-puritan, whether it works or not

13. Potential for ongoing encounters

If you successfully make this offer on a date and the sex is enjoyable (likely aided by prior practice with prostitutes), it probably increases the chances that she'd want to have sex with you going forward relative to conventional dating; you've crossed the boundary, it was pleasurable and she may feel some emotional attachment

This approach can turn a no into a yes whereas if she declines the offer, she was very probably always going to say no. At the very least you're saving a lot of time, energy and frustration. In the case that she was always going to say no the offer functions as revenge: you are implicitly calling her a prostitute and worse, a parasite. If she's indignant: "Why do you think I'm here? Am I some kind of Platonic eunuch?", "You expected me to give you attention, pay for your food and drinks but not put out? Fuck off." and "Enjoy the uber home." Much as she hates it, she'll secretly respect it: "That entitled asshole just cares about himself", "How much money was it anyway?" and "Maybe I should have taken that offer".

Disadvantages:

1. Reliability

It's not as quick or reliable as finding an escort online: searching and rejections cost time and energy

2. Emotional volatility

She's more likely to be emotionally volatile and dangerous than a professional sex worker

3. Social blowback

Most people would view it as taboo, opportunistic and scummy, so there's the potential for blowback from the public​
 
Potential lines:

"Best £500 I ever spent."

"You did half the job, you get half the money."

“Think of me as your boss: for the night, I call the shots.”

"Let's face it: you'd have taken £250."

"You want that money, don't you?"

"Yeah baby, make that money!"
 
Bro if its legal go for it, if not tred extremely carefully
 
Bro if its legal go for it, if not tred extremely carefully
On a date I believe it's legal. Prostitution (the offer of money for sex) is legal in Britain. Owning a brothel and kerb-crawling are not (though police often turn a blind eye even here).

Chat: "Legally, it’s a gray area. Police could theoretically act if they thought exploitation was involved, but if it’s genuinely a private, consensual offer on a date, it’s unlikely they would."​
 
Advantages of buying sex from a woman you meet out:

"Hey baby, what's the going price?" - AC/DC

1. Price

Regular women usually have little to no knowledge of the sex market, are unpractised in selling sex explicitly and lack alternative offers, so you could well negotiate a lower price, especially for an all-nighter

2. Social

The "lads" would enjoy the story and admire the sheer shamelessness and thrill-seeking nature of it

3. Excitement

It's novel, transgressive and uncertain for her, especially if it's her first time being prostituted, it may feel flattering and powerful to get paid a relatively large amount for a single encounter (especially via negotiation, but paradoxically she may also feel dependent, like you're her boss for the night) and the man expressing his desire like this would likely feel bold, as well as implying some level of wealth and success on his part, so this may generate excitement from her, increasing the charge of the encounter

4. Authenticity

She may behave more as she would with a man she's having sex with for "free" than a prostitute would as she wouldn't be following a script, increasing spontaneity and authenticity

5. Performance motivation

She may perform with little inhibition because you've "bought her shame"; she has "permission" to "be a slut", thoughts of a relationship don't come into it, she may be thinking "If I do well, he'll want more even at a high price" and she may be worried, consciously or subconsciously, that if she doesn't fully satisfy you, you won't pay her in full for the night or pay her at all (or even expose her as a hooker if she wrongs you)

6. Validation

She's likely more discriminating about who she has sex with than a prostitute is and selling sex explicitly is/was not part of her identity, which makes it feel more authentic and validating even though it's transactional

7. Flexibility

She's less likely to have hard rules about transactional sexual engagement because she isn't in the sex industry; perhaps she's more willing to accept bareback etc., especially if one has a recent clean STD test

8. Pregnancy and "boyfriend" risks

She may have a "boyfriend" and the pregnancy risk is likely greater than it is with a prostitute, increasing unpredictability and intensity

9. Symbolic thrill

Other things being equal, it's more exciting to "make" a woman a prostitute (to "degrade" her and expose a forbidden truth; that she was always a whore) than it is to have sex with one who already explicitly is (she's also symbolically cleaner/purer than the prostitute in terms of promiscuity and disease, whether she is or not, reducing anxiety and increasing excitement)

10. One-off nature

Compared to a professional prostitute, the woman you met out feels far more like a one-off; the latter strategy is harder to pull off, it starts in real life (no online business interaction, more authentic), it's spontaneous, the situation is more complicated and a good prostitute could be seen as a reliable medium or long-term partner in that specific role, whereas with the regular woman you plan to leave before she wakes up the following morning (which minimises risk and is the most powerful move)

11. Her emotional conflict

It may well be emotionally conflicting for her (feelings of nerves, guilt, confusion, vulnerability, resentment, regret), potentially increasing arousal, certainly increasing unpredictability and it's symbolically closer to coercive sex, which is transgressive and charged with power dynamics

12. The thrill of the offer

There is a thrill to making a woman an offer knowing that you could be vilified, rejected and offend but doing it anyway; it's uninhibited, transgressive and "disrespectful"/"anti-feminist"/anti-puritan, whether it works or not

Disadvantages:

1. Reliability

It's not as quick or reliable as finding an escort online: searching and rejections cost time and energy

2. Emotional volatility

She's more likely to be emotionally volatile and dangerous than a professional sex worker

3. Social blowback

Most people would view it as taboo, opportunistic and scummy, so there's the potential for blowback from the public​
FeelsGPT
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Women don't whore themselves out to strangers if they never did it before. They feel it's too risky for them, that's why pimps exist it gives them a sense of safety.

And even if you somehow find a woman to do it with, you're not going to get away with paying her only a little bit, she'll demand full price 100% and you definitely WON'T be able to get away with paying her less or not at all.
 
I would end up being charged with sexual harassment.
 
FeelsGPT
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Women don't whore themselves out to strangers if they never did it before. They feel it's too risky for them, that's why pimps exist it gives them a sense of safety.

And even if you somehow find a woman to do it with, you're not going to get away with paying her only a little bit, she'll demand full price 100% and you definitely WON'T be able to get away with paying her less or not at all.
"FeelsGPT"

?

"And even if you somehow find a woman to do it with"

Women in party scenes trade sex for drugs of relatively low monetary value, I think what I outline is realistic if you cast a fairly wide net.

If she's single and has had multiple partners, she likely has a price and it's a matter of resources/negotiation. I'm not deluded: this isn't cheap but it could realistically be cheaper than an established high end escort.

I know a woman who'd likely accept this, she's a single mother on welfare and I'm sure she's fucked men for drugs in the past. But there's too much social blowback in that particular case.​
 
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On a date I believe it's legal. Prostitution (the offer of money for sex) is legal in Britain. Owning a brothel and kerb-crawling are not (though police often turn a blind eye even here).

Chat: "Legally, it’s a gray area. Police could theoretically act if they thought exploitation was involved, but if it’s genuinely a private, consensual offer on a date, it’s unlikely they would."​
Youre from the UK? Easy buy a ticket to germany or france i know fucking whores in UK is legal but theyre ugly.
 
Potential lines:

"Best £500 I ever spent."

"You did half the job, you get half the money."

“Think of me as your boss: for the night, I call the shots.”

"Let's face it: you'd have taken £250."

"You want that money, don't you?"

"Yeah baby, make that money!"
Boomer’s living in 2003
 
Gay if you've never banged a hooker.
The ole dont want to give money to foids argument is cope
Since the simping allowed my prostitution criminalization funnels more money into foid pockets
Than prostitution ever did
 
Gay if you've never banged a hooker.
The ole dont want to give money to foids argument is cope
Since the simping allowed my prostitution criminalization funnels more money into foid pockets
Than prostitution ever did
I've never banged a hooker.
 
Gay if you've never banged a hooker.
The ole dont want to give money to foids argument is cope
Since the simping allowed my prostitution criminalization funnels more money into foid pockets
Than prostitution ever did
Indeed. It's utterly pathetic. Prostitution costs money but celibacy and porn takes one's soul, in my experience. There's always a price to pay.

Also, anyone who spends money feeds it back into the economy, which in some roundabout way goes to women. No one on this forum is going full scavenger-thief-ascetic to own the gynocracy.​
 

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