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On this forum, like any other forum or community, there are progressive agents of judaism present in order to dissuade white incels (and incels in general) from the far right. Weather that be Fascism (Which doesn't have to be race based hint hint ethnics reading), White/Racial nationalism, or any other collection of far right beliefs. In this thread I will be debunking the ones I've seen. "This isn't inceldom dicussion" it is, because similar race/political threads have been made, and this is going to be a launching point into another thread about why all incels should join the bulwark against progressivism and why all incels should have far right leanings. Think of this thread as a launching platform and as a prologue to a bigger thread. With all that said, I advise you even if you disagree with my viewpoints to read the thread because your arguments could be here.
Argument #1: "Your race/your women/your people don't like you"
This argument comes from a place of (I think) literal translation but its false, and its insane how far this argument has gone being false. Collectivist ideologies do not agree with ALL of the collective. Communists in a communist society will disagree with some workers, same with fascism. Nationalists (regular) do not like the progressives in the collective. Just because I want an ethnostate doesn't mean I want everyone from my race in my ethnostate and everyone in my race will agree with my ethnostate. Which is why white nationalism (or any racial nationalism) is literally anti 95% of the white (or of any races) population. It is not suppose to be a blanket on all whites, just the white nationalism whites.
The reason its called white nationalism isn't because white nationalists agree with every white person in existence, but because they want a nation of just whites. If their rules involve the genocide of 99.9% of white people in existence but the .1% all live in the collective and can still be an ethnostate then they are still white nationalist. You can apply this to any racial nationalism btw. Most whites hate me and any far right person yes, but they are not white nationalists or far right, and any far right ideology involves a purging of the "most whites" (progressives).
Argument #2: "Society hates you! Why are you on their side?"
Again, this is an argument taken from a literal translation and is more for regular nationalists but I'll still debunk it and its pretty much for the same reasons argument #1 is false. Just because you are a nationalist doesn't mean you like the current society. You do like the concept of your nation but not the way its heading or has headed. Most nationalists are actually insurrectionary because they understand their nation (heritage and values) are being eroded. being a nationalist simply means you like the concept of your nation and its foundation. French nationalists longing to go back to the politics and social attitudes of the french revolution for example, or American nationalists wanting to go back to a "golden age" like the 50's. I don't think I need to explain why I hate society but I can guarantee you it is the furthest from right wing you can get as of currently.
Argument #3: "You are simping for Aryan women/Women/you're a tradcuck/something about women."
Unlike the last 2 arguments I don't really know where this one came from, my guess is that this was astroturfed to the further right after the whole conservative tradthot lauren southern problem. I should say that most far right (note: NOT regular right i.e conservatives or nationalists) see women as stupid and they want to repeal women's rights (see white sharia). Although there are a few fascistic or far right groups that are cucks for women, they are not all and not even a majority. The "tradthot" problem is not far right but is more align with conservatism and nationalism and regular right wing politics. This is why a majority of right wing organizations are entirely men.
Argument #4: "Well if (facists/whitenationalists/nazis/etc.) cared about you, they would throw foids your way!"
This assumes that they are in power when they are not. It should not be a surprise to you that the Nazi party of America, with 5,000 members, cannot give its members foids to fuck. That's because it's a small 5,000 member group (90-95-99% male) and not the nation. When they do get into power this argument can be used, but it will not need to be used as these ideologies when they get into power will distribute women as per their manifesto points.
Argument #5: Eugenicism. "Well you're subhuman/you support eugenics/nazis are eugenicists etc."
This argument comes from historical revisionism and a grouping of the far right. The nazis were not really eugenic, I mean one look at their cabinet will tell you that. They were against the mentally disabled though, and so am I (Not against, but I do think those who are literally incapable of motor function and who are vegetated/brain dead should be given a peaceful death because they're practically not alive in the first place and its the right thing to do). Even if the nazis were insanely eugenicist and really did want only blonde hair blue eye 6'7 giants and they killed everyone else, that still doesn't take away non nazi far right groups. I mean even fascism in its form doesn't advocate for eugenics, and neither does certain sects of national socialism. It definitely doesn't come near white nationalism either. You are conflating the nazis to mean every single hyper right wing group, something liberals frequently do.
And with that last sentence I will actually leave off on this. All of these arguments are to an extent astroturfed by progressives, especially arguments 1 and 5, and it's kind of weird to see something that I expect to see on buzzfeed or vice be argued about on here. It really does make you think...What else on this forum could have a progressive or liberal origin? You're not ready for that, but I can tell you that there's more progressive and liberal influence here than you like to think.
If you're wondering why "politics is cope" isn't here, I will be making a seperate thread talking about how politics isn't a cope and how we all should be bulwarks against progressivism.
Any other arguments I am free to answer for and debunk, although knowing the people here many of you will look at the title and type something already covered in the thread. @ting people I've seen using these arguments and other farrightcels to confirm
@Selinity @Diocel @Mogged Loner @Angry_runt @MountainGorilla @ElliotRodgerGod @ElliotRodgerHere
Argument #1: "Your race/your women/your people don't like you"
This argument comes from a place of (I think) literal translation but its false, and its insane how far this argument has gone being false. Collectivist ideologies do not agree with ALL of the collective. Communists in a communist society will disagree with some workers, same with fascism. Nationalists (regular) do not like the progressives in the collective. Just because I want an ethnostate doesn't mean I want everyone from my race in my ethnostate and everyone in my race will agree with my ethnostate. Which is why white nationalism (or any racial nationalism) is literally anti 95% of the white (or of any races) population. It is not suppose to be a blanket on all whites, just the white nationalism whites.
The reason its called white nationalism isn't because white nationalists agree with every white person in existence, but because they want a nation of just whites. If their rules involve the genocide of 99.9% of white people in existence but the .1% all live in the collective and can still be an ethnostate then they are still white nationalist. You can apply this to any racial nationalism btw. Most whites hate me and any far right person yes, but they are not white nationalists or far right, and any far right ideology involves a purging of the "most whites" (progressives).
Argument #2: "Society hates you! Why are you on their side?"
Again, this is an argument taken from a literal translation and is more for regular nationalists but I'll still debunk it and its pretty much for the same reasons argument #1 is false. Just because you are a nationalist doesn't mean you like the current society. You do like the concept of your nation but not the way its heading or has headed. Most nationalists are actually insurrectionary because they understand their nation (heritage and values) are being eroded. being a nationalist simply means you like the concept of your nation and its foundation. French nationalists longing to go back to the politics and social attitudes of the french revolution for example, or American nationalists wanting to go back to a "golden age" like the 50's. I don't think I need to explain why I hate society but I can guarantee you it is the furthest from right wing you can get as of currently.
Argument #3: "You are simping for Aryan women/Women/you're a tradcuck/something about women."
Unlike the last 2 arguments I don't really know where this one came from, my guess is that this was astroturfed to the further right after the whole conservative tradthot lauren southern problem. I should say that most far right (note: NOT regular right i.e conservatives or nationalists) see women as stupid and they want to repeal women's rights (see white sharia). Although there are a few fascistic or far right groups that are cucks for women, they are not all and not even a majority. The "tradthot" problem is not far right but is more align with conservatism and nationalism and regular right wing politics. This is why a majority of right wing organizations are entirely men.
Argument #4: "Well if (facists/whitenationalists/nazis/etc.) cared about you, they would throw foids your way!"
This assumes that they are in power when they are not. It should not be a surprise to you that the Nazi party of America, with 5,000 members, cannot give its members foids to fuck. That's because it's a small 5,000 member group (90-95-99% male) and not the nation. When they do get into power this argument can be used, but it will not need to be used as these ideologies when they get into power will distribute women as per their manifesto points.
Argument #5: Eugenicism. "Well you're subhuman/you support eugenics/nazis are eugenicists etc."
This argument comes from historical revisionism and a grouping of the far right. The nazis were not really eugenic, I mean one look at their cabinet will tell you that. They were against the mentally disabled though, and so am I (Not against, but I do think those who are literally incapable of motor function and who are vegetated/brain dead should be given a peaceful death because they're practically not alive in the first place and its the right thing to do). Even if the nazis were insanely eugenicist and really did want only blonde hair blue eye 6'7 giants and they killed everyone else, that still doesn't take away non nazi far right groups. I mean even fascism in its form doesn't advocate for eugenics, and neither does certain sects of national socialism. It definitely doesn't come near white nationalism either. You are conflating the nazis to mean every single hyper right wing group, something liberals frequently do.
And with that last sentence I will actually leave off on this. All of these arguments are to an extent astroturfed by progressives, especially arguments 1 and 5, and it's kind of weird to see something that I expect to see on buzzfeed or vice be argued about on here. It really does make you think...What else on this forum could have a progressive or liberal origin? You're not ready for that, but I can tell you that there's more progressive and liberal influence here than you like to think.
If you're wondering why "politics is cope" isn't here, I will be making a seperate thread talking about how politics isn't a cope and how we all should be bulwarks against progressivism.
Any other arguments I am free to answer for and debunk, although knowing the people here many of you will look at the title and type something already covered in the thread. @ting people I've seen using these arguments and other farrightcels to confirm
@Selinity @Diocel @Mogged Loner @Angry_runt @MountainGorilla @ElliotRodgerGod @ElliotRodgerHere