Serious At its core, Incel problem is not a Looks problem

[animucel]

It's a male value problem. Many people tend to forget it. The only reason why looks are so important is due to our society being extremely gynocentric so the only way to get females to love you is to be over 7/10 because any girl that is mere 3/10 will get tons of orbiters and be appreciated more than any but top-tier male ever will. The only real, reliable way to circumvent that is by being handsome.

Might we change society to value men at least as much as women and somehow make it so that demand for men is at least equalized to the demand for women, the incel problem would disappear. But good fucking luck with that. Despite months of trying, I see no real way to solve this outside of complete extremes, such as killing 50%+ of males (in the past, this would occur "naturally" because of wars), getting everyone in society to change their mind about female worth, and other ridiculous ideas.

Most men are seen as disposable trash in society and there's little I can do about it, if anything at all. Even legit organizations such as MRAs (which are like the only organization fighting the male value problem) are ridiculed, laughed at, compared to "evil right-wing nazi child murderer rapists white males" and demonized, despite never showing such behavior.

It's kind of ironic that in a society so severely disadvantaged against men, everyone thinks we live in a patriarchy.

You couldn't even be a mentalcel if the male value problem was solved. It'd be like with girls now, everyone would give you support, there would be guys into "shy, social anxiety, mentally ill girls", there'd be support for you everywhere, family, friends.

Currently people tell you, you need to man up and go out to people.

 

[RageAgainstTDL]

Yeah sure but like you said there's no solution so who cares.

 

[Deleted member 60]

high IQ, men are becoming obsolete in a lot of ways. (e.g. females no longer depend on us for financial security, technology replacing us in the workforce)

 

[Gremlincel]

It is the same for most every species. You can't beat nature. Earth is doomed.

 

[animucel]

It is the same for most every species. You can't beat nature. Earth is doomed.

Civilization is not nature. The only reason things are like they are is because of the female vote.

Ancient greece is a society we should aspire to be again. The women had no value there, they were baby-making machines. Men wanted to have romance and fuck young boys. If they could do it, we can do it. Not necessarily fuck the young boys part. Maybe in a better, more fair way?

 

[Robtical]

Most men are seen as disposable trash in society and there's little I can do about it, if anything at all.

Men need to be blackpilled and stop giving away their free labor. We can equal out the sexual market by giving men tax funded escorts, since femoids get so much free shit from the government themselves.

 

[animucel]

Men need to be blackpilled and stop giving away their free labor. We can equal out the sexual market by giving men tax funded escorts, since femoids get so much free shit from the government themselves.

I agree. The slow, hard way to change this is simply keep raising awareness of this problem. Get more men on our side. Make women (those with heart, anyway) see that we have it pretty damn shitty and them having to do the dishes doesn't even compare to male suffering.

 

[acnescarcel]

just man up bro. the only time you're allowed to cry is when you first lay eyes on the grand canyon.

 

[turtlefyyy]

>any girl that is mere 3/10 will get tons of orbiters and be appreciated more than any but top-tier male ever will

esp if theyre into niche shit like anime or videogames, lmao

 

[TomathonClancy]

Yeah sure but like you said there's no solution so who cares.

 

[Sneepysqar]

Good post. Pussy-worshipping cucks are worse than foids.

 

[SuperPerfectCel]

The fact that feminism doesn't care about gender equality here is telling of it being self-serving bullshit.

 

[Sneepysqar]

Do you believe that we can change society little by little if we slowly add value to men? I think one of the first things that need to be done is to cut off the government benefits they get.

That would help, but I wouldn't call it a little change. Even refusing free birth control creates a shitstorm. Cutting off their benefits in full would require a mass uprising.

 

[ElliotRodgerHere]

Like I've said in other threads, this system must die if we want something better. Women were allowed to gain the upperhand because of the system so we shouldn't rely on the system providing a solution for us. Let it collapse, even accelerate its collapse, so that we can enact a true patriarchy in its ashes

 

[_incelinside]

I was ready to argue before reading but you make a good point. Looks are pretty arbitrary and a paticular rating has different value depending on location and hypergamy so it is a value problem in the end.

 

[Gone Coping]

I agree. The slow, hard way to change this is simply keep raising awareness of this problem. Get more men on our side. Make women (those with heart, anyway) see that we have it pretty damn shitty and them having to do the dishes doesn't even compare to male suffering.

We can't even get all male virgins to agree this is a problem, you expect normie men and even women to understand the problems caused by low status males having no place in society?

 

[animucel]

We can't even get all male virgins to agree this is a problem, you expect normie men and even women to understand the problems caused by low status males having no place in society?

I never said it's going to be easy. It's definitely possible. Perhaps a collapse is the only way, like some other incel said in the thread.
I don't believe it's even feasible for civilization to exist in its current state for a long time. I mean you'll be dealing with 20-30% of males in no time, maybe even a bit more, even today that number is around 20% according to data. I believe this is why we see things such as alt-right, all these school shootings, more and more young men receding from society to become NEETs, marriage delay etc.

It all goes back to the male value problem. A collapse of the system perhaps is necessary for things to change.

 

[TURBO]

Western civilisation ended when men gave women equal rights and voting power, and the final nail in the coffin was giving them access to social media/technology to accelerate it. Its just a rotting process from here.

 

[FeminismsCancer]

Civilization is not nature. The only reason things are like they are is because of the female vote.

Ancient greece is a society we should aspire to be again. The women had no value there, they were baby-making machines. Men wanted to have romance and fuck young boys. If they could do it, we can do it. Not necessarily fuck the young boys part. Maybe in a better, more fair way?

Much better if we could fuck young girls rather than young boys.

 

[kvn]

Like I've said in other threads, this system must die if we want something better. Women were allowed to gain the upperhand because of the system so we shouldn't rely on the system providing a solution for us. Let it collapse, even accelerate its collapse, so that we can enact a true patriarchy in its ashes

i dont see this system collapsing any time soon. Unlike communists, these neomarksist parasite leeches have enough wits to let the host just enough breathing space to not entirely kill it, and the system with it. The only way i can see western civ collapsing is via being outbred by middle easterns but thats still at least 2 generations or 50yrs away.

Whats shitty is that when this shit actually collapses we will be already old frail vulnerable oldcels and at that point even shitty system will be better than collapse for us.

 

[guerillahubris]

high IQ, men are becoming obsolete in a lot of ways. (e.g. females no longer depend on us for financial security, technology replacing us in the workforce)

females dominate education and health sectors that cant be replaced by bots. men are truly fucked

 

[Evildoer]

Yeah sure but like you said there's no solution so who cares.

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It doesn't matter what actual problem is, it still comes to looks=everything.