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Serious At this point, i believe framepill is the deadliest. In many cases , it's even worse than heightpill ( in my experience)

This is something you'll see on IT lmao
Most normie and sub-5 relationships are vastly different from the ones which chads/chadlites experience.
Yeah I've seen these relationships around me too , But I've also observed how one sided these relationships are . Meanwhile the avg relationship experience these chadlites get are far superior
saying normies almost all have ldr is smth you'll see on IT huh? just be grateful you have the potential to get an LDR.

Don't even come at me with that landwhale only shit though man your smv is high enough to get a LTB since ur an MTN with height halo.
 
ok then whatever. You don't need steroids if you don't want to but atleast you could admit that you have a fixable problem. I do to because while my height is avg my frame is the last thing that makes my smv low

Just stop coping and admit that ur problem is fixable unlike others here
 
ok then whatever. You don't need steroids if you don't want to but atleast you could admit that you have a fixable problem. I do to because while my height is avg my frame is the last thing that makes my smv low

Just stop coping and admit that ur problem is fixable unlike others here
Again with that bs , you cannot achieve that "zyzz build" or whatever aesthetic physique you're talking about when you have very narrow clavicles along with a wide waist.
See the second physique on the first slide ? That's the physique you're most likely gonna end up with when you have the genetic base as I have describe
That's why I say no gym for your bones .
If that guy had a much better natural frame ,he would've looked alot better.
A decent base is still required for a good physique at the end of the day.
It's nearly impossible to get the "aesthetic physiques"especially if you were built like a middle schooler to begin with ( extremely narrow clavicles as you mentioned)
 
Again with that bs , you cannot achieve that "zyzz build" or whatever aesthetic physique you're talking about when you have very narrow clavicles along with a wide waist.
See the second physique on the first slide ? That's the physique you're most likely gonna end up with when you have the genetic base as I have describe
That's why I say no gym for your bones .
If that guy had a much better natural frame ,he would've looked alot better.
A decent base is still required for a good physique at the end of the day.
It's nearly impossible to get the "aesthetic physiques"especially if you were built like a middle schooler to begin with ( extremely narrow clavicles as you mentioned)
Didnt u say ur frame looked similar to the one i showed u? I dont look like the guy on that photo at all, i have very narrow waist but wide clavicles/hips

If ur frame is similar to mine then i doubt u have extremely narrow clavicles. also the guy on that photo looks manlet and you are 6 foot
 
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> (184cm) with an MTN face
Why are you not gymmaxxing GraYnigger go on .org you're literally the only person on the forum who can ascend with this kind of advice
 
> (184cm) with an MTN face
Why are you not gymmaxxing GraYnigger go on .org you're literally the only person on the forum who can ascend with this kind of advice
Because rotting is easy and gymmaxxing isnt and zoomers are lazy pieces of shit speaking from experience cuz im a zoomer myself
 
Didnt u say ur frame looked similar to the one i showed u? I dont look like the guy on that photo at all, i have very narrow waist but wide clavicles/hips

If ur frame is similar to mine then i doubt u have extremely narrow clavicles. also the guy on that photo looks manlet and you are 6 foot
Nvm bro , you may be right
Imma just gymcell and stop coping
Have a great day bruv
 
> (184cm) with an MTN face
Why are you not gymmaxxing GraYnigger go on .org you're literally the only person on the forum who can ascend with this kind of advice
On it now , I've considered it
 
Having a narrow frame + skinny is so brutal at any height.
To give you an example, I'm 6ft and a half (184cm) with an MTN face , I have a good height for where i live but it still ain't enough because I'm literally built like a skinny 12 year old despite being 18 , even some foids mog me in terms of frame and most dudes my age easily look bigger than me . 13 year olds think I'm their age which makes me prone to disrespect. I have friends who're 5'6 and 5'5 who don't even hit the gym but are easily bigger than me just cause they have wide frames.

while your a framelet, everyone thinks you're weak and it's not like you're gonna be bullied straightup but you're not gonna be taken seriously either. Even if you're gonna hit 30 , some people will still assume you're a teenager from a glance jfl . I've always observed how "short" dudes with good/wide frames do well in terms of respect from other dudes and can even do good in dating if they have a good face even if they're short ( but it depends on how short) .
For example - I've seen tons of 5'5-5'8 dudes with wide frames never get disrespected and assumed to be "teenagers" , yeah they might be short ,but are atleast seen as grown ass men who just have a short height, meanwhile if you're a framelet, you'll be treated like a teen or even a middle school kid which is humiliating.
Also , at 5'7 5'8 - you can do well with a good face and a good frame (that's what I've observed) . However there's a cap to this , if you're shorter than 5'5 or 5'6 than yeah frame doesn't matter either so it's over for you regardless of a good frame and face .

Another thing I've noticed is that - you'll never be sexually attractive to foids , with a good height and a good face , you'll be seen as attractive and they might treat you decent but you'll never be seen as "fuckable" which I hate . No foid wants to fuck a guy who has a body of a 12 year old who just started puberty .

At this point, I'll gladly be 5'7 with a wide frame .
Seriously,this shit destroys both your dating and social life

Just work out like Arnold did. This is what Arnold looked like before he got into bodybuilding. He was skinny like a lot of dudes I've seen.
arnold-shwarzenegger-mag-rollout-5-092623-a8f4eeafa3ec4c3f816325958d1066c7.jpg
 
My bad if it came up as humble bragging .
My apologies
But i just wanted to tell that having a good height ain't an advantage at all if you don't have the correct frame to back it up . Also being facially mid doesn't do good at all
Thats fine people here are don't like it when new users use cat pfps change it to something else. Trust me, people would appreciate it.
 
Nothing is Enough these days :feelscry:
 
Also you're delusional asf , being just above average height and mid looking facially doesn't get you shit in today's world . At best you'll only get landwhales and will have MTBs and stacys settling for you. You atleast need to be chadlilte/HTN facially to get genuine interest from women. Can't believe I have to explain this shit JFL
Would you rather be a mid 6ft guy or a 5’6 truecel

Actually crazy that your complaining atleast you have some sort of chance in life gurantee your white too so you dont even have to deal with being ethnic like alot of users here do
 
Bullshit.

Are you blind? I clearly fucking said that I'm built like a 12 year old , try imagining that , grown ass man having the body of a skinny 12 year old and let me clarify,for where I live , 6ft ain't a big deal at all . It's more like abover average instead of tall cause in my country tall starts at 6'2+ cause most zoomers around me are easily 5'10-5'11 so being just an inch or two taller than the average man means jackshit .
Just seamaxx or some shit like that then

Niggas always be complaining “ 6ft aint shit where I live its average”

Go somewhere else then
Atleast you even have the potential to do that but your bitch ass will still complain
 
Just work out like Arnold did. This is what Arnold looked like before he got into bodybuilding. He was skinny like a lot of dudes I've seen.
arnold-shwarzenegger-mag-rollout-5-092623-a8f4eeafa3ec4c3f816325958d1066c7.jpg
You can still see he had potential to gain alot of muscle though
 
Just seamaxx or some shit like that then

Niggas always be complaining “ 6ft aint shit where I live its average”

Go somewhere else then
Atleast you even have the potential to do that but your bitch ass will still complain
just ascend with monkeys bro
 
Just wear baggy clothes with bigger shoulders and have brutal hair (like a shaved head or a buzzcut + beard) and everyone will assume you're jacked even if you're a framecel. If it's too warm geomaxx, going out in the summer is a looksmin anyways

Can't fix height like that
 
You can still see he had potential to gain alot of muscle though

How so? He's scrawny just like me. You'll never know how your body will react to body building until you actually start to get into it. You should especially get into it around your puberty years.
 
How so? He's scrawny just like me. You'll never know how your body will react to body building until you actually start to get into it. You should especially get into it around your puberty years.
You can see that he already had somewhat of a level of muscle on his arms even as a kid
 
Having a narrow frame + skinny is so brutal at any height.
To give you an example, I'm 6ft and a half (184cm) with an MTN face , I have a good height for where i live but it still ain't enough because I'm literally built like a skinny 12 year old despite being 18 , even some foids mog me in terms of frame and most dudes my age easily look bigger than me . 13 year olds think I'm their age which makes me prone to disrespect. I have friends who're 5'6 and 5'5 who don't even hit the gym but are easily bigger than me just cause they have wide frames.

while your a framelet, everyone thinks you're weak and it's not like you're gonna be bullied straightup but you're not gonna be taken seriously either. Even if you're gonna hit 30 , some people will still assume you're a teenager from a glance jfl . I've always observed how "short" dudes with good/wide frames do well in terms of respect from other dudes and can even do good in dating if they have a good face even if they're short ( but it depends on how short) .
For example - I've seen tons of 5'5-5'8 dudes with wide frames never get disrespected and assumed to be "teenagers" , yeah they might be short ,but are atleast seen as grown ass men who just have a short height, meanwhile if you're a framelet, you'll be treated like a teen or even a middle school kid which is humiliating.
Also , at 5'7 5'8 - you can do well with a good face and a good frame (that's what I've observed) . However there's a cap to this , if you're shorter than 5'5 or 5'6 than yeah frame doesn't matter either so it's over for you regardless of a good frame and face .

Another thing I've noticed is that - you'll never be sexually attractive to foids , with a good height and a good face , you'll be seen as attractive and they might treat you decent but you'll never be seen as "fuckable" which I hate . No foid wants to fuck a guy who has a body of a 12 year old who just started puberty .

At this point, I'll gladly be 5'7 with a wide frame .
Seriously,this shit destroys both your dating and social life
Back in my day, this kind of thread was ban worthy but I guess the times have changed
 
frame is all that matters, usually correlates to dick size, muscle mass, testosterone etc
 

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