Blackpill Ascension is a Huge cope

[Middleclasscel]

Title. Ascension is a tool to keep the rope away for many cels. A coping mechanism whose main goal is to keep a faint hope alive, However the truth needs to be heard:
Even if you somehow managed to find a foid to have a relationship with(which will never be your looksmatch). It's not a guarantee you are going to actually have sex, if anything, most you are gonna do is ego boosting some roastie, who will throw you under the bus the moment She lays her eyes on a better looking man. Let's say you actually accomplish sex, no sub5(even sub7 for all that matter) can get in a Long-term relationship, it will last no more then 6/7 months at the best, and before you have the chance to meet another foid, years will pass, and it will get much worse.

 

[VanGobbel]

any incel that "ascends" will either get cheated on or exploited for his money or both. There are no happy endings to ascension for us.

 

[xek000000kk]

It depends on how you define ascension. In my view, reproduction equals ascension, surrogacy is also a surefire and much cheaper option.

 

[TheRotKing]

any incel that "ascends" will either get cheated on or exploited for his money or both. There are no happy endings to ascension for us.

 

[hunter x atomics]

every ascension story i've seen is just someone going through puberty.

 

[Middleclasscel]

It depends on how you define ascension. In my view, reproduction equals ascension, surrogacy is also a surefire and much cheaper option.

I do not have a definition of "Ascension" however most people have interpreted it as either have one time non paid sex with a foid, or getting into a relationship(no matter how short and exploative it is). I do think you are right However. The only real ascension is reproduction, problem is no chance of reproduction for your face and height

 

[Aventador]

Ascension in my book, is to sleep with a virgin gf.

 

[INVERTER]

Most of us probably could "ascend" with a lower status SEA woman (not the westernized or big city ones) but that doesn't really count.

Some people here really do have a crabs in a bucket mentality though where even if someone went to Cambodia and met some girl there they would claim fakecel. The same people who haven't been outside in 6 months and think you're gay if you don't take a dump in other people's food.

Really truecels are people who truly tried in society and still failed. They worked out, got real jobs and made real effort to improve their social ability. Retards slinging shit at people and yelling at mom for more tendies at 30 years old just discredit the former.

I agree with OP. Even if you do find a relationship it will be very low quality and you'll have no leverage. Women have all the leverage over men today so unless you're a chad or high tier normie you'll either be someone's slave or easily replaceable.

 

[SpookySpook]

How can having more options in life be a coping mechanism? If you ascend your looks will open more doors for you. You will have an easier time getting in relationships, getting sex, halo effect and etc. There are so many benefits to ascending, whether that be with money, looks or whatever. Females treating you a certain way that you want isnt the point, the point is that you now have more options than you did when you were less attractive.

 

[Middleclasscel]

How can having more options in life be a coping mechanism? If you ascend your looks will open more doors for you. You will have an easier time getting in relationships, getting sex, halo effect and etc. There are so many benefits to ascending, whether that be with money, looks or whatever. Females treating you a certain way that you want isnt the point, the point is that you now have more options than you did when you were less attractive.

Looksmaxing≠Ascending. Improving your looks and finances when it's possible is good, and I never argued against it. However for most people it won't be enough because their genes are holding them back, even surgery if they can afford it will do no miracle

 

[INVERTER]

How can having more options in life be a coping mechanism? If you ascend your looks will open more doors for you. You will have an easier time getting in relationships, getting sex, halo effect and etc. There are so many benefits to ascending, whether that be with money, looks or whatever. Females treating you a certain way that you want isnt the point, the point is that you now have more options than you did when you were less attractive.

It's a tradeoff. If someone in our tier "ascends" they will have certain advantages like being taken more seriously in the workplace.. being more relatable in general and not being seen as an asocial weirdo. A quiet guy with a wife and kids is still seen as normal. A quiet guy who is single at 30 years old is seen as predatory. Also you're right money is a big one. You'll be much more likely to afford housing with two incomes. Also social proof like you mentioned.

The downside is stuff the OP mentioned. The woman you're dating isn't really attracted to you. Let's say they settle for you and get married. It will become a dead bedroom and the woman will become increasingly irritable and demanding. I've seen it in action. They will have all of the power which means being able to dump you in an instant for someone else because one day they decide they don't like the way you chew your food or the way you laugh gives them "the ick"

 

[Middleclasscel]

It's a tradeoff. If someone in our tier "ascends" they will have certain advantages like being taken more seriously in the workplace.. being more relatable in general and not being seen as an asocial weirdo. A quiet guy with a wife and kids is still seen as normal. A quiet guy who is single at 30 years old is seen as predatory. Also you're right money is a big one. You'll be much more likely to afford housing with two incomes. Also social proof like you mentioned.

The downside is stuff the OP mentioned. The woman you're dating isn't really attracted to you. Let's say they settle for you and get married. It will become a dead bedroom and the woman will become increasingly irritable and demanding. I've seen it in action. They will have all of the power which means being able to dump you in an instant for someone else because one day they decide they don't like the way you chew your food or the way you laugh gives them "the ick"

Spot on. Your quality of life Will definitely improve. If people saw you as "accomplished" in life and work, you will get treated better, however when we talk about dating life, nothing will change, if anything you will only attract women who hit the walls and need to settle. A glorified ooofy-doofy

 

[The Death Devil]

Some people here really do have a crabs in a bucket mentality though where even if someone went to Cambodia and met some girl there they would claim fakecel.

Betabuxxing does not count as 'ascension.'

 

[INVERTER]

Betabuxxing does not count as 'ascension.'

I agree but I bet others here would see it as "betrayal" or some shit

 

[irishforeheadcel]

Most of us probably could "ascend" with a lower status SEA woman (not the westernized or big city ones) but that doesn't really count.

Some people here really do have a crabs in a bucket mentality though where even if someone went to Cambodia and met some girl there they would claim fakecel. The same people who haven't been outside in 6 months and think you're gay if you don't take a dump in other people's food.

Really truecels are people who truly tried in society and still failed. They worked out, got real jobs and made real effort to improve their social ability. Retards slinging shit at people and yelling at mom for more tendies at 30 years old just discredit the former.

I agree with OP. Even if you do find a relationship it will be very low quality and you'll have no leverage. Women have all the leverage over men today so unless you're a chad or high tier normie you'll either be someone's slave or easily replaceable.

I tried gymmaxxing for 3 months thinking it would get me laid. I was delusional foids didn’t look at me then, they dont look at me now.

 

[xek000000kk]

problem is no chance of reproduction for your face and height

Surrogacy eliminates the need to kowtow to the demands of women, and you can also select superior genes for your child. It’s all about money—it’s still much cheaper than having a family.

I agree with you that chads don’t have to put in much effort to have sex and spread their sperm everywhere. However, we aren’t chads; we’re the weak ones; we can’t play the game chads play to win.

In my simplified view, life is just a reproductive game, accumulating power to ensure reproduction and safety for future generations. Every leaders of a power group does this; if it’s wrong, then no one is right.

 

[INVERTER]

I tried gymmaxxing for 3 months thinking it would get me laid. I was delusional foids didn’t look at me then, they dont look at me now.

The gym is the best cope. You should still do it man. I know "doing it for yourself" is cliche and cope but it's still a hobby that gets blood flowing and makes you feel better in general

 

[Middleclasscel]

Surrogacy eliminates the need to kowtow to the demands of women, and you can also select superior genes for your child. It’s all about money—it’s still much cheaper than having a family.

I agree with you that chads don’t have to put in much effort to have sex and spread their sperm everywhere. However, we aren’t chads; we’re the weak ones; we can’t play the game chads play to win.

In my simplified view, life is just a reproductive game, accumulating power to ensure reproduction and safety for future generations. Every leaders of a power group does this; if it’s wrong, then no one is right.

That's a refreshing point of view. I appreciate the fact that You rightfully acknowledge that there is no reason to follow the rule of a game that was rigged from the start.

 

[SpookySpook]

However for most people it won't be enough because their genes are holding them back, even surgery if they can afford it will do no miracle

Agreed, ascension can be going from a subhuman to the average incel. It doesn't mean much when you are going from super hell to hell

It's a tradeoff. If someone in our tier "ascends" they will have certain advantages like being taken more seriously in the workplace.. being more relatable in general and not being seen as an asocial weirdo. A quiet guy with a wife and kids is still seen as normal. A quiet guy who is single at 30 years old is seen as predatory. Also you're right money is a big one. You'll be much more likely to afford housing with two incomes. Also social proof like you mentioned.

The downside is stuff the OP mentioned. The woman you're dating isn't really attracted to you. Let's say they settle for you and get married. It will become a dead bedroom and the woman will become increasingly irritable and demanding. I've seen it in action. They will have all of the power which means being able to dump you in an instant for someone else because one day they decide they don't like the way you chew your food or the way you laugh gives them "the ick"

EVERYTHING has its pros and cons. The majority of men will never have a woman find them physically attractive and ascension won't change that for most. You could try to gain control by becoming her superior in every other way but the void of physical attraction will always be there for her. Theres no such thing as "love", people just agree to stay with someone because they gain something out of it. It can be a multitude of things like money, a biologically desired partner, status or whatever you can think of. With that said, I think looks matter the most but you need to put everything else to use to have control over your partner. You need to make their life immensely better with you than without you

 

[INVERTER]

Agreed, ascension can be going from a subhuman to the average incel. It doesn't mean much when you are going from super hell to hell


EVERYTHING has its pros and cons. The majority of men will never have a woman find them physically attractive and ascension won't change that for most. You could try to gain control by becoming her superior in every other way but the void of physical attraction will always be there for her. Theres no such thing as "love", people just agree to stay with someone because they gain something out of it. It can be a multitude of things like money, a biologically desired partner, status or whatever you can think of. With that said, I think looks matter the most but you need to put everything else to use to have control over your partner. You need to make their life immensely better with you than without you

You're right a majority of men will never have a woman find them physically attractive and have to compensate in all these other ways. I guess if you really need foid approval that bad it's worth it to jester 24/7 and dedicate all of your waking life to one upping everyone around you. For me I'd rather just accept my life as a non-Chad means having to prove that I am worthy of not being sent to a death camp just on looks and vibes and that is all I can ask for or hope for

 

[SpookySpook]

You're right a majority of men will never have a woman find them physically attractive and have to compensate in all these other ways. I guess if you really need foid approval that bad it's worth it to jester 24/7 and dedicate all of your waking life to one upping everyone around you. For me I'd rather just accept my life as a non-Chad means having to prove that I am worthy of not being sent to a death camp just on looks and vibes and that is all I can ask for or hope for

That's just for the ones who want to get girls; getting girls to desire you is a whole other thing. I personally want to have sex but if the girl isn't going to desire me then I would rather not be in a relationship. If a girl wants to use me for reasons independent of me then I rather get a hooker at that point.

 

[parbate2025]

I do not have a definition of "Ascension" however most people have interpreted it as either have one time non paid sex with a foid, or getting into a relationship(no matter how short and exploative it is). I do think you are right However. The only real ascension is reproduction, problem is no chance of reproduction for your face and height

Truthnvke bro.
I know so many incels i met in 2024 who thought they ascended because they got a date and eventually a gf but that "gf" never allowed them to touch or even kiss lol

 

[PhineasSpear]

Agree. Even if you do ascend, the amount of mental anguish, not to mention the idea that all relationships have some sort of condition to it kills the idea of relationships.

It's a tradeoff. If someone in our tier "ascends" they will have certain advantages like being taken more seriously in the workplace.. being more relatable in general and not being seen as an asocial weirdo. A quiet guy with a wife and kids is still seen as normal. A quiet guy who is single at 30 years old is seen as predatory. Also you're right money is a big one. You'll be much more likely to afford housing with two incomes. Also social proof like you mentioned.

The downside is stuff the OP mentioned. The woman you're dating isn't really attracted to you. Let's say they settle for you and get married. It will become a dead bedroom and the woman will become increasingly irritable and demanding. I've seen it in action. They will have all of the power which means being able to dump you in an instant for someone else because one day they decide they don't like the way you chew your food or the way you laugh gives them "the ick"

For the downside you mention, almost all marriages that is the result of settling is almost doomed to failed. There is a theroy called the Cascade Model of Relational Dissolution that explores why marriages breakdown and one of the most predominate reasons is contempt. This is for reference.

• A Negative View on their marriage and their overall happiness together: Gottman found that those in the study who ended up divorcing or having low marital satisfaction thought about landmarks in their marriages as negative. The landmark moments that most people think of with fondness, such as their engagement, wedding, reception, birth of a child, etc., were almost all met with criticism from those in unhappy marriages. These people had trained their brain that their partner had never met their needs, and there had never been happiness in their relationship.

Because most women in settling marriages are forced to compromise and be with the man they usually are unattracted to, it causes the woman to feel contempt for him from day one.

 

[INVERTER]

Agree. Even if you do ascend, the amount of mental anguish, not to mention the idea that all relationships have some sort of condition to it kills the idea of relationships.

For the downside you mention, almost all marriages that is the result of settling is almost doomed to failed. There is a theroy called the Cascade Model of Relational Dissolution that explores why marriages breakdown and one of the most predominate reasons is contempt. This is for reference.

Because most women in settling marriages are forced to compromise and be with the man they usually are unattracted to, it causes the woman to feel contempt for him from day one.

Makes me think - are these guys so retarded that they cannot sense that contempt? Or is "pussy bro" (that they could have achieved with a fleshlight) really worth it?\

That is interesting though - it's always nice when people codify and put into words eloquently what we pick up on an intuitive level but can't articulate

 

[PhineasSpear]

Makes me think - are these guys so retarded that they cannot sense that contempt? Or is "pussy bro" (that they could have achieved with a fleshlight) really worth it?\

That is interesting though - it's always nice when people codify and put into words eloquently what we pick up on an intuitive level but can't articulate

Most likely denial. He is so desperate for love that he is willing to ignore the signs that she hates him. That's why whenever the relationship ends, he's not only sad because she left him but also sad because he realize all of his hard work and effort into the relationship were for nothing.

 

[INVERTER]

Most likely denial. He is so desperate for love that he is willing to ignore the signs that she hates him. That's why whenever the relationship ends, he's not only sad because she left him but also sad because he realize all of his hard work and effort into the relationship were for nothing.

I can't even imagine being this much of a simp. They must have had "Stable upbringings" or raised by single mothers. I thought it was 101 level that you never invest emotionally with any woman regardless of where you are in the tier list.

I guess I'm lucky that my upbringing gave me a first class seat to the clown show and my entire youth proved what I already knew to be true

 

[ParasiteToSociety]

Ascension Is a meme