Discussion At what level does it start getting difficult to attract women?

[Hoppipolla]

I don't think I forgot any, lol

I do have a theory that regardless of the level there's still more challenge for men than for women because we have to approach.

 

[ItsovERfucks]

It has to be at normie level.

 

[Ron.Belgrade]

It has to be at normie level.

voted for normie too

 

[Pancakecel]

It has to be at normie level.

Indeed, it will get bad enough eventually that above average isn't enough though. Though as a sub5 makes no difference to me ig kek. Clown world

 

[AcidTrip]

Obviously normie, anything below that and it’s so ovER

 

[Simba]

It’s difficult if you’re non-NT for the most part.

 

[Ernst22]

it's hard attracting women if you're a low tier normie, it's impossible if you're ugly

 

[Johnhatenigger12]

normies

 

[go2sleep]

It has to be at normie level.

 

[Hoppipolla]

It’s difficult if you’re non-NT for the most part.

I would agree with this yeah.

I think I have a few things that make it difficult for me:

- not NT
- not very good at approaching (I hate rejection)
- health issues

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

HoppiePOLLas me.

 

[Dusk]

Sub7, any higher and women approach you.
From 4-6 where most people are it's a matter of asking foids out with varying levels of success.
Sub4 you're not gonna have much luck I'm afraid.

 

[KeepCoping]

The true blackpilled answer is normies, due to foids high standards.

 

[Wolnir]

Average is the new ugly. You need to stand out from the crowd to attract women.

 

[Hoppipolla]

Sub7, any higher and women approach you.

I'm not convinced that women are brave enough to approach anybody, lol

By and large.

Maybe you get very rare exceptions.

 

[Epedaphic]

Going down on the scale, I think normies (5 or 6/10) begin having to put in large amounts of effort for very little return. Looksmaxxing, “game,” going out often, swiping hundreds of times, professional photos for dating apps, that kind of thing, all for maybe one date a month that has a very low chance of going anywhere. And would never get approached by a woman. This is the looks-level that I think redpill grifters have some success with and use to try to sell their products and services to lower levels. Redpill/pua forums and subreddits probably full of these guys.

HTN puts in less effort for more return and still gets approached by women occasionally.

Chad/CL zero effort, they come to him.

What do you think btw?

 

[Hoppipolla]

Going down on the scale, I think normies (5 or 6/10) begin having to put in large amounts of effort for very little return. Looksmaxxing, “game,” going out often, swiping hundreds of times, professional photos for dating apps, that kind of thing, all for maybe one date a month that has a very low chance of going anywhere. And would never get approached by a woman. This is the looks-level that I think redpill grifters have some success with and use to try to sell their products and services to lower levels. Redpill/pua forums and subreddits probably full of these guys.

HTN puts in less effort for more return and still gets approached by women occasionally.

Chad/CL zero effort, they come to him.

What do you think btw?

One date a month sounds pretty good lol

It takes me years between girls I find that I really click with and then it never actually goes anywhere. And that's IF I'm looking loads.

I kind of thought that was normal until I learned how easy women have it and also how much competition I have so even the tiniest of imperfections can be enough to end up alone.