Discussion Are Andrew Tate's fighting skills alpha or beta tier?

[the.oracle]

Honestly, he passes to me as a beta fighter.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwn_LYAotvQ


Even facing shorter and fatter opponents, he can't use his height in his advantage, doesn't hold a good stance or guards his face and chest, and has poor sparring skills. The manlets (mostly the 1st) manhandle him and he doesn't impose himself on them, playing mostly defensive and getting punched in the face several times. In the video it shows how easily his chin was hit (poorly) despite having basically no chin. He would be easily knocked out by a shorter and more skilled fighter than those in the video, or a fighter in his height range with barely average skill level.

Alpha status debunked.

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

Alpha combat sport = wrestling
@Truckzo

 

[Betrayed]

Well, hes a 4x kickboxing champion, you decide for yourself whether hes good at fighting or not

 

[Mecoja]

He is a kickboxer, their guard is different, they have to guard sides from kicks, not only face. Judging by those videos he was mediocre at his best.

 

[the.oracle]

Alpha combat sport = wrestling
@Truckzo

Not true, alpha combat sport is MMA, which is the closest a sport can get to self-defense. you have to know some of every technique

 

[the.oracle]

Well, hes a 4x kickboxing champion, you decide for yourself whether hes good at fighting or not

You can judge by looking at the video
I'm not sure what are those titles, but he's also older in the video (35). anyways that's poor will to fight at least

 

[the.oracle]

He is a kickboxer, their guard is different, they have to guard sides from kicks, not only face. Judging by those videos he was mediocre at his best.

You have to protect your lower and upper sides and also your chest, there's an ideal stance that protects all of those adequately. In many instances he was only guarding his lower sides

 

[Mecoja]

You have to protect your lower and upper sides and also your chest, there's an ideal stance that protects all of those adequately. In many instances he was only guarding his lower sides

He looks too soft in those fights tbh, I would never guess he was 4 times world champion. He is tall for a light-heavy and cruiser so he had the reach advantage.

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

Not true, alpha combat sport is MMA, which is the closest a sport can get to self-defense. you have to know some of every technique

And which combat sport mogs the hardest in MMA?

 

[Baldingegghead]

Well, hes a 4x kickboxing champion, you decide for yourself whether hes good at fighting or not

Unless you're a GLORY champion it doesnt mean much. He is decent at best but would get fucked up by any good kickboxer.

 

[the.oracle]

And which combat sport mogs the hardest in MMA?

Kickboxing for striking
Sambo for grappling, which is an optimal mix of BJJ and wrestling

 

[the.oracle]

For Sambo, see Khabib

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

Kickboxing for striking
Sambo for grappling, which is an optimal mix of BJJ and wrestling

Sambo is wrestling.

For Sambo, see Khabib

Trash. Only fought strikers, outside of RDA. Jon Jones mogs that faggot.

 

[the.oracle]

Sambo is wrestling.

Trash. Only fought strikers, outside of RDA. Jon Jones mogs that faggot.

The optional fighter IMO has to know at least 1 striking technique and 1 grappling technique
But for MMA the most important is to know and be better at a striking technique

 

[the.oracle]

Sambo is wrestling.

Trash. Only fought strikers, outside of RDA. Jon Jones mogs that faggot.

And Jon Jones is 15cm taller than Khabib

 

[HeimatVertrieben]

Whatever, Andrew Tate is a huge scumbag piece of shit, don't even think about him

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

And Jon Jones is 15cm taller than Khabib

And? Doesn’t matter, his resume mogs the fuck out of Khabibs.

Khabib beat RDA and Porier, that’s it. Muh Gaethje and featherweight McConman though

Jones has beaten Rua, Jackson, Machida, DCx2, Belfort, Evans, Gustafsonx2, Santos, and Teixiera

But for MMA the most important is to know and be better at a striking technique

Wrong. The most dominant fighters have a grappling background. This was proven from UFC 1 up to present day.

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

The GOAT

 

[the.oracle]

And? Doesn’t matter, his resume mogs the fuck out of Khabibs.

Khabib beat RDA and Porier, that’s it. Muh Gaethje and featherweight McConman though

Jones has beaten Rua, Jackson, Machida, DCx2, Belfort, Evans, Gustafsonx2, Santos, and Teixiera

Wrong. The most dominant fighters have a grappling background. This was proven from UFC 1 up to present day.

I would agree that Jon Jones is overall superior to Khabib

And can't you read? Where did I say you don't need to have a grappling background? In 2022 every MMA fighter has both striking and grappling backgrounds. But usually the most succesful ones are more skilled as strikers than grapplers. You can't survive MMA only knowing grappling and barely having striking skills.

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

I would agree that Jon Jones is overall superior to Khabib

And can't you read? Where did I say you don't need to have a grappling background? In 2022 every MMA fighter has both striking and grappling backgrounds. But usually the most succesful ones are more skilled as strikers than grapplers. You can't survive MMA only knowing grappling and barely having striking skills.

Other way around. You can’t survive MMA without having good grappling skills. You want me to pull out my UFC and Pride vcrs and show you how much more dominant champs with wrestling backgrounds have been? In the early days it was BJJ, now it’s wrestling. If you didn’t need one skill to succeed in MMA you wouldn’t need striking, or have less than average striking. Superior grappling is a must.

 

[Garbage Life]

People are still talking about him?

 

[erenyeager]

I would agree that Jon Jones is overall superior to Khabib

And can't you read? Where did I say you don't need to have a grappling background? In 2022 every MMA fighter has both striking and grappling backgrounds. But usually the most succesful ones are more skilled as strikers than grapplers. You can't survive MMA only knowing grappling and barely having striking skills.

Of course he is jon Jones is a goddamn Jojo

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Well, hes a 4x kickboxing champion, you decide for yourself whether hes good at fighting or not

 

[BWill]

Honestly, he passes to me as a beta fighter.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwn_LYAotvQ


Even facing shorter and fatter opponents, he can't use his height in his advantage, doesn't hold a good stance or guards his face and chest, and has poor sparring skills. The manlets (mostly the 1st) manhandle him and he doesn't impose himself on them, playing mostly defensive and getting punched in the face several times. In the video it shows how easily his chin was hit (poorly) despite having basically no chin. He would be easily knocked out by a shorter and more skilled fighter than those in the video, or a fighter in his height range with barely average skill level.

Alpha status debunked.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but if Tate is a beta fighter, what does that make the fighters who lost to him?

 

[Sennacherib]

shows how easily his chin was hit (poorly) despite having basically no chin.

That mgtow clown has a subhuman tier chin

 

[Truckzo]

Alpha combat sport = wrestling
@Truckzo

yeah! I'll get that misogynistic asshat in a half nelson on god!