How do you deal with God when you're high IQ and find all the stuff too hard to understand or believe? Especially with hell's existence, and you're own suffering
Makes more sense to me than the evolution + all the 'elite' seems to be believing into it and since they hide most of the stuff from the pleb I assume they know a lot more/better than we do
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The question I ask myself is "do I really want an afterlife to life in eternity with normies"
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I view this existence as just an opportunity to pay off karma so I spiritually advance.
Part of spiritual advancement means detaching from desires of seeking female validation and normie validation.
I see. But I don't get how you can see God as loving when nothing is fair, not even hell. So many incelbros going to hell, even you probably. It seems so unlikely so many things cut the bar sideways
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yeah, that's the paradox that bothers me the most. it's not fair that we suffer this much while the chad enjoys their life and goes to the heaven while we burn in hell
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei0gPoqx_bQ&ab_channel=InspiringPhilosophy
i often recommend this video as it's a good video on the problem of evil.the problem of evil has been adressed a million times by christrian philosophers,theologians,saints etc, so there is an extensive literature on it,but that video is good stuff from what i saw.
those who go to hell,go to hell because they want to. every single human was made for god and made to be with him,and god wants them to be with him because he loves them(christ died a horrible death on the cross just so we could be with him),but god has given man free will and with free will man can cast aside god if he so wishes for. god is always there for man and will always help any man to not sin. man is goodness and truth itself,so it is only expected for one to suffer extremely if he departs from good. if man was made to live,to throw himself from god is to beg for death,as god is life itself. it is true hell is a horrible place,but every single person over there would not have it any other way. it's their will who choose it.
it's true that inceldom is brutal,but inceldom doesn't make saints out of people,so to imagine we are innocent in this play is a meme.i myself thought myself innocent until i thought about my sins and now i can't even look at myself.
also i doubt many chads will end up in heaven,but those who do,will repent and pay for their sins here on earth or in purgatory.the pain of purgatory are the sames as those of hell,but the difference is that they are not eternal(they only last for as long as your punishment warrants it). god is justice itself and not one thing unclean will join god in heaven,so don't think somehow people will go unscathed without justice being paid.
Tbh. It makes no logical sense and why would a loving god make you ugly or with health problems?
Would having a wife prevent the sins of escortceling, masterbation, coping with drugs for lonliness?
If yes then why did you say God is always there to help man not sin? Obviously God is forcing us to sin at least the cels under 60 or so who still have sexual urges.
Religion is manmade to control the masses
Believing in Christ is one of the things I want to do the most but I just can't
why cant u?
was comforted till u mentioned the purgatory bullshit and outed yourself as catholic. Fuck this life man
Everything about the bible screams man made to me
and normies have distorted christianity
i get that notion too sometimes. idk what to doEverything about the bible screams man made to me
i was an atheist who hated christianity before coming to christ,so i think i understand some of your pain.i don't know your personal gripe with catholicism,but i hope you find christ.
i never said escaping sin was easy.christ does help but there is still a battle. if god himself was tortured and nailed to a cross,it seems to me that it isn't much of a stretch if any stretch to say that we can be allowed to suffer greatly.
btw i struggle with my urges a lot,so i know the pain,but to do that which is right isn't always easy.
I think I already have. But at the same time, I get the feeling the whole christianity thing is bullshit. I feel that I believe many contradictory things at once. That is the nature of the bitch isn't it? Existence itself could be considered a paradox of sorts
I don't believe in god but I really like religion and christianity. Im gonna start wearing a cross and going to church sometimes. Sometimes I pray even if I don't belive, faith is one of the best qualities a man can have
time to go ER to earn that sweet seat in hell as Satan's right hand
What's the point in following Christianity if you believe it isn't true? Your faith at that point is not even faith, just utilitarian culturism
you fuckin high on that copium. God is dead for 200 years and you still try to believe in it when all know it is just man's creation. It is just like any other
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I heard the elite were all Satanists.
Didn't you say you were Christian on discord?you fuckin high on that copium. God is dead for 200 years and you still try to believe in it when all know it is just man's creation. It is just like any other
I never said I have faith, but I like christianity and everything it represents
Why? Chrisstianity seems extremely cucked to me, except for some parts. I can't come to terms with the "turn the other cheek" things ever
happy you are back brocel.haven't seen you in a while.a lot of people have quit,so it's stranger not seeing faces that were common once upon a time.
i think you should read about eucharistic miracles and about the miracles that have happened in lourdes. i feel like you are feeling more distant from christ,then you having an issue with the philosophy/theology of christ,and studying miracles helps that more then study.you should study that which you find contradictory though(check my signature.there are plenty of books on apologetics). don't think i ever thought of existence as a paradox.when i was a teen i thought it was strange that i was alive though.life is a strange thing.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq089dbcibs&ab_channel=PintsWithAquinas
I don't know, I just like the idea of being a man of god
I didnt come here for like half a year but i'm back
dude getting crucified on the cross lasts at most a few hours. Jesus was also stabbed ? So he unconcious really fast due to blood loss.
some incels suffer for decades endlessly.
i am not trying to knock christianity, if it gives people strength then more power. But dude there is no pie in the sky coming down to help us. We are fucked. There is no God for our prediciment bro. If you dont believe me pray for help and see if it ever comes. Things might get worse
pretty sure he was awake through the entire thing. also just because something lasts for a few hours doesn't mean it's less painful. that's like saying having a tiny scratch that takes 8 days to fully disappear is much more painful then being tortured by a mexican cartel for 5 hours straight. it is true that our lord suffering is much more painful then it is in paper,since he is god himself and there was nothing broken or wrong with him,so the pain of being betrayed and probably his bodily pain too was much more painful then it is for your regular person.dude getting crucified on the cross lasts at most a few hours. Jesus was also stabbed ? So he unconcious really fast due to blood loss.
some incels suffer for decades endlessly.
i am not trying to knock christianity, if it gives people strength then more power. But dude there is no pie in the sky coming down to help us. We are fucked. There is no God for our prediciment bro. If you dont believe me pray for help and see if it ever comes. Things might get worse
i never said things were going to get easy if you simply prayed.i mean for a lot of people that does work,but for a few it doesn't. unlike normies we don't really gain anything with christ,apart from certainities that normies do care about but are able to keep it off bay decently(the fear of death,if there is purpose in life etc etc). you do gain many more weapons to stay away from sin,but unless you believe that part of christianity doesn't really matter.
unlike normies,there is no cute virtuous wife at the end of the road,or a great rewarding life filled with much happiness. maybe some of us will get out,but there will be many who will suffer like the homeless man that jesus spoke off.normies can dream and they will never really suffer in the ways that we do.for incels all we really have for a guarantee is heaven if we choose christ.apart from that we have nothing.i mean miracles do happen but miracles are few. for incels all that christianity can give us hope. for normies a million doors are opened( a virtuous wife,more connections with other people,many children etc etc etc),but for an incel christianity can only gives us hope.
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Yeah so obviouslyif there is no pie in the sky for us then automaticaly we are going to sin(cope). You like it or not try and supress your urges. It wont work long term and when the pent up energy auto releases you will go on a sinning spree.
Dude I am not knocking faith. Infact I am talking from experience.
So obviously incels will by force sin. The best is to repent and hope in Christ as you say. But there is no way around living a sinful life for incels and God will never help us. Infact he will kick us when we are down.
Prove me wrong and pray and fast and see if anything changes. Infact you will get ur head kicked in. Prove it bra.
Btw blood loss means low oxygen levels which means the body shuts down.
Look on the internet at how they always do everything to keep stabbing victims from falling asleep. Becxause if theat happens the body will shut down. In that state you feel no pain bro. That illusion is cope that missionaries use to describe Jesus when fishing for converts. I dont blame them becoz it is what it is, you do what works at the end of the day.
If the god in religion existed the world wouldn't be so cucked and degenerate. Jfl at putting men in jail for trying to date teen virgins, and fags who support that call themselves religious.
it's true that it's very easy to sin as our hearts have an extreme desire for sin,but your challenge is also pointless. throughout history we have had many men who lead lives of sin(sex,drugs,alcohol,thievery,murder,betrayal) but were able to overcome it through our lord. saint augustine fornicated left and right,but became a celibate bishop when he turned to christ with all his heart.saint mary of egypt was a literal whore, and also had sex for free with many men,yet turned her heart to god and became a celibate hermit. if you don't believe the saints,just go around church and see women who were huge whores and men who were huge degenerates who are now leading a life of decent conduct.
i assume you were christrian or muslim at some point,and i know your points very well.it's very easy to assume god hates us,and it's very hard to understand his silence.Eitherway,god has allowed every man to not sin. if you don't believe in christ promises,then there is nothing that i can say to convince you. i believe in him,so i can believe in his promises with trustworthy hope, but if you don't believe in him then all of his promises are mere words.
i am not a doctor,but i don't see how that matters at the question at hand.what happened,happened.if christ was miraculous maintained or if his natural body was just great, doesn't really matter for this conversation.
@FlamingCel @Billowel are the biggest christian copers on this forum. Good dudes though.
Dude for now stop with the coping of saint so and so whoring and what not.
Just prove what i asked you. Dont tell me about saint who, what and where pie in the sky. For now just prove me right or wrong.
Btw i am not trying to change you from christianity. Remain christian at least you go to heavan at the end.
For now what i am saying is there is no pie in the sky. God dont give a fuck about us. And will even kick us down. If not so then prove otherwise.
i told you about the saints and other people, to show you people that have changed extremely when they came to christ. christ helped them to not sin despite them naturally desiring such pleasures extremely.
if you are asking me to give you proofs of gods love for man,you will have better luck by reading the gospel and seeing gods work through the saints and people then me writing some random stuff in an attempt to convince you. read about lourdes water and the story of how that water came to be.
Bra dont worry about Gospel and what not. I already read them.
I just asked you to prove what you are saying right here and now. Very simple
I grew up in the church so just chill about saint who, what, where, Gospel this and that.
honestly i feel like this conversation is ultimately pointless. god's love is something that is very hard to comprehend,and not in the sense that it's complicated mentally,but that it requires other stuff for it to make sense.many children have understood god's love much better then monk theologian who studies theology as his profession.
god could never hates us,as we were made from him.god is eternally happy and is eternally good,so it's impossible that he hates even one inch of himself,as every inch of him is good.how could someone who loves that which is good,hate something that has that good?he could hate something that surrounds that good(in this case sin),but never the good thing itself(the person in this case.)
you could use arguments like the one above and a million other arguments(if you want prettier and better worded arguments,search for philosophers and theologians and not me),but at the end of the day they don't mean much.if you are asking for gods love you will have better look with reading about the gospel and what our lord has done throughout history(miracles,interventions,etc etc),then any argument on earth.
Bro if christianity makes you happy to be saved and going to heavan then keep doing.
I am not going to now become atheist or curse out God, i slao want the promise of heavan.
All I am saying is there is no pie in the sky coming to take away all our problems and make everybody feel high. This world is fucked, even though I try my best I still end up sinning to cope with this fucked up reality.
People should stop praying for pie in the sky and instead pray for wisdon, pray for understanding, pray for patience. At least with wisdom you can know which business to do and then hire foids to work for you. She will treat you like a king because now you her daddy.
Pray for discipline and wisdom to help lose weight, which is the reason some us are incel. Instead of praying for a wife.
God hates lazy bastards. So praying for pie in the sky without putting in the work and fighting the good fight is pathetic.What was sin number 7 or something called glutany or laziness. Something like that. The other sins were adultry, murder etc etc.
So change prayers and forget about pie in the sky evangelical nonsence. This world is a muthafucka cold ass bitch.
View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Fs8pt-BXerY?&ab_channel=CrazyWorld
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oh this world is hellish,and that is true. also i suppose it's fine for one to pray for a wife ,(for most people that's their vocation) but to let it become an obsession is pointless. one has to pray to become closer to god,not to get some mythical christrian stacy. it's all about allocating resources correctly.
i understand your desire to sin.i still struggle with masturbation,so i know it very well.but we can always come to god even though we have rejected him when we sinned. i hope you become closer to god and for god to show you a way out of your sins.
Bra stop coping as if there is a way out of sin. If it was that easy all of us would be married and not escorting and fapping to porn.
Pray for wisdom, patience, understanding, discernment. God gives people tools to get off their ass and work
God does not answer prayers by giving people stuff on a silver plater. If a person is to lazy to work then just shut up . Sloth(lazy bastards ) is a sin.
Btw masterbation and escortceling wont get you to hell. But laziness will make God punish to non stop.
it's catholic understanding,that god gives everyone a chance to not sin,but whatever.we are incels,we can't even marry but whatever.no idea why you think god wants you to sin,when sinning is an offence agaisn't god. if no man wants his money to be stolen,i don't see why you think god who is infinitely wiser then any men,thinks it's right for someone to steal something from him.
fornication is undoubtedly a sin,but you don't need me to say that. i hope whatever issues you have with christ get resolved brocel.
Bra you said God dont want men to sin. Okay which man under 60 can actually achieve this?
and that is why I said prove it. Start fasting and praying and lets see if pie in the sky appears to make us all feel nice and high.
It aint happening. The best is we are given wisdom and tools to get off our asses work and build a new reality. This we do for the sake and glory of God. Infact this in itself is a w orship to the most high.
In the mean time fuck it bra me I will fuck and fap, drink and smoke. Like what the fuck am I supposed to do otherwise? Anybody who says he can go monk is bullshitting. Those priests end up raping nuns and chuldren for fuck sake.
i never said god would make us feel nice just because we prayed.temptation is pain and all we can do is give that pain to god. yeah it sucks that we have to endure it,but we will be rewarded eventually(i suppose you can get rewarded in this life too but that is rarer i think). also guys over 60 still want companionship. just because you are old doesn't mean you stopped desiring women.
is it hard for one to keep himself from sin? yes. but we will be rewarded handsomely ,so it's not like we are fighting for nothing. i gave you above various people who were able to overcome their temptations with the power of christ(the saints).
sure you might want to continue fornicating and drinking and injuring yourself with drugs and who knows what else,but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.i am tempted everyday by your temptations too,and i sometimes am incredibly afraid of falling,so don't think i am saying this to make myself look great and virtuous.
we incels lead a hard life.
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