Serious Are there a lot of incels in Japan? Why? Can someone shed some light on this topic?

[11gaijin]

I have heard stories about Japanese people not willing to date each other etc. Added to that the concept of sex dolls, a post about which was posted recently, makes me curious about what exactly is going on over there? I'm more curious since I lived there for a while and I liked the people overall but I feel that Japanese Incels are very unique and different. Can someone explain how things are in Japan? Is it a result of hypergamy or something else? Thanks!

 

[VisVoi]

Women have rights, that's why.

 

[Deleted member 11015]

Marriage is essentially a contract in Japan, and earning potential is the biggest factor in it. Women will NOT marry someone who does not have a good earning, or future potential. Both parties will cheat in the marriage anyway, and prositituion is a huge industry. Also casual sex for the most part is seen as childish, and not something for adults past 18. So you have to be a successful chad to get anywhere anyway. Rather than join the rat race, which is particularly soul crushing in Japan, men just opt out. Its not worth the effort for pussy when marriage is a contract and based on money anyway.

 

[StormlitAqua]

It's the insane work culture. Japs are the Jews of Asia, and they're always out to exploit their little worker roaches for every hour they can get. The Japs, who do not have an ounce of alpha in them, continue to just accept their fate. Women are wokeing WAY more than 40 hours a week in Japan, and they are not having children. Women should not be in the workforce at all, being a mother is their job.

Women have rights, that's why.

They actually have less there than in the west.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Hypercapitalism is raising the bar for betabuxx like crazy. A lot of people chose to drop out and live of their parents, who had it often easier.

Another reason is the pressure in the work and education enviroment and this whole honor bullshit causing psychological problems.

 

[Summer202]

Also casual sex for the most part is seen as childish, and not something for adults past 18. .

That's the societal perception. But I garantee you men over there want it just as badly or worse than we do. You can't stomp out biological impulses trough conditioning no matter how hard you try.

 

[takERisks]

Marriage is essentially a contract in Japan, and earning potential is the biggest factor in it. Women will NOT marry someone who does not have a good earning, or future potential. Both parties will cheat in the marriage anyway, and prositituion is a huge industry. Also casual sex for the most part is seen as childish, and not something for adults past 18. So you have to be a successful chad to get anywhere anyway. Rather than join the rat race, which is particularly soul crushing in Japan, men just opt out. Its not worth the effort for pussy when marriage is a contract and based on money anyway.

That's just bollocks, if a broke white Chadlite step foot in Japan he would have a flock of 400 gookoids

 

[VisVoi]

They actually have less there than in the west.

That may be true, however the right to work is enough to destroy a society when coupled with the demands that Japanese society has for workers.

That's the societal perception. But I garantee you men over there want it just as badly or worse than we do. You can't stomp out biological impulses trough conditioning no matter how hard you try.

Lots of casual sex still occurs in Japan, it's just that Japanese men cannot compete with larger African/European males.

 

[Deleted member 11015]

That's just bollocks, if a broke white Chadlite step foot in Japan he would have a flock of 400 gookoids

The question was about Japanese specifically though. Also JBW is no way near as strong in Japan, and any chad would have to put a fair bit of effort, and have a basic grasp of Japanese. Japanese men are for the most part emasculated, so Japanese women are only having casual sex with the top top tier.

 

[Grotesque]

It's the insane work culture. Japs are the Jews of Asia, and they're always out to exploit their little worker roaches for every hour they can get. The Japs, who do not have an ounce of alpha in them, continue to just accept their fate. Women are wokeing WAY more than 40 hours a week in Japan, and they are not having children. Women should not be in the workforce at all, being a mother is their job.

This.

Plus, these ""life""styles lead to lots of unhappy kids that have poor/no relationships with their family, which leads to more bullies. Thus, the ugly boys get bullied throughout their formative years and the only ""advice"" they're given by their tired family is to work 80+ hour weeks until you die.

Understandably, more Japanese males decide to drop out from this horrible contract. And many of those that do grind through the drudgery struggle to find a mate because lovely feminism brainwashes females into thinking they want to be 60+ hour week wageslaves with ""careers"" in mostly unnecessary fields.

 

[Deleted member 11015]

That's the societal perception. But I garantee you men over there want it just as badly or worse than we do. You can't stomp out biological impulses trough conditioning no matter how hard you try.

Yeah they are coping hard, but thats what they say. Japanese men are truly emasculated, and its hard to imagine. They do not approach any foid, and they cope harder than anyone here rather than face reality.

 

[takERisks]

This.

Plus, these ""life""styles lead to lots of unhappy kids that have poor/no relationships with their family, which leads to more bullies. Thus, the ugly boys get bullied throughout their formative years and the only ""advice"" they're given by their tired family is to work 80+ hour weeks until you die.

Understandably, more Japanese males decide to drop out from this horrible contract. And many of those that do grind through the drudgery struggle to find a mate because lovely feminism brainwashes females into thinking they want to be 60+ hour week wageslaves with ""careers"" in mostly unnecessary fields.

Sounds like England tbh

 

[Summer202]

Yeah they are coping hard, but thats what they say. Japanese men are truly emasculated, and its hard to imagine. They do not approach any foid, and they cope harder than anyone here rather than face reality.

True. Japan is the weirdest place.

It's beautifull and has a fascinating culture. Yet it's probably the most fucked up country in the world in terms of basic human relationships and it has been for a long time.

 

[Deleted member 11015]

True. Japan is the weirdest place.

It's beautifull and has a fascinating culture. Yet it's probably the most fucked up country in the world in terms of basic human relationships and it has been for a long time.

Yeah its definitely interesting, but the society is messed up. Similar to Korea, they have the biggest hivemind in existence. Being rebellious is not valued at all like it is in the West. If you don't conform you will get no where.

 

[PersonalityChimp]

Read this cuckit post

 

[11gaijin]

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This post explains it perfectly. Thanks a lot for posting this. Looks like Japcels have it even worse.

 

[PersonalityChimp]

This post explains it perfectly. Thanks a lot for posting this. Looks like Japcels have it even worse.

Japan is easily the most incel country on the planet. It never even began for them. At least curries have arranged marriages.

 

[FlyFace]

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Wow.. I hope the men get balls and take on the Government and reinstate the Shogunate in Kyoto. If men are not wage slaving anymore the tax burden on the Government is going to be absolutely tremendous.. push comes to shove.. Tax Burdens rise.. Revolutions form.

 

[IronMike]

I will say that I love Japanese fashion.

The women there dress exceptionally well and modest, and still have not adopted the bullshit lazy ass leggings trend

 

[Zesto]

They're stupid and refuse to date 25+ waifus they bring it on themselves.

A lot of Asian men treat their women poorly as well. This beta Asian guy stereotype is something that applies maybe in the west and to the ignorant.

There is also easy access to prostitution in Asian countries, at least Japan and South Korea so that factors in too.

I really think they're mostly volcels over there. Maybe in China it's different with 34+ million men surplus.

 

[Deleted member 1039]

Why the fuck are japanese men so beta and pathetic?

 

[The End]

I was interested in this too, as I understand it there's not enough good jobs to go around. If you fuck up at all in high school you've basically lost the ability to acquire a well-paying job, which is somehow even more important in Japan than in the USA.

The standards in Japan are so daunting that many men are left by the wayside. Since Japanese guys are taught that they are worthless if they can't cut it as a student and employee, the ones who fail become what they are already labeled as: worthless. They're looked down upon by society, and asian women demand a guy be very wealthy before they'll date/marry them. These guys are lucky if they can get a part time menial job; so their ability to start a family is almost non-existent. Why play a game you can't win?

It's a lot like here in USA, you are defined by your job and the amount of money you have, but unfortunately there are more people than jobs; if you can't cut it in the rat-race there is no place for you.

 

[Existentialcel]

Japan's work culture is a huge factor. Women having children tends to signify the end of their career thus the reluctancy to settle down.

 

[i_a_m_i]

In terms of involuntary celibacy, I don't think it's much different in Japan than in the west.

 

[lonerKiwi16]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori

 

[EthnicelNL]

Lot of dickcels in Japan i guess

 

[Anger]

I wonder if japcels browse this forum.

 

[Mahlo]

Let me elucidate the plight of the average Japcel. If you thought foids in the US/EU were bad, you don't know shit about hypergamy.

40% of JAPANESE MILLENNIALS ARE VIRGINS
Source

This also goes for roughly 40% of the women. Meaning, if the study is true, women would rather be totally celibate then even touch a low status male. But this only scratches the surface of the JapCel plight. The Japanese operate under a pseudo-caste system. It goes like this

Salary Men
Service Workers
NEET/ Hikkimori

Unlike Indian castes, which are based on race/upbringing, these sounds a bit more tolerable. It's not quite that easy. Japanese are under enormous pressure from birth to get into a good college. College graduates are chosen by businesses to become salarymen. If you missed a year, dropped out, or were just plain unlucky - You can totally miss your chance of ascending to the higher echelon of Japanese society. Foids won't fuck with service workers, usually. There is always the opportunity to start your own business and become wealthy that way, but good luck.

Becoming a salaryman is not the end of the race. Whichever business adopts you becomes your second family (or your first, you won't be seeing your family often). Technically, Companies aren't supposed to overwork you, but it happens anyway. You are expected to work over-overtime because your employer owns you. You are beholden to him like a serf is beholden to his fief. They will re-organize your entire life.

Also, you can't quit. Seriously, you can't fucking quit. Quiting brands you as a traitor to your second family. You will drop out of the upper echelons of society into NEEThood or low-grade service worker. I bet you're asking "Why the fuck would anyone put up with working 80 hours a week for meager pay?" The NEET crisis in Japan is the answer to your question.

But it's not all bad. If you work hard enough as a salaryman, your business will actually set you up with a foid! Sometimes..maybe.

Source: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/11/07/doing-business-in-japan/

 

[Subhuman100]

Japan is so fucked up

 

[PleaseKillMeLoseSkin]

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Mein gott it's as if whatever infectious diseases they had spread here.

 

[EthnicelNL]

I wonder if japcels browse this forum.

I doubt it as most japs have a probrem with a engrish

 

[SlayerSlayer]

At least it seems like you COULD betabuxx in Japan. Foids in the states literally don't give a fuck how much you make if you're an ethnicel.

 

[AsiaCel]

I live in a place of East Asia that faces similar problems as Japan.

In general, Japanese MGTOW (grasseaters), and NEET (hikkomori) exists on a large scale is because

-Japan like East Asia valued a traditional family with man going out to work and woman staying home to take care.
This is a worldwide problem as feminism globally take off with women taking jobs and having a 'career' instead of applying to gender roles.

-In Japan, men are not taught to be men but to be working bees (that doesn't sting) and taught to be absolute beta. Working out, gym, steroids are relatively rare and the men are taught to be polite.
Obviously spells problems when women turn from beta mating pattern to alpha.
So in short when women has the resources (supposedly provided by men) they would look for alpha elements, looks, thugism, height, status etc.

-Like in Western Societies, when femoids are now given positions in their 'career', femoids no longer demand resources from their men and switch from a beta mating pattern to a alpha mating pattern, so there's that bluepilling conditioning (if you work for 100 hours a week you will get the girl you want while she gets fucked by yakuza changs)

-As internet is invented, taller white men (that are probably incels themselves if not for noodlewhores) are acknowledgd that east Asia is white worshipping and moves there to fuck the noodlewhores so even reducing the chance of local men.

White men have relatively high SMV due to domination of media, long time to improve their race (Asians were eating sweet potatos until the 1970s, while the white men basically had it good forever)

White worshipping Japan media (remember Japan is a puppet state of USA with American military bases) so local Asians have even less of a chance.

-Long and stressful workings. In Japan and the rest of East Asia, working times is extremely long and stressful. OT (overtime) is very common. japan even have this thing called "work to death" disorder. Japanese people simply have no time for relationships.

French 30 hours work week? Haha, here in Asia, light don't shine.

-Inflation and expensive stuff. In Japan,you work for a low salary as things get more expensive and buying a apartment here is a pipe dream, further reducing the interest in starting a family.

-Having a girlfriend in Japan means you will give her ALL of your earning and she basically give you a little of YOUR money. While she spends it on yoga lessons and other stupid shit. Why would anyone do that?

-Anime and sexdolls. Cope so strong that the Japanese rather have these sexdolls and watch anime than having a actual girlfriend which might not be worth it after all.

-Generally high standards of femoids. Not sure about this one as I don't keep in touch within teenager social circles.

I believe there's more but that's the main points

TLDR: Shit economy, long ass working culture, beta conditioning, the cost to raise a child is unaffordable, femoids control your earnings. Japcels just say fuck it and go MGTOW/NEET.

 

[11gaijin]

They're stupid and refuse to date 25+ waifus they bring it on themselves.

A lot of Asian men treat their women poorly as well. This beta Asian guy stereotype is something that applies maybe in the west and to the ignorant.

There is also easy access to prostitution in Asian countries, at least Japan and South Korea so that factors in too.

I really think they're mostly volcels over there. Maybe in China it's different with 34+ million men surplus.

I think this isn't true. Men won't have such standards, men all over the world are thirsty for pussy. Japanese men are too effeminate and nice to treat them bad. I think, as the other posters said, it is the ultra-hypergamy by Japfoids that causes this.

Why the fuck are japanese men so beta and pathetic?

Not sure

Let me elucidate the plight of the average Japcel. If you thought foids in the US/EU were bad, you don't know shit about hypergamy.

40% of JAPANESE MILLENNIALS ARE VIRGINS
Source

This also goes for roughly 40% of the women. Meaning, if the study is true, women would rather be totally celibate then even touch a low status male. But this only scratches the surface of the JapCel plight. The Japanese operate under a pseudo-caste system. It goes like this

Salary Men
Service Workers
NEET/ Hikkimori

Unlike Indian castes, which are based on race/upbringing, these sounds a bit more tolerable. It's not quite that easy. Japanese are under enormous pressure from birth to get into a good college. College graduates are chosen by businesses to become salarymen. If you missed a year, dropped out, or were just plain unlucky - You can totally miss your chance of ascending to the higher echelon of Japanese society. Foids won't fuck with service workers, usually. There is always the opportunity to start your own business and become wealthy that way, but good luck.

Becoming a salaryman is not the end of the race. Whichever business adopts you becomes your second family (or your first, you won't be seeing your family often). Technically, Companies aren't supposed to overwork you, but it happens anyway. You are expected to work over-overtime because your employer owns you. You are beholden to him like a serf is beholden to his fief. They will re-organize your entire life.

Also, you can't quit. Seriously, you can't fucking quit. Quiting brands you as a traitor to your second family. You will drop out of the upper echelons of society into NEEThood or low-grade service worker. I bet you're asking "Why the fuck would anyone put up with working 80 hours a week for meager pay?" The NEET crisis in Japan is the answer to your question.

But it's not all bad. If you work hard enough as a salaryman, your business will actually set you up with a foid! Sometimes..maybe.

Source: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/11/07/doing-business-in-japan/

good post

I live in a place of East Asia that faces similar problems as Japan.

In general, Japanese MGTOW (grasseaters), and NEET (hikkomori) exists on a large scale is because

-Japan like East Asia valued a traditional family with man going out to work and woman staying home to take care.
This is a worldwide problem as feminism globally take off with women taking jobs and having a 'career' instead of applying to gender roles.

-In Japan, men are not taught to be men but to be working bees (that doesn't sting) and taught to be absolute beta. Working out, gym, steroids are relatively rare and the men are taught to be polite.
Obviously spells problems when women turn from beta mating pattern to alpha.
So in short when women has the resources (supposedly provided by men) they would look for alpha elements, looks, thugism, height, status etc.

-Like in Western Societies, when femoids are now given positions in their 'career', femoids no longer demand resources from their men and switch from a beta mating pattern to a alpha mating pattern, so there's that bluepilling conditioning (if you work for 100 hours a week you will get the girl you want while she gets fucked by yakuza changs)

-As internet is invented, taller white men (that are probably incels themselves if not for noodlewhores) are acknowledgd that east Asia is white worshipping and moves there to fuck the noodlewhores so even reducing the chance of local men.

White men have relatively high SMV due to domination of media, long time to improve their race (Asians were eating sweet potatos until the 1970s, while the white men basically had it good forever)

White worshipping Japan media (remember Japan is a puppet state of USA with American military bases) so local Asians have even less of a chance.

-Long and stressful workings. In Japan and the rest of East Asia, working times is extremely long and stressful. OT (overtime) is very common. japan even have this thing called "work to death" disorder. Japanese people simply have no time for relationships.

French 30 hours work week? Haha, here in Asia, light don't shine.

-Inflation and expensive stuff. In Japan,you work for a low salary as things get more expensive and buying a apartment here is a pipe dream, further reducing the interest in starting a family.

-Having a girlfriend in Japan means you will give her ALL of your earning and she basically give you a little of YOUR money. While she spends it on yoga lessons and other stupid shit. Why would anyone do that?

-Anime and sexdolls. Cope so strong that the Japanese rather have these sexdolls and watch anime than having a actual girlfriend which might not be worth it after all.

-Generally high standards of femoids. Not sure about this one as I don't keep in touch within teenager social circles.

I believe there's more but that's the main points

TLDR: Shit economy, long ass working culture, beta conditioning, the cost to raise a child is unaffordable, femoids control your earnings. Japcels just say fuck it and go MGTOW/NEET.

Very well said. This is how it is it seems.

 

[AsiaCel]

A small point I forgot to add (for some reason the site doesn't allow me to edit my post).

Japan has the highest rate of autism in the world and you know how omega (yeah lower than betas) autistic men are (as a autist myself)
Those autistic men suffers massively socially, in some cases, worse than western societies due to the long working time.
Imagine NT normies getting pressured by the stress so much that they work to death or NEET
For autists it is 10x worse.
Truly a brutal world.