Amen
The bible is the most blackpilled and the modern church is the most bluepilled. Of course y'all have never read the bible.
Death to Christcucks.
Based christianity is no more, you can only be a based christian yourself and maybe an intrenet community.
The only church that is somewhat based in th Orthodox church, but It as well is starting to get corrupted.
The only church that is somewhat based in th Orthodox church, but It as well is starting to get corrupted.
These zoomers never have a good argument against the bible. It is always christcuck and bluepilled religion. Orthodoxy and Catholicism is the same Mary worshipping garbage with idols of a gay looking Jesus.
Good afternoon, "JesusReturns"
I wanted to deconstruct your argument politely. A lot of people reading this unpersuasive argument may viscerally react and namecall, but I believe in attracting flies with honey and not vinegar, so I'm going to be nice about this and give some counter-arguments.
The Bible is the most studied document in the history of Western Civilization. There is not a document more important and culturally relevant than this document. There are not a lot of books so deeply valued that people will pay out of pocket to send copies of it to you for free; it is so mass-printed you can go on eBay and purchase it for $5. The idea that we aren't familiar with it or don't know what it is, or don't know the main stories or main messages of it, is quite a ridiculous assertion. We are far more likely to be familiar with the Bible than Shakespeare.
The disconnect is that you are equivocating your specific exegesis, or interpretation of the Bible, with the Bible's literal text itself. You, in effect, are succumbing to a sin of pride in claiming to be God's "sole true prophet" who has the only "proper reading" of the Bible, when billions throughout history have read it. Very presumptuous of you.
The chances of you, presumably a 21st century American, who is more than 2 millenia removed culturally and linguistically from the time of Jesus and the Apostles, or the dozens of authors from various time periods who contributed to the Bible, have the correct interpretation of the text is astronomically small.
Do you even know if you have the correct canon of the Bible? Many Church Fathers disagreed with what texts were canonical and which weren't. Most of the Near Eastern Churches, for centuries, refused to recognize the Book of Revelation as canonical. How do you know the post-Nicene Church made the correct determination?
Do you have the correct translation? Something will be inevitably lost in translation regardless of it, and I doubt you read the Hebrew Masoretic Old Testament in Hebrew or read the New Testament in Greek. What about the Greek Septuagint, which is likely the version the Apostles used (as they were connected to the Greek Alexandrian Jews and the citations match almost perfectly, unlike the Hebrew text we have)? What about the Latin Vulgate, a translation of an older Hebrew that doesn't line up with the original Hebrew?
That's not to mention the countless amounts of Near Eastern pagan cultural references that are incorporated in the Bible. Not even Jesus Himself explicitly recognized the connection between Jonah and the Fish and the personification of primordial chaos / the underworld that is the fish, in the form of Leviathan, or Lotan / Tiamat / Dagon. Chances are the people of Ninevah actually worshiped a variant of this deity, which is why it's subordinated to God in the Book of Jonah, to give a message to the Ninevites about the predominance of El over the pagan deities. But not even Jesus Christ himself recognized that.
If Jesus himself doesn't recognize the totality of the Bible in his cultural context, what makes you so sure you do?
Centuries of Christians have studied the Bible and NONE of them came to the conclusion of the Blackpill. The Blackpill required centuries of evolutionary research and behavioral science to figure out, really, and while the Bible contains a slight misogyny, but this misogyny is understood to be a product of the "fallen world" (after all, God only makes the woman subordinate after they are exiled from Eden, and then Jesus raises women up from their meekly state with people like Mary Magdalene), and almost all Christians in history in reading this text interpret it in such a way that women are basically on the same level as men spiritually, we all have that divine spark, completely at odds with the blackpill which exposes the female's deceptive nature.
The Bible is responsible for the egalitarianism which influenced the idea of feminism; after all, if men and women were both children of God with that divine spark, it's absurd we would have social restrictions on women and not men for seemingly no reason.
A very literal reading of Jesus and the Apostles, at its face level, is really bluepilled.
You are juxtaposing a post-evolutionary, social-darwinistic theory of the Bible onto it and claiming that's what the Bible says, when 99% of the people who read the Bible in history would disagree with you.
And appeal to the text you are trying to justify does not work. Why should we believe you that the Catholics and Orthodox worship idols, and furthermore, what makes that idol worship wrong?
"Because the Bible says so"
No, you're interpretation of the Bible says so, and you have not established why you're interpretation is the correct one.
I wanted to deconstruct your argument politely. A lot of people reading this unpersuasive argument may viscerally react and namecall, but I believe in attracting flies with honey and not vinegar, so I'm going to be nice about this and give some counter-arguments.
The Bible is the most studied document in the history of Western Civilization. There is not a document more important and culturally relevant than this document. There are not a lot of books so deeply valued that people will pay out of pocket to send copies of it to you for free; it is so mass-printed you can go on eBay and purchase it for $5. The idea that we aren't familiar with it or don't know what it is, or don't know the main stories or main messages of it, is quite a ridiculous assertion. We are far more likely to be familiar with the Bible than Shakespeare.
The disconnect is that you are equivocating your specific exegesis, or interpretation of the Bible, with the Bible's literal text itself. You, in effect, are succumbing to a sin of pride in claiming to be God's "sole true prophet" who has the only "proper reading" of the Bible, when billions throughout history have read it. Very presumptuous of you.
The chances of you, presumably a 21st century American, who is more than 2 millenia removed culturally and linguistically from the time of Jesus and the Apostles, or the dozens of authors from various time periods who contributed to the Bible, have the correct interpretation of the text is astronomically small.
Do you even know if you have the correct canon of the Bible? Many Church Fathers disagreed with what texts were canonical and which weren't. Most of the Near Eastern Churches, for centuries, refused to recognize the Book of Revelation as canonical. How do you know the post-Nicene Church made the correct determination?
Do you have the correct translation? Something will be inevitably lost in translation regardless of it, and I doubt you read the Hebrew Masoretic Old Testament in Hebrew or read the New Testament in Greek. What about the Greek Septuagint, which is likely the version the Apostles used (as they were connected to the Greek Alexandrian Jews and the citations match almost perfectly, unlike the Hebrew text we have)? What about the Latin Vulgate, a translation of an older Hebrew that doesn't line up with the original Hebrew?
That's not to mention the countless amounts of Near Eastern pagan cultural references that are incorporated in the Bible. Not even Jesus Himself explicitly recognized the connection between Jonah and the Fish and the personification of primordial chaos / the underworld that is the fish, in the form of Leviathan, or Lotan / Tiamat / Dagon. Chances are the people of Ninevah actually worshiped a variant of this deity, which is why it's subordinated to God in the Book of Jonah, to give a message to the Ninevites about the predominance of El over the pagan deities. But not even Jesus Christ himself recognized that.
If Jesus himself doesn't recognize the totality of the Bible in his cultural context, what makes you so sure you do?
Centuries of Christians have studied the Bible and NONE of them came to the conclusion of the Blackpill. The Blackpill required centuries of evolutionary research and behavioral science to figure out, really, and while the Bible contains a slight misogyny, but this misogyny is understood to be a product of the "fallen world" (after all, God only makes the woman subordinate after they are exiled from Eden, and then Jesus raises women up from their meekly state with people like Mary Magdalene), and almost all Christians in history in reading this text interpret it in such a way that women are basically on the same level as men spiritually, we all have that divine spark, completely at odds with the blackpill which exposes the female's deceptive nature.
The Bible is responsible for the egalitarianism which influenced the idea of feminism; after all, if men and women were both children of God with that divine spark, it's absurd we would have social restrictions on women and not men for seemingly no reason.
A very literal reading of Jesus and the Apostles, at its face level, is really bluepilled.
You are juxtaposing a post-evolutionary, social-darwinistic theory of the Bible onto it and claiming that's what the Bible says, when 99% of the people who read the Bible in history would disagree with you.
And appeal to the text you are trying to justify does not work. Why should we believe you that the Catholics and Orthodox worship idols, and furthermore, what makes that idol worship wrong?
"Because the Bible says so"
No, you're interpretation of the Bible says so, and you have not established why you're interpretation is the correct one.
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Also, I'll say most mainstream religions are incredibly bluepilled, and this includes Far Eastern religions too. The Buddha and Hinduism are very blue-pilled, while they may have some form of internalized misogyny as a hint of the woman's truer nature (as does Judaism and Christianity), most are very naive about the values of feminity and womanhood.
The only places that are really honest about the feminine, really, are more Chthonic / demonic / Left Hand path religions, and this includes more pre-civilizational shaministic forms of religion.
The personification of the dark forces of Mother Earth - nay, the cosmic womb - is the woman who will show you true love and be honest about who she is.
She's the Queen Sheba who will drop the act of aristocratic royalty and reveal the cloven hoof she hides under her skirt. And you have to respect a woman who is honest. The Prostitute was always called "The Honest Woman" for a reason; she's lost her shame and dignity already, so she will tell you how it is.
The only places that are really honest about the feminine, really, are more Chthonic / demonic / Left Hand path religions, and this includes more pre-civilizational shaministic forms of religion.
The personification of the dark forces of Mother Earth - nay, the cosmic womb - is the woman who will show you true love and be honest about who she is.
She's the Queen Sheba who will drop the act of aristocratic royalty and reveal the cloven hoof she hides under her skirt. And you have to respect a woman who is honest. The Prostitute was always called "The Honest Woman" for a reason; she's lost her shame and dignity already, so she will tell you how it is.
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Also, I'll say most mainstream religions are incredibly bluepilled, and this includes Far Eastern religions too. The Buddha and Hinduism are very blue-pilled, while they may have some form of internalized misogyny as a hint of the woman's truer nature (as does Judaism and Christianity), most are very naive about the values of feminity and womanhood.
The only places that are really honest about the feminine, really, are more Chthonic / demonic / Left Hand path religions, and this includes more pre-civilizational shaministic forms of religion.
The personification of the dark forces of Mother Earth - nay, the cosmic womb - is the woman who will show you true love and be honest about who she is.
She's the Queen Sheba who will drop the act of aristocratic royalty and reveal the cloven hoof she hides under her skirt. And you have to respect a woman who is honest. The Prostitute was always called "The Honest Woman" for a reason; she's lost her shame and dignity already, so she will tell you how it is.
I appreciate the reply on your first post but i'm too lazy to respond fully. By the way i didn't make the video but thought it was inoffensive enough to post and seemed quite basic. My interpretation of the bible is correct because I have the right spirit and I cannot prove this without going through a series of philosophical steps and even then I couldn't prove it to someone else anymore than i can prove that i have good intentions to someone else.
Your definition of blackpilled isn't my definition. It basically means a couple things:
1. beauty matters a lot .
2. Nothing in this world is worth caring about
3. No matter how hard you try you will never be happy in this world.
When it comes to women, men are to be the leaders generally speaking. Oh and Eve was created as a helper to Adam from the very beginning. The idea that the bible isn't blackpilled is just insane given how many scriptures there are about the world being evil and revelation speaking of our last days being like Sodom.
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Just trust hooker demons bro
Wives are honest and vulnerable with husbands they love and sleep with.
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Thank you for the polite reply.
First, everyone who believes in the Bible believes they have the correct interpretation of the Bible, or they have humility to recognize they are trying their best to understand the Bible. That doesn't mean they actually have the correct interpretation of the Bible.
How do we know that you aren't a Simon Magus who has demons whispering into your ears?
Second, when we use the term "Blackpill", we refer to the majority of the ideology about lookism and woman's hypergamous / polygamous sexual nature, both of which are very lacking from the Bible.
Admittedly, there are slight hints of it in the Old Testament, including the harems of various Jewish kings, and the way in which the delights of life are venerated- beautiful women, conquest, abundance, lands of milk and honey, etc. However, coming upon the Prophetic period / the Post Babylonian-Exile period, these things are very explicitly vilified, and Christianity is the climax of that vilification. Suddenly these once "good things" are now "spiritual metaphors" about some "higher good" after death, which can be obtained by literally hating and identifying with Satan these "good things" that God himself says are good.
I mean dude, there's a whole book of the Bible dedicated to how amazing romantic sex is in the Bible in marriage (keep in mind, people got married in their teens at the time of this book). The "Song of Solomon" or "Canticle of Canticles" as the Catholics used to call it. The Christian vilification of sex which came about due to Jesus and resentment is ridiculous; suddenly you have these Church Fathers who believed Adam and Eve were meant to reproduce asexually and that sex is a consequence of the fall, even though we have a Holy Spirit inspired text about it being one of the highest expressions of love and a gift from God. It's absurd.
But none of that is blackpilled, it's much in line with traditional Indo-European ideas of the deified noble class, where those of higher social standing were seen as closer to the gods; the Jews were no different; and that hedonism was playfully venerated as a side-effect of the temptations of power that came with that higher social standing. It certainly was no commentary about the woman's hypergamous nature or lookism.
In fact, the Bible goes out of its way to warn people about the falsity of lookism and the vanity of it. But it's what determines all of our behavior.
Third, the "Blackpill" does not mean "the world is evil" or that we are in "revelation". The Blackpill simply states that harsh, objective reality as it is. It doesn't make any claims about what one ought or ought not to do, or how one ought to view the world, it just says it how it is.
The idea of "revelation" or "this world is so evil" is a purely Christian prescription, which, as I've pointed above, is in strict contradiction to the message of the Early Old Testament.
I actually really like the Early Old Testament and its stories, and I do like some of the Prophetic Imagery. But ressentment over being destined by fate to be a have-not is no way to live. Neither is having power fantasies about being the only guy in the universe to be working on behalf of the big guy upstairs.
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I will also say the real secret of Christianity is the Hypostatic Union - God having the fullness of human nature.
One thing that is abundantly clear with the Hypostatic Union is that God is a human being, and he has all of its fallen attributes - sin exempted, of course.
One of those is preferences and favorites. Christ, being a human, has every right to have people he likes and people he doesn't like.
If you are an incel, chances are you aren't one of the guys he likes. Some guy is destined to be a good looking guy, have a period of hookups with hot women in college, and then find a sweet girl whom he raises a family with, becomes religious in his older age, and goes to Heaven with his family. What of you? Posting on Incels.is as a celibate unwanted virgin? Rambling about how evil women are and how men are? How you secretly have God on your side?
Trust me, he's chuckling at your nonsense, as any down to earth human being would.
This is found throughout the Old Testament. For no reason, God really likes Abel over Cain, and people in the Bible debate why. But it's clear that he just had that preference. Even though Cain tried really hard to please God, at the end of the day, God just liked Abel more. And that jealously led him to kill his brother.
Same with Oman and Solomon. Oman ejaculates outside of a woman once, and God smites him. Meanwhile God tolerates King Solomon having a harem of 500 wives. What the living fuck dude.
See, the reality is God has moral lessons, but one of the realities of being human is you can't force someone to love you. And you have to come to terms with your fate, that God has chosen a lot for you to serve as a stepping stone, a footstool. You are the Jester that is served as the mocking point by God's children, to teach his beloved what not to do. And meanwhile, God's royal children will make merriment, enjoy their gift of life, have sex and have beautiful children. And it will be sweet. And you won't. That's just the reality.
You aren't truly blackpilled then dude. If you can't pull women as a teen, you will never have a functional trustworthy marriage, because you will always question a woman's motivations. After all, no woman loved you till this point, what makes you think that a woman will love you now? Even if she did genuinely love you (which, she likely doesn't, she probably just wants security with a guy who won't cheat on her, and wants some level of social status of having a sweet boyfriend).
One thing that is abundantly clear with the Hypostatic Union is that God is a human being, and he has all of its fallen attributes - sin exempted, of course.
One of those is preferences and favorites. Christ, being a human, has every right to have people he likes and people he doesn't like.
If you are an incel, chances are you aren't one of the guys he likes. Some guy is destined to be a good looking guy, have a period of hookups with hot women in college, and then find a sweet girl whom he raises a family with, becomes religious in his older age, and goes to Heaven with his family. What of you? Posting on Incels.is as a celibate unwanted virgin? Rambling about how evil women are and how men are? How you secretly have God on your side?
Trust me, he's chuckling at your nonsense, as any down to earth human being would.
This is found throughout the Old Testament. For no reason, God really likes Abel over Cain, and people in the Bible debate why. But it's clear that he just had that preference. Even though Cain tried really hard to please God, at the end of the day, God just liked Abel more. And that jealously led him to kill his brother.
Same with Oman and Solomon. Oman ejaculates outside of a woman once, and God smites him. Meanwhile God tolerates King Solomon having a harem of 500 wives. What the living fuck dude.
See, the reality is God has moral lessons, but one of the realities of being human is you can't force someone to love you. And you have to come to terms with your fate, that God has chosen a lot for you to serve as a stepping stone, a footstool. You are the Jester that is served as the mocking point by God's children, to teach his beloved what not to do. And meanwhile, God's royal children will make merriment, enjoy their gift of life, have sex and have beautiful children. And it will be sweet. And you won't. That's just the reality.
You aren't truly blackpilled then dude. If you can't pull women as a teen, you will never have a functional trustworthy marriage, because you will always question a woman's motivations. After all, no woman loved you till this point, what makes you think that a woman will love you now? Even if she did genuinely love you (which, she likely doesn't, she probably just wants security with a guy who won't cheat on her, and wants some level of social status of having a sweet boyfriend).
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I am gonna ban myself from this forum shortly because I really hate technology . Even telephones are too soy for me. And the back and forth just kinda kills time like nothing else. Basically, you make a lot of assumptions about my level of narcissism.
1.I am not resentful about my suffering. I am glad it is happening, which is not to say that I physically enjoy it.
"Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you encounter trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance"
2. Having power fantasies about being the only one to be working for God? Obviously I never said that. As we get further towards the end, the bible does talk about a falling away.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
If the old testament is mean to foreshadow things to come though...
And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.
30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
33 And the Lord went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.
. Even telephones are too soy for me. And the back and forth just kinda kills time like nothing else. Basically, you make a lot of assumptions about my level of narcissism. 1.I am not resentful about my suffering. I am glad it is happening, which is not to say that I physically enjoy it.
"Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you encounter trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance"
2. Having power fantasies about being the only one to be working for God? Obviously I never said that. As we get further towards the end, the bible does talk about a falling away.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
If the old testament is mean to foreshadow things to come though...
And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.
30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
33 And the Lord went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.
Dnw
I never said narcissism. It's just pride, something I've certainly fallen to. I've been through it dude, it's my greatest sin, even more than lust.I am gonna ban myself from this forum shortly because I really hate technology
1.I am not resentful about my suffering. I am glad it is happening, which is not to say that I physically enjoy it.
"Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you encounter trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance"
2. Having power fantasies about being the only one to be working for God? Obviously I never said that. As we get further towards the end, the bible does talk about a falling away.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
If the old testament is mean to foreshadow things to come though...
And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
28 Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.
30 And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
33 And the Lord went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.
It's a purely natural thing, to create a mental barrier from the harsh realities of the world as a substandard person. After all, you ask the questions at a young age "why am I going through suffering for literally no reason", "why do I feel like a rat that's being electrocuted in random intervals all of a sudden for no reason", it's very easy, for the protection of your own mental sanity, to create delusions of grandeur in various ways. Maybe you'll be something some day, maybe all of this is for a reason, maybe God is inflicting this harsh suffering on me in a way that pays off to me personally.
Especially when you have a very underdeveloped mind who is not able to process everything, and are bombarded by people surrounding you who are experiencing the highest joy life has to offer
People as teens are getting all these new-fangled feelings of discomfort and the desire to release themselves sexually; as a normal teen, you get to release those physical and emotional longings with a cute girl whom you love who is just as lost as you are; experiencing young, naive, youthful innocence, you're confused about all the mysteries of life, but experiencing that release and cuddling with her, making her smile, makes it alright.
And you are being denied that, and in addition to being denied that, every adult around you gaslights you about it. They all know the truth, they just don't want to hurt you further, so they lie to you, and fill your mind with naive optimism.
At a certain point of growing up, you have to get rid of that barrier and let your justified feelings of hurt flow dude. It's okay.
We live in a world where people get their faces burned off at a young age and live with that permanent deformity. Some people get raped as a kid and it scars them. Some people have heroin abusing parents who die in their teens.
There is no justice inherent in the world except what people make for it, and you were unfortunate to be born at a time when people genuinely don't care or try.
You have a bad lot. Just accept it.
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See everything you just wrote is an ad hominem fallacy. If suffering creates delusions whereas one is unable to reason logically then you just invalidated all of your own reasoning.
It’s not. It’s an objective fact that you are a virgin incel on this site.
It’s not ad-hominem to use evidence to question a person’s motivations. Lawyers do it in court all the time when they are trying to figure out whether a guy murdered a person.
I’m also speaking from personal experience. I went through a Christian “Jesus loves me, all of this suffering is for a reason” phase. I had the approval from most of my teachers and parents who saw me as a good kid, I had high dreams as a kid, maybe I’ll be a politician one day and this suffering will lead to great things, maybe Jesus chose me to make me his greatest saint.
It all collapsed by my early 20s when I realized that I was being socially left behind and I was reaching a point where my mentors, teachers, and parents began to revile me as an “other”, they viewed me as a weirdo who didn’t bloom properly, and all my peers were in long term relationships or married and often exiled me because of my single status. I had three very close friends at that time period (the most I’ve ever had) who all abandoned me because their girlfriends / wives didn’t want me a part of their life, they all thought I was weird.
I remember sitting on a porch with my best friend I’ve ever had - a man I genuinely loved and looked up to - and his girlfriend. She was flirting with him and he was teasing back, and it was the happiest I’ve ever felt in my life, seeing my close friend happy. I didn’t even care I wasn’t experiencing it. I was just happy someone I cared about was.
The very next day she made it clear she thought I was a weirdo and didn’t like me. And from that point on, that close friend cut me off. Didn’t even invite me to his wedding.
Life’s not fair, get over it.
God has his favorites. I’m not it, neither are you.
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If suffering creates delusions whereas one is unable to reason logically then you just invalidated all of your own reasoning.
That’s not my argument. I am using your own specific, personal experiences as a possible motivation of the reason why you are religious, because in analyzing my own circumstances, I came to a similar conclusion.
Most normies who go through life normally aren’t religious when looking at the empirical evidence, because they are usually satisfied with the friends and lovers they have around them.
The fact that you are religious in light of the empirical world today likely means you have ulterior motivations, and I’m questioning the possibility of your suffering being that motivation, simply because, anecdotally, it was mine.
I may be totally wrong, but I’m allowed to use the evidence before me to question your motivations.
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Also, you’re the one who veered off this conversation. This discussion was about Christianity being blackpilled, and me explaining “lol, no it’s not”, which you even admitted by conceding your definition of blackpill is different than every other persons definition of blackpill, and me deconstructing your own “ad-hominem” when you insulted the intelligence of people calling you “Christcuck” and calling Catholics “Mary idol worshippers” because “they didn’t read the Bible” (a ridiculous argument)
My motivations are not directly related to the validity of Christianity. A lawyer relies on motivations when they don't have any better evidence.
Of course if i lived in a perfected world i wouldn't have the motivation to seek a better one. That doesn't prove or disprove the existence of such a future state of the world.
From wikipedia: The "black pill" generally refers to a set of commonly held beliefs in incel communities, which include biological determinism, fatalism, and defeatism for unattractive people.
The bible is fatalistic and defeatist:
“And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
There are also many quotes regarding physical beauty and ugliness in the bible.
I never said the bible was only blackpilled. My only point is that the bible is totally blackpilled when it comes to our hope in this world (that's almost self evident unless you believe that technology can make one immortal). The bible has truths from every pill in it because every pill has merit, including blue, red, and white.
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