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So the opinion I am going to voice in this thread may sound a bit blue pilled :bluepill: but bear with me, read it to the end, think about it, then you can shit on me.

I’ve recently read :feelsstudy: Dostoevsky’s “Notes from the Underground” which is essentially about a spiteful, chronically over-thinking, escortcel. The story is a commentary on Nietzsche’s concept of Ressentiment, which is what this post is about. To summarize briefly, Ressentiment arises from an inferiority-complex in the face of an object that causes one to feel frustrated in some way. In order to cope with this, the person makes up a moral system in which the superior object is vilified and the inferior (himself) is thus declared good. The following metaphor from Nietzsche himself explains it well:

The problem with the other origin of the “good,” of the good man, as the person of ressentiment has thought it out for himself, demands some conclusion. It is not surprising that the lambs should bear a grudge against the great birds of prey, but that is no reason for blaming the great birds of prey for taking the little lambs. And when the lambs say among themselves, "These birds of prey are evil, and he who least resembles a bird of prey, who is rather its opposite, a lamb,—should he not be good?" then there is nothing to carp with in this ideal's establishment, though the birds of prey may regard it a little mockingly, and maybe say to themselves, "We bear no grudge against them, these good lambs, we even love them: nothing is tastier than a tender lamb."

When I read this, I clearly saw parallels with the Incel-Chad dynamic. Essentially, the black pill teaches us about lookism, hypergamy, and all other shit and it shows us why Chad is basically superior (at least reproductively so) and we’re doomed to be inferior. Many of us take this further to the extent that Chads and women are vilified for acting out their superiority over us. We, in turn, are essentially good because we unfairly suffer at the hands of women and Chad. If we stop our analysis at Nietzsche, we can conclude that incels, no matter what they chose to do, view the world in an unhealthy dualistic way which prevents us from breaking out of this cycle and addressing the issue at hand. So am I saying “take a shower bro?” No!

I went on further and read René Girard’s interpretation of the concept which develops it into a proper white pill. What he says briefly is that Ressentiment is the price we pay for rejecting animalistic behavior, turning the other cheek. It is the penultimate step to achieving bliss whereby we free ourselves from nature's dominance.

We look at the current subhuman sexual market which is grounded in nothing but instincts and results in devolution of our society because it selects for violence and stupidity. Then, willfully (shoutout to the volcels) or unwilfully, we reject participating in this clown society, we reject meaningless intra-male competition forced on us by women, we chose to be people and not animals. The price we pay for this noble choice is Ressentiment, because we must witness Chads and women dominate us in every single way as they play the game and we do not. At this stage, there is a high risk of adopting and unhealthy black pill where you meaninglessly vilify women and Chads because you, yourself feel hurt. Do not despair my friends! Don’t dwell in hate. Recognize that we are a crucial step in humanities intellectual evolution. We’re the class of people which rejects excessive, animalistic, competition, in favor of higher goals, a more meaningful life. Don’t focus on not getting pussy, this too shall pass. Recognize your own intellectual importance, instead of dwelling in nihilism and overthinking, use your celibacy to advance a better vision of humanity.

:whitepill::whitepill::whitepill::whitepill::whitepill::whitepill::whitepill:

COPE, yes I’ve said it before you.:feelstastyman::feelstastyman::feelstastyman:
 
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read it, despite the bluepill caution. nothing much, but cope. but the last two sentence does not make sense to me. share media.
 
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I really like this kind of high IQ reflection. We should have more of it on this site.

That being said, though... Turning your argument on its head, isn't the whitepill, as presented by you, just a more refined version of the Nietzschean ressentiment? I mean, your remark on transcending our animalistic nature sounds an awful lot like leaving behind one form of dualism (incel good, Chad & foids bad) for another (incel transcended being, Chad & foids animals). Other than that, I think this path of transcending our animal nature is only feasible for a tiny minority of incels. If anything, many if not most incels will probably continue to suffer like wounded animals until they either rope or go ER or ascend, perhaps becoming less human in the process, not more. Which isn't to say that it should not become a lofty ideal.
 
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Lol. "Become docile," in other words. No. I want there to be social changes -- either the complete decriminalization of prostitution or a return to social conservativism. I want incels to become political and help drive narratives against the politicians most callous about our situation. For example, I want incels, come 2024 election time, to get on twitter and go after Kamala Harris. She established her political career by whoring herself to a man in his 60s (Willie Brown.) Then as Senator she has the gall to go after Backpage for making prostitution easier. I mean, surely there is a cultural connection between the fact that Kamala established her career by whoring herself out to an older man (and it's taboo to call her out for it) and the incel crisis? You can't defend incels in public becausde of foid worship. You can't call out Kamala on being a whore who traded her sexual availability for a career boost because of foid worship. And ancient bargain between the sexes was betrayed and a docile reaction will not suffice I'm afraid.
 
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So become a docile cuck because “ muh high IQ”
 
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Divergent_Integral said:
I really like this kind of high IQ reflection. We should have more of it on this site.

That being said, though... Turning your argument on its head, isn't the whitepill, as presented by you, just a more refined version of the Nietzschean ressentiment? I mean, your remark on transcending our animalistic nature sounds an awful lot like leaving behind one form of dualism (incel good, Chad & foids bad) for another (incel transcended being, Chad & foids animals). Other than that, I think this path of transcending our animal nature is only feasible for a tiny minority of incels. If anything, many if not most incels will probably continue to suffer like wounded animals until they either rope or go ER or ascend, perhaps becoming less human in the process, not more. Which isn't to say that it should not become a lofty ideal.
I am actually saying that you shouldn't treat Chad or foids as animals, some of their behaviors should be rightly declared animalistic, yes, but I am advocating against blind hate for them; focus on your own enlightenment, their lack of it is irrelevant. I believe this is an evolutionary opportunity for us to free ourselves from the shackles of nature and of course not everyone is capable, but so is life, isn't that the black pill?
 
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Lol. "Become docile," in other words. No. I want there to be social changes -- either the complete decriminalization of prostitution or a return to social conservativism. I want incels to become political and help drive narratives against the politicians most callous about our situation. For example, I want incels, come 2024 election time, to get on twitter and go after Kamala Harris. She established her political career by whoring herself to a man in his 60s (Willie Brown.) Then as Senator she has the gall to go after Backpage for making prostitution easier. I mean, surely there is a cultural connection between the fact that Kamala established her career by whoring herself out to an older man (and it's taboo to call her out for it) and the incel crisis? You can't defend incels in public becausde of foid worship. You can't call out Kamala on being a whore who traded her sexual availability for a career boost because of foid worship. And ancient bargain between the sexes was betrayed and a docile reaction will not suffice I'm afraid.
Never did I say anything about being docile, but lets address what you say point by point.

Prostitution is just a shitty way to cope with your animalistic desire while avoiding your responsibility to transcend it. History gives us countless examples of complete celibacy (together with instructions) which led to enormous success.

A return to social conservatism isn't possible for two reasons. First of all, any and all conservatism is fucking mental retardation because it is self-destructive. It doesn't have a concrete ideology, instead it just cuckserves whatever is in place. That way a conservative in 1910 lynches blacks and a conservative in 2018 doesn't mind gay marriage. Secondly, a return to anything is never possible because it is our nature to progress, you will never be able to maintain one system in place, especially as technology advances.

I am not American and I don't understand your weird obsession with some irrelevant political foid, she'll be gone in four years and nobody will care. You're borderline foid worshipping yourself.

To expand on the question of docility, I honestly can't understand where you got that from. I am not saying you should sit at home and play video gays. I am saying that you shouldn't preoccupy your mind with low iq animalistic drives such as sex and hate (for foid, Chad, whatever). You should dedicate this energy to your version of a better humanity. Do you see us transcending our current retarded state through science? Go into STEM. Through religion? Become a holy man. Through political change? Chose your tools. I don't care, I am saying that indulging and dwelling in hate porn and self-loathing has never led anyone to anything successful. Always focusing on sex and Chads only leads to the aforementioned state.
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So become a docile cuck because “ muh high IQ”
see my reply to beyond repair
 
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Slav_Cell said:
Never did I say anything about being docile, but lets address what you say point by point.

Prostitution is just a shitty way to cope with your animalistic desire while avoiding your responsibility to transcend it. History gives us countless examples of complete celibacy (together with instructions) which led to enormous success.

A return to social conservatism isn't possible for two reasons. First of all, any and all conservatism is fucking mental retardation because it is self-destructive. It doesn't have a concrete ideology, instead it just cuckserves whatever is in place. That way a conservative in 1910 lynches blacks and a conservative in 2018 doesn't mind gay marriage. Secondly, a return to anything is never possible because it is our nature to progress, you will never be able to maintain one system in place, especially as technology advances.

I am not American and I don't understand your weird obsession with some irrelevant political foid, she'll be gone in four years and nobody will care. You're borderline foid worshipping yourself.

To expand on the question of docility, I honestly can't understand where you got that from. I am not saying you should sit at home and play video gays. I am saying that you shouldn't preoccupy your mind with low iq animalistic drives such as sex and hate (for foid, Chad, whatever). You should dedicate this energy to your version of a better humanity. Do you see us transcending our current retarded state through science? Go into STEM. Through religion? Become a holy man. Through political change? Chose your tools. I don't care, I am saying that indulging and dwelling in hate porn and self-loathing has never led anyone to anything successful. Always focusing on sex and Chads only leads to the aforementioned state.

see my reply to beyond repair

Shorter Slav_Cell: "Become okay with being incel and female erotic capital no longer being distributed equitability among males. Don't agitate for social conservatism to redistribute FEC through monogamous norms. Also, don't advocate for FEC to be redistributed through tolerated prostitution. Just become a monk, bro."
 
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Whitepilled again :whitepill:
 
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beyond repair said:
Shorter Slav_Cell: "Become okay with being incel and female erotic capital no longer being distributed equitability among males. Don't agitate for social conservatism to redistribute FEC through monogamous norms. Also, don't advocate for FEC to be redistributed through tolerated prostitution. Just become a monk, bro."
whatever bro you just want to strawmen, unpleasant to discuss anything with you.
 
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whatever bro you just want to strawmen, unpleasant to discuss anything with you.

Not a strawman. I do agree, what you say could be a --personal-- solution. It isn't a collective solution.
 
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Everything i read hear is cope but a very bad one
 
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I agree but truly taking the :whitepill: is in recognizing that the ressentiment is maintaining the worldview that was imposed upon all that gives rise to the sexual anarchism inherent in liberal markets, in this case the liberal sexual market. The ressentiment comes from wanting to indulge in the fruits available in such a sexual market, but being unable to afford their price. We must take a hard look at ourselves and see if these desires are truly what we want.

The price of these sexual desires that are only afforded to Chad is precisely what prices us out the market. Our own desires (and these desires exist in all men) are what girders the foundations for this sexual market to exist.

The desire and the liberal sexual market (anarchism) are a package deal. A Faustian Bargain.

Confronting the fact that our desire to benefit from this system requires that this system which has made us incels to exist.
 
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I agree but truly taking the :whitepill: is in recognizing that the ressentiment is maintaining the worldview that was imposed upon all that gives rise to the sexual anarchism inherent in liberal markets, in this case the liberal sexual market. The ressentiment comes from wanting to indulge in the fruits available in such a sexual market, but being unable to afford their price. We must take a hard look at ourselves and see if these desires are truly what we want.

The price of these sexual desires that are only afforded to Chad is precisely what prices us out the market. Our own desires (and these desires exist in all men) are what girders the foundations for this sexual market to exist.

The desire and the liberal sexual market (anarchism) are a package deal. A Faustian Bargain.

Confronting the fact that our desire to benefit from this system requires that this system which has made us incels to exist.
Definitely, the desire for sex = the desire to maintain the system.
 
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Slav_Cell said:
So the opinion I am going to voice in this thread may sound a bit blue pilled :bluepill: but bear with me, read it to the end, think about it, then you can shit on me.

I’ve recently read :feelsstudy: Dostoevsky’s “Notes from the Underground” which is essentially about a spiteful, chronically over-thinking, escortcel. The story is a commentary on Nietzsche’s concept of Ressentiment, which is what this post is about. To summarize briefly, Ressentiment arises from an inferiority-complex in the face of an object that causes one to feel frustrated in some way. In order to cope with this, the person makes up a moral system in which the superior object is vilified and the inferior (himself) is thus declared good. The following metaphor from Nietzsche himself explains it well:

The problem with the other origin of the “good,” of the good man, as the person of ressentiment has thought it out for himself, demands some conclusion. It is not surprising that the lambs should bear a grudge against the great birds of prey, but that is no reason for blaming the great birds of prey for taking the little lambs. And when the lambs say among themselves, "These birds of prey are evil, and he who least resembles a bird of prey, who is rather its opposite, a lamb,—should he not be good?" then there is nothing to carp with in this ideal's establishment, though the birds of prey may regard it a little mockingly, and maybe say to themselves, "We bear no grudge against them, these good lambs, we even love them: nothing is tastier than a tender lamb."

When I read this, I clearly saw parallels with the Incel-Chad dynamic. Essentially, the black pill teaches us about lookism, hypergamy, and all other shit and it shows us why Chad is basically superior (at least reproductively so) and we’re doomed to be inferior. Many of us take this further to the extent that Chads and women are vilified for acting out their superiority over us. We, in turn, are essentially good because we unfairly suffer at the hands of women and Chad. If we stop our analysis at Nietzsche, we can conclude that incels, no matter what they chose to do, view the world in an unhealthy dualistic way which prevents us from breaking out of this cycle and addressing the issue at hand. So am I saying “take a shower bro?” No!

I went on further and read René Girard’s interpretation of the concept which develops it into a proper white pill. What he says briefly is that Ressentiment is the price we pay for rejecting animalistic behavior, turning the other cheek. It is the penultimate step to achieving bliss whereby we free ourselves from nature's dominance.

We look at the current subhuman sexual market which is grounded in nothing but instincts and results in devolution of our society because it selects for violence and stupidity. Then, willfully (shoutout to the volcels) or unwilfully, we reject participating in this clown society, we reject meaningless intra-male competition forced on us by women, we chose to be people and not animals. The price we pay for this noble choice is Ressentiment, because we must witness Chads and women dominate us in every single way as they play the game and we do not. At this stage, there is a high risk of adopting and unhealthy black pill where you meaninglessly vilify women and Chads because you, yourself feel hurt. Do not despair my friends! Don’t dwell in hate. Recognize that we are a crucial step in humanities intellectual evolution. We’re the class of people which rejects excessive, animalistic, competition, in favor of higher goals, a more meaningful life. Don’t focus on not getting pussy, this too shall pass. Recognize your own intellectual importance, instead of dwelling in nihilism and overthinking, use your celibacy to advance a better vision of humanity.

:whitepill::whitepill::whitepill::whitepill::whitepill::whitepill::whitepill:

COPE, yes I’ve said it before you.:feelstastyman::feelstastyman::feelstastyman:
yes however there are a few points to note;

nietzsche's writing is all drenched in the angleof the uber and untermensche, he writes from an angle where he himself believes him not an untermentsche but an ubermensche shitting on lower tier humans, giving them failos all over the place socially morally implying they are deficient to the ubermensche.

Also this ressentement is applied in a very blanket way as if this is a fixed position borne purely out of envy, and that envy is the only driver, the reason i say envy is nietzsche and thus you keep on hammering on about the superiority of chad and stacey compared to the incel.

Then this warped sense of morality where nietzsche predactes incels or untermetsche version of morality on simply them twisting morality in a self interested way to make them by definition good and every chad and stacey bad, with no mention again of the role of chad's behaviour and possible immoral behaviour, eg passive aggression, belittling, bullying, eg ACTUAL MORALLY BAD THINGS.

There is a huge gap where moral judgements based on WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO AND BEHAVE AND INTERACT AND TREAT OTHER PEOPLE dont even feature in the analysis and possible reasons for chad to be bad versus the incel being good.

I propose this, what if due to chads or the ubermensches advantages and social advantage and position and halo, he has more opportunities to be a prick and behave morally BADLY and get away with it, thus increasing the probability that he DOES BAD ACTS COMPARED TO INCELS WHO DONT HAVE THE CHANCE OR OPPORTUNITY OR HALO.

Thus the ressentement incels feel or their depressed state is born mostly out of the fact that they are treated like shit and objectively are shitted on by normans and chads and staceys who act negatively towards them and objectively morally in the kantian, do to others what you would like done to you.

WHERE IN THE FUCK IS THIS ANGLE IN THE WHOLE ARGUEMENT

As opposed to herr derrrrr yeah bro incels enact ressentement and warp their whole morality because they are jealous bro everyone bad them good bro, ITS JUST A SOMEWHAT HIGH IQ VERSION OF REDDIT GASLIGHTING

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what are you even talking about.
we barely see things through moralistic lenses, your proposal doesn't work.
when we say that we ,,hate" women is because their nature is extremely wicked, depraved and degenerate. this is a factual statement, not an idea of ,,resentment". If everyone hate us too then we should retaliate tenfoldish exacerbated.
 
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what are you even talking about.
we barely see things through moralistic lenses, your proposal doesn't work.
when we say that we ,,hate" women is because their nature is extremely wicked, depraved and degenerate. this is a factual statement, not an idea of ,,resentment". If everyone hate us too then we should retaliate tenfoldish exacerbated.
who do you speak of when you say "we" dont see through moral lenses

that is literally all i see through, i actively remove lenses wherever i can see they exist, this gives far greater clarity and makes you actually able to make deductions based on reality and the underlying mechanism not absolute hocum self interest.

Which by the way every single prediction ever made by not removing this lense of self interest, GIVES ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT RESULTS EVER SINGLE TIME, THEN A NEED TO REVISE HISTORY AND YOURS AND OTHERS MINDS THAT AGAIN YOU GOT THE PREDICTION RIGHT AND THUS THE CYCLE CONTINUES.

SEE EVERY POLITICIAN FOR DETAILS THEY ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND SPEND HALF THEIR CAREERS WHEN THEY HAVE SAID SOMETHING LAST WEEK AND THE DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED THING HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE UTTERLY REFUTING EVERYTHING THEY SAID. THEN SPEND HALF THEIR TIME WITH MEDIA AND IN CHAMBERS SPINNING WHAT THEY SAID LAST WEEK TO TIE IN WITH WHAT HAPPENED THAT REFUTED EVERYTHING THEY SAID.

this is the blackpill itself a pure moral lense whereby you can see the reality versus the spin of self interest and political virtue signalling

also what you are saying makes absolutely no sense

the basis for ressentement is a system to explain lower value males ressentment and morally casting chad and stacey as the bad people and them as the good people.
MY premise is correct because ressentment , does not factor in their behaviour as to whether chads and stacey are objectively good or bad morally compared to lower value males and it muddies the term and implies that incels themselves are morally bankrupt and have skewed morality in their own self interest as opposed to using an objective measurement of morality, eg when someone objectively does a good act it is morally good and a bad act morally bad.

this is the only way in reality to attain truth
 
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Simulacrasimulation said:
who do you speak of when you say "we" dont see through moral lenses

that is literally all i see through, i actively remove lenses wherever i can see they exist, this gives far greater clarity and makes you actually able to make deductions based on reality and the underlying mechanism not absolute hocum self interest.

Which by the way every single prediction ever made by not removing this lense of self interest, GIVES ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT RESULTS EVER SINGLE TIME, THEN A NEED TO REVISE HISTORY AND YOURS AND OTHERS MINDS THAT AGAIN YOU GOT THE PREDICTION RIGHT AND THUS THE CYCLE CONTINUES.

SEE EVERY POLITICIAN FOR DETAILS THEY ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND SPEND HALF THEIR CAREERS WHEN THEY HAVE SAID SOMETHING LAST WEEK AND THE DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED THING HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE UTTERLY REFUTING EVERYTHING THEY SAID. THEN SPEND HALF THEIR TIME WITH MEDIA AND IN CHAMBERS SPINNING WHAT THEY SAID LAST WEEK TO TIE IN WITH WHAT HAPPENED THAT REFUTED EVERYTHING THEY SAID.

this is the blackpill itself a pure moral lense whereby you can see the reality versus the spin of self interest and political virtue signalling

this is the only way in reality to attain truth

this is fair too, but in comparison to normies, we use language as descriptive instead of prescriptive, ergo we doesn't necessarily attach the representative of an ,,Angel"s" or ,,Devil's" to things instantly whenever they land in front of our eyes. we just describe them then come to conclusions later.
btw, seeing through moralistic lenses or not doesn't necessarily mean that we don't act this way. normies are hypocritical, inconsistent and duplicitous, but they still see things through moralistic lenses, even if they don't act this way but purely instinctual self-interest.
 
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yes however there are a few points to note;

nietzsche's writing is all drenched in the angleof the uber and untermensche, he writes from an angle where he himself believes him not an untermentsche but an ubermensche shitting on lower tier humans, giving them failos all over the place socially morally implying they are deficient to the ubermensche.

Also this ressentement is applied in a very blanket way as if this is a fixed position borne purely out of envy, and that envy is the only driver, the reason i say envy is nietzsche and thus you keep on hammering on about the superiority of chad and stacey compared to the incel.

Then this warped sense of morality where nietzsche predactes incels or untermetsche version of morality on simply them twisting morality in a self interested way to make them by definition good and every chad and stacey bad, with no mention again of the role of chad's behaviour and possible immoral behaviour, eg passive aggression, belittling, bullying, eg ACTUAL MORALLY BAD THINGS.

There is a huge gap where moral judgements based on WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO AND BEHAVE AND INTERACT AND TREAT OTHER PEOPLE dont even feature in the analysis and possible reasons for chad to be bad versus the incel being good.

I propose this, what if due to chads or the ubermensches advantages and social advantage and position and halo, he has more opportunities to be a prick and behave morally BADLY and get away with it, thus increasing the probability that he DOES BAD ACTS COMPARED TO INCELS WHO DONT HAVE THE CHANCE OR OPPORTUNITY OR HALO.

Thus the ressentement incels feel or their depressed state is born mostly out of the fact that they are treated like shit and objectively are shitted on by normans and chads and staceys who act negatively towards them and objectively morally in the kantian, do to others what you would like done to you.

WHERE IN THE FUCK IS THIS ANGLE IN THE WHOLE ARGUEMENT

As opposed to herr derrrrr yeah bro incels enact ressentement and warp their whole morality because they are jealous bro everyone bad them good bro, ITS JUST A SOMEWHAT HIGH IQ VERSION OF REDDIT GASLIGHTING

WANG
Nietzsche's and especially my point, is that morality system's are generally retarded and a cheap attempt to dress personal dissatisfaction into something objective. From the perspective of animalistic status quo Chad has every reason to treat us like shit. The reason you dislike chad for being a "prick," is most likely (with very few exceptions) because you can't be one yourself—envy. The majority of people on this forum would, if given the chance to become Chad, immediately forget everyone else and start shitting on incels or at the very minimum ignore us. It's like commies, when as soon as they get power they essentially become a weird version of the bourgeoise.

What I am saying is, we have an animalistic status quo. Within this status quo Chad's behavior is logical and justified. Just like within wild nature birds of prey are justified in eating little lambs, being outraged at that is absurd. Thus we need to change the status quo and the animalistic way of behaving. Obsession with Chad and Stacey acting the way they're supposed to give their environment and with pointless moralizing are just a waste of time. By focusing so much on sex we're participating in the same game as Chad and thus continuing its existence, just less effectively. When you reject the game as whole Chads and foids become irrelevant.
 
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OwlGod said:
what are you even talking about.
we barely see things through moralistic lenses, your proposal doesn't work.
when we say that we ,,hate" women is because their nature is extremely wicked, depraved and degenerate. this is a factual statement, not an idea of ,,resentment". If everyone hate us too then we should retaliate tenfoldish exacerbated.
everything you said is a moralistic statement.
 
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everything you said is a moralistic statement.

how? I'm just telling the truth. why wouldn't you retaliate in face of aggression? guess who would tell you through moralistic terms that you SHOULDN'T RETALIATE BECAUSE IT'S A ,,BAD" THING TO DO?
 
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how? I'm just telling the truth. why wouldn't you retaliate in face of aggression? guess who would tell you through moralistic terms that you SHOULDN'T RETALIATE BECAUSE IT'S A ,,BAD" THING TO DO?
"their nature is extremely wicked, depraved and degenerate" in order for this to be true there has be some moralistic standard.
 
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"their nature is extremely wicked, depraved and degenerate" in order for this to be true there has be some moralistic standard.

It's more of disgusting than bad though.
okay yeah you're probably right I'm out.
 
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what are you even talking about.
we barely see things through moralistic lenses, your proposal doesn't work.
when we say that we ,,hate" women is because their nature is extremely wicked, depraved and degenerate. this is a factual statement, not an idea of ,,resentment". If everyone hate us too then we should retaliate tenfoldish exacerbated.

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this is fair too, but in comparison to normies, we use language as descriptive instead of prescriptive, ergo we doesn't necessarily attach the representative of an ,,Angel"s" or ,,Devil's" to things instantly whenever they land in front of our eyes. we just describe them then come to conclusions later.
btw, seeing through moralistic lenses or not doesn't necessarily mean that we don't act this way. normies are hypocritical, inconsistent and duplicitous, but they still see things through moralistic lenses, even if they don't act this way but purely instinctual self-interest.
yes this is the real problem

the norman has the same if not a slightly less developed moral sensibility as the incel or highly attuned blackpill cel, however behaves in total dichotomy to the moral standard in almost every interaction it is a manipulation and subversion of these morals they know to be true.

This i believe is my real problem i have interacting on a long term basis with these normans, I put up a very hard front where when they cross and deviate from this and they act at odds with what they say and act immorally i squash them and lampoon this behaviour calling them fake, lampooning them as a politician and make it plain i just wont trust a word they say in the future.

This goes down like a fucking lead balloon to normies and chad who thrive on manipulation for socialisation, if you shut them down and keep every time you interact with them this hard wall, they just avoid you and thats it.

as an incel this is the only victory you can have i believe otherwise you are at the mercy of the crowd and again morality is utterly bankrupt, so you will get shat on regularly.
 
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yes this is the real problem

the norman has the same if not a slightly less developed moral sensibility as the incel or highly attuned blackpill cel, however behaves in total dichotomy to the moral standard in almost every interaction it is a manipulation and subversion of these morals they know to be true.

This i believe is my real problem i have interacting on a long term basis with these normans, I put up a very hard front where when they cross and deviate from this and they act at odds with what they say and act immorally i squash them and lampoon this behaviour calling them fake, lampooning them as a politician and make it plain i just wont trust a word they say in the future.

This goes down like a fucking lead balloon to normies and chad who thrive on manipulation for socialisation, if you shut them down and keep every time you interact with them this hard wall, they just avoid you and thats it.

as an incel this is the only victory you can have i believe otherwise you are at the mercy of the crowd and again morality is utterly bankrupt, so you will get shat on regularly.

yes, perfectly put. well, my idea pertaining to resentment may be erroneous to project onto all of us (I understand that It's perfectly normal response to how they treat us unfairly, I'm factoring this), however, at least in my case; I do not have resentment for foids because I am rejected or am not participating as a merely sextoy in their degeneracy (It's not necessarily the main driver). If did want that while being rejected and not participating then I'd consider myself as a hypocrite. so In my case at least, I think It's more reasonable to say that I hate their nature moreso than resentment for their actions in relation to me(yself). I also perfectly grasp that their behavior may be consequence of their nature, so, to summarize it all; I'd hate their nature regardless of my physical form. (may be going of the rails regarding contextual sensitivity here).
 
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Bullshit nigga Revenge it's all that matter everything else is a scam, they want us to let them alone with chad, and gigachad because they wanted us dead my nigga you feel me?
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Do not despair my friends! Don’t dwell in hate. Recognize that we are a crucial step in humanities intellectual evolution. We’re the class of people which rejects excessive, animalistic, competition, in favor of higher goals, a more meaningful life. Don’t focus on not getting pussy, this too shall pass. Recognize your own intellectual importance, instead of dwelling in nihilism and overthinking, use your celibacy to advance a better vision of humanity.
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You know that for something to evolve, they must procreate and pass on their gene mutations and adapted traits over many generations, right? We're each the end of a genetic line that will die off when we do. There is no evolution to take place.

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As opposed to herr derrrrr yeah bro incels enact ressentement and warp their whole morality because they are jealous bro everyone bad them good bro, ITS JUST A SOMEWHAT HIGH IQ VERSION OF REDDIT GASLIGHTING
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One can use almost anything as a cope if that really helps him.
As for me, that cope doesn't help me.
 
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:feelskek::feelshaha:

You know that for something to evolve, they must procreate and pass on their gene mutations and adapted traits over many generations, right? We're each the end of a genetic line that will die off when we do. There is no evolution to take place.

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KEK

Very good observation.
Evolution does not necessarily have to take the form of direct descendants. Our extended group, even Chads and foids yes, are in a way also a part of us. Collective action gives birth to us in the form that we are in right now, we can then shape and mold our caste either for the better or for the worse, and those that follow will reap the results

Through a similar mechanism, the majority of enlightenment thinkers (regardless of what you think of them) died childless. Yet their thought impregnated the collective consciousness and right now we live in a reality that they have constructed, with many people essentially adopting their personality and views on the world. All of this without direct descent.
 
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Through a similar mechanism, the majority of enlightenment thinkers (regardless of what you think of them) died childless. Yet their thought impregnated the collective consciousness and right now we live in a reality that they have constructed, with many people essentially adopting their personality and views on the world. All of this without direct descent.
Then just say it this way, brocel.
 
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Nietzsche's and especially my point, is that morality system's are generally retarded and a cheap attempt to dress personal dissatisfaction into something objective. From the perspective of animalistic status quo Chad has every reason to treat us like shit. The reason you dislike chad for being a "prick," is most likely (with very few exceptions) because you can't be one yourself—envy. The majority of people on this forum would, if given the chance to become Chad, immediately forget everyone else and start shitting on incels or at the very minimum ignore us. It's like commies, when as soon as they get power they essentially become a weird version of the bourgeoise.

What I am saying is, we have an animalistic status quo. Within this status quo Chad's behavior is logical and justified. Just like within wild nature birds of prey are justified in eating little lambs, being outraged at that is absurd. Thus we need to change the status quo and the animalistic way of behaving. Obsession with Chad and Stacey acting the way they're supposed to give their environment and with pointless moralizing are just a waste of time. By focusing so much on sex we're participating in the same game as Chad and thus continuing its existence, just less effectively. When you reject the game as whole Chads and foids become irrelevant.

The reason you dislike chad for being a "prick," is most likely (with very few exceptions) because you can't be one yourself—envy

precisely you have tarred all incels with this ammoral herr derr might is right just world afllacy that inferior people MUST BE ENVIOUS of objectively superior humans eg taller more beautiful.

what if an incel has a moral compass that is not defined by his position within the hierarchy, BUT BECAUSE IT IS MORALLY THE CORRECT THING TO DO INA KANTIAN SENSE but lives by this moral compass eg in your herr derr hierarchy i should be shitting on people beneath me. This is utterly repulsive to me AND I NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL DO IT OTHERWISE I AM EASILY AS MUCH IF OT MORE OF A HYPOCRITE AND MORALLY BANKRUPT AS CHAD AND STACEY SHITTING ON ME.

You have again literally put actions into my mouth and body supposing I must if i WAS CHAD BE A DOUCHE AND ACT IN THE MANNER HE DOES, HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW WHAT I WILL OR WONT DO IN A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, THIS IS UTTER INTELLECT WANG UTTERLY FITTING THE ARGUEMENT TO SATISFY THE CONCLUSION YOU HAVE PUT THE CART SO FAR IN FRONT OF THE HORSE THE CART HAS DROPPED OFF THE EQUATER BEFORE THE HORSE HAS MOVED AN INCH.

Ok so if you know what i would and wont do in a given situation can you please tell me what i will have for lunch as you seem to know me better than myself.

how do you know that i am not strictly moral and live by this code, I absolutely hate hypocrits and will not cave in to become one if i was magically chad, this also presuppose im not only morally but intellectually bankrupt, as I would have to literally forget the whole black pill and the damage caused to other people, then behave in the exact way that caused people like me to become incel in the first place.

Its utter tosh

second point again this reveals nietzsches position entirely he vbelived he was above the untermensche he is punching down using his considerably intellect to concoct these byzantine twisting angled toxic arguements that might is right and goes about justifying it with his own twisted moral system which justifies the oppression of the untermesche by the ubermesche purely on their advantages and herr derr might or bigger or more intelligent is better, with utterly no objective kantian morality in sight.

one question IF NIETZSCHE HIMSELF WAS NOT UBER INTELLIGENT EG IN THE UBERMENSCHE CATEGORY WOULD HE STILL HOLD HIS VIEW OF THIS GROUP BEING MORALLY AND LOGICALLY JUSTIFIED IN PUNCHING DOWN ON THE UNTERMENSCHE THAT HE WOULD B A PART OF. WOULD HE STILL TRUMPET HERR DERR MIGHT IS RIGHT AND THAT ANY ARGUEMENT AGAINST IS MUH YOUR JEALOUS AND ENVIOUS BRO, WHICH HE WOULD BE TARRED WITH AS PART OF THE UNTERMESCHE

I THINK NOT BOZO

ESSENTIALLY NIETZSCHE WAS IN THIS SENSE UTTERLY SELF SERVING

READ MORE OF HIM

CRAZY LINES JUSTIFYING PUNCHING DOWN, CRAZY SHOTS AT THE LOWER CLASSES, AS ALMOST DESERVING OF THEIR PLACE AS A PUNCHING BACK

UTTERLY MORALLY CORRUPT UTTERLY DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO

BUT VERY SMART

BUT EVERYONE ALWAYS FALLS INTO THE TRAP

SMART USUALLY EQUALS EVEN MORE CORRUPT THAN NORMAL, EVEN MORE OF A TENDANCY TO MANIPULATE BE DARK TRIAD FUCK PEOPLE OVER
 
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The virgin should gaze upon Chad and feel only hatred for his foe, his competitor is far superior and in contradiction with his conscience must be eliminated, he should say "The Chad which preys so greatly upon the victim called 'woman' is a fellow predotator, one preferred by the hostile world given his success where I have failed."

The Chad should think of the Virgin as the same, a competitor amongst a herd of prey. Chad should say "The Virgin, weak and informidable, is my enemy nonetheless, I shall not spare him nor will I pity him and gift alms to such creatures of inferiority."

It was woman who was the victim for she is the impetus to this competition and the sole motive to its perpetuation she should think, "The Chad is the predator of my preference for I think him to be my savior and my childs savior; The Virgin is my bane and so I shun his advances for he would damn my child too."

You are forgetting that Virgins and Chads are both predators with women being their prey, Chads only bully the weaker Virgin because it expresses their dominance and ensures their success later in life. By your logic, or rather Nietzsches, women should fear Chad and Virgins but given that they are of the same species a hierarchical system takes the place of Ressentiment.

Virgins find themselve beneath even the women they think themselves the superior of, thsu by association Chads think themslevs the superior of both Virgins and Women. Thus women should develop a Ressentiment for Chad right?

They don't though, they identify him as their equal despite what the power dynamic implies. Essentially Woman has become a sheep in wolves fur and thinks herself a wolf among other wolves (Chads and Virgins).

Truthfully, Virgins develop and inferority complex of Chad yet it extend only to the point that he wishes to benefit Chad, to become the beta to the alpha.

Nietzsche himself fits into this category as he reffered his Zarathustra as the Untermensh whose only concern was to build the house of the Ubermensh.

Nietzsche himself died a virgin, he tried to marry Overbeck three times amd she denied his advances each time and eventually married a Chad. Nietzsche was a simp to the idea of a superior man yet he himself was not that man.

I suppose you could call this sort of coping the opposite of Nietzsches 'Ressentiment'.

I call it 'Cossentiment' (need a better name), when a person observes a superior quality of an object that upon contrast with his own qualities he infatuates himself as the heir of that individual object and thinks himself the benefactor if such qualities despite not possessing them.

In Nietzsche's case, he thought himself the succesor of Schopenhaur and sought to mirror his genuis. Later upon, probably because of his explanation of Ressentiment, he developed a keen distrust of Schopenhaurs philosophy, at least the part that mentions the tragic components of life as evidence that life itself os meaningless. And that the greecian tragedy was inferior to modern tradgedy because of this.
 
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The reason you dislike chad for being a "prick," is most likely (with very few exceptions) because you can't be one yourself—envy

precisely you have tarred all incels with this ammoral herr derr might is right just world afllacy that inferior people MUST BE ENVIOUS of objectively superior humans eg taller more beautiful.

what if an incel has a moral compass that is not defined by his position within the hierarchy, BUT BECAUSE IT IS MORALLY THE CORRECT THING TO DO INA KANTIAN SENSE but lives by this moral compass eg in your herr derr hierarchy i should be shitting on people beneath me. This is utterly repulsive to me AND I NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL DO IT OTHERWISE I AM EASILY AS MUCH IF OT MORE OF A HYPOCRITE AND MORALLY BANKRUPT AS CHAD AND STACEY SHITTING ON ME.

You have again literally put actions into my mouth and body supposing I must if i WAS CHAD BE A DOUCHE AND ACT IN THE MANNER HE DOES, HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW WHAT I WILL OR WONT DO IN A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, THIS IS UTTER INTELLECT WANG UTTERLY FITTING THE ARGUEMENT TO SATISFY THE CONCLUSION YOU HAVE PUT THE CART SO FAR IN FRONT OF THE HORSE THE CART HAS DROPPED OFF THE EQUATER BEFORE THE HORSE HAS MOVED AN INCH.

Ok so if you know what i would and wont do in a given situation can you please tell me what i will have for lunch as you seem to know me better than myself.

how do you know that i am not strictly moral and live by this code, I absolutely hate hypocrits and will not cave in to become one if i was magically chad, this also presuppose im not only morally but intellectually bankrupt, as I would have to literally forget the whole black pill and the damage caused to other people, then behave in the exact way that caused people like me to become incel in the first place.

Its utter tosh

second point again this reveals nietzsches position entirely he vbelived he was above the untermensche he is punching down using his considerably intellect to concoct these byzantine twisting angled toxic arguements that might is right and goes about justifying it with his own twisted moral system which justifies the oppression of the untermesche by the ubermesche purely on their advantages and herr derr might or bigger or more intelligent is better, with utterly no objective kantian morality in sight.

one question IF NIETZSCHE HIMSELF WAS NOT UBER INTELLIGENT EG IN THE UBERMENSCHE CATEGORY WOULD HE STILL HOLD HIS VIEW OF THIS GROUP BEING MORALLY AND LOGICALLY JUSTIFIED IN PUNCHING DOWN ON THE UNTERMENSCHE THAT HE WOULD B A PART OF. WOULD HE STILL TRUMPET HERR DERR MIGHT IS RIGHT AND THAT ANY ARGUEMENT AGAINST IS MUH YOUR JEALOUS AND ENVIOUS BRO, WHICH HE WOULD BE TARRED WITH AS PART OF THE UNTERMESCHE

I THINK NOT BOZO

ESSENTIALLY NIETZSCHE WAS IN THIS SENSE UTTERLY SELF SERVING

READ MORE OF HIM

CRAZY LINES JUSTIFYING PUNCHING DOWN, CRAZY SHOTS AT THE LOWER CLASSES, AS ALMOST DESERVING OF THEIR PLACE AS A PUNCHING BACK

UTTERLY MORALLY CORRUPT UTTERLY DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO

BUT VERY SMART

BUT EVERYONE ALWAYS FALLS INTO THE TRAP

SMART USUALLY EQUALS EVEN MORE CORRUPT THAN NORMAL, EVEN MORE OF A TENDANCY TO MANIPULATE BE DARK TRIAD FUCK PEOPLE OVER
First of all, bro please try to read what you write at least once. There is no punctuation, you forget commas and spaces, and it's difficult to comprehend random parts written in Caps lock for no apparent reason. I understand that you're not writing a book but if you expect someone to read such a long comment and respond, have the respect to make it as readable as possible.

I clearly indicated in the initial post that Nietzsche's view in and of itself is not sufficient and is rather blue pilled. However, he outlines a very real issue which I develop further with the ideas of Girard. In the current status quo, might or rather nature does make right, regardless of where on the hierarchy you fall. Repeating the metaphor once again, it is stupid to be angry about birds of prey eating lamb, while lamb themselves engage in the food chain. You can moralize about Chad being bad from a Kantian perspective or whatever, no one gives a shit about Kantian morality. Chad does what his environment and nature tell him. Morality is a stupid made up cope, not even cope, it's a random fantasy.

What I am trying to tell you is: the current animalistic status quo is bad, not because Kant said so or whatever, but because it is harmful to people's mental state and general human progress. Incels and others who withdraw from society are an evolutionary alternative. Instead of focusing on Chad bad, which just leads to raging and crying in your room, you need to accept that this is how it is and get to work on cultivating your own position in nature.

Nobody will ever alter their behavior because of some retarded moral code, in fact people who have the time to think about morality at all are already at the bottom of the hierarchy, even Nietzsche, yes. On the other hand, if the recluse caste becomes an advanced social alternative to animalistic intra-male competition for foids, the latter will naturally die out.

Maybe you personally wouldn't shit on people if you were at the top, but most would be naturally inclined to do so, with varying ability to resist. This is nature, not Kantian morality that an average modern person has never even heard of. Fact is, a lot of people here (NOT ALL, NOT YOU) engage in the same food chain as Chad and are resentful because they're unsuccessful, it a very simple observation. Unless they have the guts to reject the food chain completely, all the morals they come up with are informed by this resentment. Exactly what you criticize Nietzsche for. In his case, he hates people because he perceives them as lower then him in the might makes right dichotomy. In contrast, many (NOT ALL, NOT YOU) people here hate Chad and foids because they feel to be inferior to them in the Chad-Incel dichotomy. If you withdraw from the dualistic view there is no basis for moralizing.
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The virgin should gaze upon Chad and feel only hatred for his foe, his competitor is far superior and in contradiction with his conscience must be eliminated, he should say "The Chad which preys so greatly upon the victim called 'woman' is a fellow predotator, one preferred by the hostile world given his success where I have failed."

The Chad should think of the Virgin as the same, a competitor amongst a herd of prey. Chad should say "The Virgin, weak and informidable, is my enemy nonetheless, I shall not spare him nor will I pity him and gift alms to such creatures of inferiority."

It was woman who was the victim for she is the impetus to this competition and the sole motive to its perpetuation she should think, "The Chad is the predator of my preference for I think him to be my savior and my childs savior; The Virgin is my bane and so I shun his advances for he would damn my child too."

You are forgetting that Virgins and Chads are both predators with women being their prey, Chads only bully the weaker Virgin because it expresses their dominance and ensures their success later in life. By your logic, or rather Nietzsches, women should fear Chad and Virgins but given that they are of the same species a hierarchical system takes the place of Ressentiment.

Virgins find themselve beneath even the women they think themselves the superior of, thsu by association Chads think themslevs the superior of both Virgins and Women. Thus women should develop a Ressentiment for Chad right?

They don't though, they identify him as their equal despite what the power dynamic implies. Essentially Woman has become a sheep in wolves fur and thinks herself a wolf among other wolves (Chads and Virgins).

Truthfully, Virgins develop and inferority complex of Chad yet it extend only to the point that he wishes to benefit Chad, to become the beta to the alpha.

Nietzsche himself fits into this category as he reffered his Zarathustra as the Untermensh whose only concern was to build the house of the Ubermensh.

Nietzsche himself died a virgin, he tried to marry Overbeck three times amd she denied his advances each time and eventually married a Chad. Nietzsche was a simp to the idea of a superior man yet he himself was not that man.

I suppose you could call this sort of coping the opposite of Nietzsches 'Ressentiment'.

I call it 'Cossentiment' (need a better name), when a person observes a superior quality of an object that upon contrast with his own qualities he infatuates himself as the heir of that individual object and thinks himself the benefactor if such qualities despite not possessing them.

In Nietzsche's case, he thought himself the succesor of Schopenhaur and sought to mirror his genuis. Later upon, probably because of his explanation of Ressentiment, he developed a keen distrust of Schopenhaurs philosophy, at least the part that mentions the tragic components of life as evidence that life itself os meaningless. And that the greecian tragedy was inferior to modern tradgedy because of this.
I don't see how by my logic women should fear Chad? Chad is their desired prize, they're not the prey, women can and do act as social predatators and manipulate Chad and normies for their interest.

Women see Virgins as repulsive and a threat, true, because they don't want to be impregnated by worse genetic material. However, they see neither Chad nor Virgins as inferior/superior. This dichotomy is reserved for intra-male competition. Women see men as a tool, good, bad, or dangerous, but not as inferior/superior.

I am saying that both Ressentiment—I hate Chad because he is better therefore I will make up a moral system where I am better— and Cossentiment—Chad is so much better than me that I will cope by elevating him above myself—is retarded. We should just withdraw from intra-male competition and remove the need for power-based morality.
 
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First of all, bro please try to read what you write at least once. There is no punctuation, you forget commas and spaces, and it's difficult to comprehend random parts written in Caps lock for no apparent reason. I understand that you're not writing a book but if you expect someone to read such a long comment and respond, have the respect to make it as readable as possible.

I clearly indicated in the initial post that Nietzsche's view in and of itself is not sufficient and is rather blue pilled. However, he outlines a very real issue which I develop further with the ideas of Girard. In the current status quo, might or rather nature does make right, regardless of where on the hierarchy you fall. Repeating the metaphor once again, it is stupid to be angry about birds of prey eating lamb, while lamb themselves engage in the food chain. You can moralize about Chad being bad from a Kantian perspective or whatever, no one gives a shit about Kantian morality. Chad does what his environment and nature tell him. Morality is a stupid made up cope, not even cope, it's a random fantasy.

What I am trying to tell you is: the current animalistic status quo is bad, not because Kant said so or whatever, but because it is harmful to people's mental state and general human progress. Incels and others who withdraw from society are an evolutionary alternative. Instead of focusing on Chad bad, which just leads to raging and crying in your room, you need to accept that this is how it is and get to work on cultivating your own position in nature.

Nobody will ever alter their behavior because of some retarded moral code, in fact people who have the time to think about morality at all are already at the bottom of the hierarchy, even Nietzsche, yes. On the other hand, if the recluse caste becomes an advanced social alternative to animalistic intra-male competition for foids, the latter will naturally die out.

Maybe you personally wouldn't shit on people if you were at the top, but most would be naturally inclined to do so, with varying ability to resist. This is nature, not Kantian morality that an average modern person has never even heard of. Fact is, a lot of people here (NOT ALL, NOT YOU) engage in the same food chain as Chad and are resentful because they're unsuccessful, it a very simple observation. Unless they have the guts to reject the food chain completely, all the morals they come up with are informed by this resentment. Exactly what you criticize Nietzsche for. In his case, he hates people because he perceives them as lower then him in the might makes right dichotomy. In contrast, many (NOT ALL, NOT YOU) people here hate Chad and foids because they feel to be inferior to them in the Chad-Incel dichotomy. If you withdraw from the dualistic view there is no basis for moralizing.

I don't see how by my logic women should fear Chad? Chad is their desired prize, they're not the prey, women can and do act as social predatators and manipulate Chad and normies for their interest.

Women see Virgins as repulsive and a threat, true, because they don't want to be impregnated by worse genetic material. However, they see neither Chad nor Virgins as inferior/superior. This dichotomy is reserved for intra-male competition. Women see men as a tool, good, bad, or dangerous, but not as inferior/superior.

I am saying that both Ressentiment—I hate Chad because he is better therefore I will make up a moral system where I am better— and Cossentiment—Chad is so much better than me that I will cope by elevating him above myself—is retarded. We should just withdraw from intra-male competition and remove the need for power-based morality.
you have some good points regarding the majority

the majority yes are morally bankrupt and would engage in the behaviour as debase as chad, as there are many sewer users.

HOWEVER THIS ARGUMENT AS I REPEAT AGAIN IS TARRING EVERYONE WITH THE SAME BRUSH THE HERR DERR ALL INCELS ARE WHITE ALL MEN ARE MISOGYNIST AND IS LOW IQ

the problem is what you have written ad also what nietzsche writes and implies DOES NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE HERD AND THE MINORITY IT IS A BLANKET STATEMENT THAT ALL AT THE LOWER LEVEL WILL DO THIS.

There is no distinction made and everyone is tarred with the same brush, WHICH IS FALSE AND MUDDYING AND MISLEADING AT BEST AND GASLIGHTING AT WORST.


AS FOR THIS

no one gives a shit about Kantian morality. Chad does what his environment and nature tell him. Morality is a stupid made up cope, not even cope, it's a random fantasy.

this is such a poor arguement it is tantamount to absolute dogshit logic, if this is the level of your reply to my arguement it is beyond over and you have lost biblically, herr derrr kantian logic doesnt count and is random fantasy, so you sit nietzsche above kant, how, why is his logic worth less than nietzsche, this is utter self serving self interested, cherry picking bollucks.

This is speaking like kant is a mug off the streets that you dismiss, not one of the seminal philosophers of all time, YOUR TALKING UTTER RUBBISH, WHICH COMPLETELY DISMANTLES NEARLY EVERYTHING YOUR ARE IMPLYING AND DISCUSSING BECAUSE THIS VERY LOGIC UNDERPINS YOUR WHOLE PREMISE.

as for this

What I am trying to tell you is: the current animalistic status quo is bad, not because Kant said so or whatever, but because it is harmful to people's mental state and general human progress. Incels and others who withdraw from society are an evolutionary alternative. Instead of focusing on Chad bad, which just leads to raging and crying in your room, you need to accept that this is how it is and get to work on cultivating your own position in nature.

thid logic is so bad that kant would turn over in his grave and pray to the daliah lama.

you state we need to work on cultivating your position in nature and stop crying in your room, bbbbbbbut your position in nature according to you and nietzsche is at the bottom and incels are deserving again according to the just world fallacy and the nonesense morality void concept of might is right the strong should be allowed to dominate the weak without question. so you have created a paradox in your own mind you cultivate your own position which is by your own philosophical position shits on the incels position in nature. Also if you are fully blackpilled there is an element of genetic determinism eg whatever move you make, as an incel you are fucked eg almost everyone's position in society is determined by genetics eg height and face and only a tiny tiny minority, see celebrities and one in millions sports stars escape inceldom due to the their talaent.

so to boil down this tripe

your advice is bro just be a genetic anomaly/ celebrity or sports star bro, accept your position in the hierarchy, bbbbbut try cultivating your own position in nature. Also stop focusing on straw man chad and start working on yourself by becoming an evolutionary alternative bro (which is a completely made up, some might say fantasy concept)

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Simulacrasimulation said:
you have some good points regarding the majority

the majority yes are morally bankrupt and would engage in the behaviour as debase as chad, as there are many sewer users.

HOWEVER THIS ARGUMENT AS I REPEAT AGAIN IS TARRING EVERYONE WITH THE SAME BRUSH THE HERR DERR ALL INCELS ARE WHITE ALL MEN ARE MISOGYNIST AND IS LOW IQ

the problem is what you have written ad also what nietzsche writes and implies DOES NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE HERD AND THE MINORITY IT IS A BLANKET STATEMENT THAT ALL AT THE LOWER LEVEL WILL DO THIS.there is no distinction made and everyone is tarred with the smae brush, WHICH IS FALSE AND MUDDYING AND MISLEADING AT BEST AND GASLIGHTING AT WORST.


AS FOR THIS

no one gives a shit about Kantian morality. Chad does what his environment and nature tell him. Morality is a stupid made up cope, not even cope, it's a random fantasy.

this is such a poor arguement it is tantamount to absolute dogshit logic, if this is the level of your reply to my arguement it is beyond over and you have lost biblically, herr derrr kantian logic doesnt count and is random fantasy, so you sit nietzsche above kant, how, why is his logic worth less than nietzsche, this is utter self serving self interested, cherry picking bollucks.

This is speaking like kant is a mug off the streets that you dismiss, not one of the seminal philosophers of all time, YOUR TALKING UTTER RUBBISH, WHICH COMPLETELY DISMANTLES NEARLY EVERYTHING YOUR ARE IMPLYING AND DISCUSSING BECAUSE THIS VERY LOGIC UNDERPINS YOUR WHOLE PREMISE.
It is basic statistics that minority is irrelevant. If 99% of people do X, you doing Y is irrelevant to the broader argument. Yes this does not feel nice to the individual, sorry.

You have some galactic level of Kantian worship which is beyond simping. First of all, I am not a simp and so the status of ONE OF THE SEMINAL PHILOSOPHERS OF ALL TIME is irrelevant to me. Secondly, I don't put Nietzsche above Kant, he reached many retarded conclusions, but the problem he emphasizes is very real and I recognize this, that's it, nothing else. Thirdly, I dismiss Kant's objective morality because it is not objective. Neither I, nor 99% of the human population give a shit about the mental gymnastics Kant engaged in in his spare time. His 'proof' is only relevant if someone takes time to read it, which makes it useless. In reality, objective morality is determined by your social and physical environment.

For example, most people (not all of course) think that hurting kids is bad. Why? Because kids are the future of our societal group and our own personal future (at least biologically) therefore it is in everyone's best biological interest to conserve them. Thus, people get mad when you hurt children. I would speculate that if we eventually reach a point where we can procreate by science hurting kids will eventually stop being immoral, but I digress. Because Chad sits above incels, who are his competitors btw, for the majority of them (yes not all but please bro, I can't take into account every single person in the world) it is morally reasonable to shit downwards. This is exasperated by the fact that due to his biological superiority, Chad literally struggles to conceive of incels as people. No amount of Kantian mental gymnastics will convince them otherwise. On the other hand, if a certain recluse caste of people completely withdraws from damaging intra-male competition and as a result transcends into a higher, more successful state, all this dynamic will vanish. You won't need to morally convince Chad he is doing bad shit, you can just show him how the anti-competitive alternative is naturally better. Then he will evolve or die.
 
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It is basic statistics that minority is irrelevant. If 99% of people do X, you doing Y is irrelevant to the broader argument. Yes this does not feel nice to the individual, sorry.

You have some galactic level of Kantian worship which is beyond simping. First of all, I am not a simp and so the status of ONE OF THE SEMINAL PHILOSOPHERS OF ALL TIME is irrelevant to me. Secondly, I don't put Nietzsche above Kant, he reached many retarded conclusions, but the problem he emphasizes is very real and I recognize this, that's it, nothing else. Thirdly, I dismiss Kant's objective morality because it is not objective. Neither I, nor 99% of the human population give a shit about the mental gymnastics Kant engaged in in his spare time. His 'proof' is only relevant if someone takes time to read it, which makes it useless. In reality, objective morality is determined by your social and physical environment.

For example, most people (not all of course) think that hurting kids is bad. Why? Because kids are the future of our societal group and our own personal future (at least biologically) therefore it is in everyone's best biological interest to conserve them. Thus, people get mad when you hurt children. I would speculate that if we eventually reach a point where we can procreate by science hurting kids will eventually stop being immoral, but I digress. Because Chad sits above incels, who are his competitors btw, for the majority of them (yes not all but please bro, I can't take into account every single person in the world) it is morally reasonable to shit downwards. This is exasperated by the fact that due to his biological superiority, Chad literally struggles to conceive of incels as people. No amount of Kantian mental gymnastics will convince them otherwise. On the other hand, if a certain recluse caste of people completely withdraws from damaging intra-male competition and as a result transcends into a higher, more successful state, all this dynamic will vanish. You won't need to morally convince Chad he is doing bad shit, you can just show him how the anti-competitive alternative is naturally better. Then he will evolve or die.
this is a good point regarding dispelling the myth of the bullshit ever increasing intra male competition eg males shitting on each other just to win mlady's affection.

i think i can crystallize your point better without mental gymnastics such as

For example, most people (not all of course) think that hurting kids is bad. Why? Because kids are the future of our societal group and our own personal future (at least biologically) therefore it is in everyone's best biological interest to conserve them. Thus, people get mad when you hurt children. I would speculate that if we eventually reach a point where we can procreate by science hurting kids will eventually stop being immoral, but I digress.

which is false on many levels, most people base morality on doing to others what ou would like done to you as a basis of kantian morality, so hurting kids is not bad because of their value in the future to a societal group, hurting kids is bad because objectively it is bad TO HURT ANYONE, and because you would not ike someone to hurt you, so why do you have the right to hurt someone else.

If you base your ethics on what is moral or not based on peoples value to a group or value to society this is some nazi level pseudo intellectual moral relativism crap where all manner of crap can be politically spun, eg jews are the bottom of society and of so low value, so this would excuse the holocaust same with the disabled the slavs etc etc. This again as I KEEP STATING IS A COMPLETE PILE OF HORSESHIT LOGIC AND MORAL BASIS AND OPENS PANDORAS BOX TO ALL MANNER OF EVILS IN THE NAME OF MORALITY.

regarding

n the other hand, if a certain recluse caste of people completely withdraws from damaging intra-male competition and as a result transcends into a higher, more successful state, all this dynamic will vanish. You won't need to morally convince Chad he is doing bad shit, you can just show him how the anti-competitive alternative is naturally better. Then he will evolve or die.

this is high iq and i completely agree

have you noticed how damaging this environment is, where the males literally just jump on each other, preying on any short term gain, any perceived weakness to climb up the greasy social totum pole, particularly if a woman or women are present, they would sell their soul to climb one rung up.
This i have observed completely kills creativity, the free exchange of ideas and new ways of thinking, and creates a stiff rigid stuffy tight environment where expression is totally stifled as to not lose face.

I have since removing myself quite a lot from these environments eg just doing part time roles and completely cutting off from toxic friendship groups where it was literally men shitting on other men one upmanship, with stifling environment, found myself becoming more creative. I am becoming better at my hobbies like programming better able to focus and express my creativity and execute on this element. you are very correct that being exposed to this environment regularly damages our mind.
essentially te whole thread has the logic of this from the ultimate incel move revenge of the nerds

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT0zjorR68A
 
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yep, intra male competition leads to true suffering. only sadistic ppl can fully understand it, and continue to advocate for it.
 
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So the opinion I am going to voice in this thread may sound a bit blue pilled :bluepill: but bear with me, read it to the end, think about it, then you can shit on me.

I’ve recently read :feelsstudy: Dostoevsky’s “Notes from the Underground” which is essentially about a spiteful, chronically over-thinking, escortcel. The story is a commentary on Nietzsche’s concept of Ressentiment, which is what this post is about. To summarize briefly, Ressentiment arises from an inferiority-complex in the face of an object that causes one to feel frustrated in some way. In order to cope with this, the person makes up a moral system in which the superior object is vilified and the inferior (himself) is thus declared good. The following metaphor from Nietzsche himself explains it well:

The problem with the other origin of the “good,” of the good man, as the person of ressentiment has thought it out for himself, demands some conclusion. It is not surprising that the lambs should bear a grudge against the great birds of prey, but that is no reason for blaming the great birds of prey for taking the little lambs. And when the lambs say among themselves, "These birds of prey are evil, and he who least resembles a bird of prey, who is rather its opposite, a lamb,—should he not be good?" then there is nothing to carp with in this ideal's establishment, though the birds of prey may regard it a little mockingly, and maybe say to themselves, "We bear no grudge against them, these good lambs, we even love them: nothing is tastier than a tender lamb."

When I read this, I clearly saw parallels with the Incel-Chad dynamic. Essentially, the black pill teaches us about lookism, hypergamy, and all other shit and it shows us why Chad is basically superior (at least reproductively so) and we’re doomed to be inferior. Many of us take this further to the extent that Chads and women are vilified for acting out their superiority over us. We, in turn, are essentially good because we unfairly suffer at the hands of women and Chad. If we stop our analysis at Nietzsche, we can conclude that incels, no matter what they chose to do, view the world in an unhealthy dualistic way which prevents us from breaking out of this cycle and addressing the issue at hand. So am I saying “take a shower bro?” No!

I went on further and read René Girard’s interpretation of the concept which develops it into a proper white pill. What he says briefly is that Ressentiment is the price we pay for rejecting animalistic behavior, turning the other cheek. It is the penultimate step to achieving bliss whereby we free ourselves from nature's dominance.

We look at the current subhuman sexual market which is grounded in nothing but instincts and results in devolution of our society because it selects for violence and stupidity. Then, willfully (shoutout to the volcels) or unwilfully, we reject participating in this clown society, we reject meaningless intra-male competition forced on us by women, we chose to be people and not animals. The price we pay for this noble choice is Ressentiment, because we must witness Chads and women dominate us in every single way as they play the game and we do not. At this stage, there is a high risk of adopting and unhealthy black pill where you meaninglessly vilify women and Chads because you, yourself feel hurt. Do not despair my friends! Don’t dwell in hate. Recognize that we are a crucial step in humanities intellectual evolution. We’re the class of people which rejects excessive, animalistic, competition, in favor of higher goals, a more meaningful life. Don’t focus on not getting pussy, this too shall pass. Recognize your own intellectual importance, instead of dwelling in nihilism and overthinking, use your celibacy to advance a better vision of humanity.

:whitepill::whitepill::whitepill::whitepill::whitepill::whitepill::whitepill:

COPE, yes I’ve said it before you.:feelstastyman::feelstastyman::feelstastyman:
Agree, by and large. Although I think Girard is more specific than this.
 
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