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Serious A reason why Incel Christians should be the happiest.

I did but that's not how it works in reality. You don't become "filled" with carnal pleasure and abandon it. You only need to look at the highest-status (AKA best-looking) people in society to understand this. It's an endless pursuit of sex, degeneracy, wealth, pleasure, and so on.

"That's not how it works in reality, allow me to use a small sample of exception to the rule elites to prove what is the norm in reality"

JFL makes perfect sense

Dude you are coping hardcore, the average "God fearing christian" today is someone who has gotten to THOROUGHLY enjoy many years of degeneracy and then they "turn their life around"

You obviously don't talk to normies, a lot of them have "had their fill" and have moved on and are no busy creating "wholesome families", every single Christian and Muslim guy I know at work talked about their past party life, and while I'm bitter and saying I'll never get married, and I'm planning on just beginning my sex life, these guys are monogamous and focused on their wives and children, ONE RECENTLY JUST HAD A CHILD BORN AND IS TAKING TIME OFF

You guys are seriously retarded, its like you don't even have jobs, if you talk to your average normie in their 40's who is not living a "wholesome family life", they definitely had their fill AND MANY EVEN ADMIT TO IT

You are going on and on about how things work in reality, but I'd bet one of my hands YOU DON'T ACTUALLY TALK TO ANYONE IN REALITY and you have NO REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE

You are going off of memes and the culture of "elite celebrities" and using that as your proof as why degenerates never stop, its BS, the average normie I know makes fun of the chaotic and drama filled lives of celebrities, you are coping

With all due respect @BlkPillPres' rampant escort uses among other things he does is just an example of this.

JFL I've fucked one escort (prostitute actually, not an escort escort), one day it will be "rampant"
 
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Have you ever heard of the hedonic treadmill and a dying sex drive? Chad doesn't care for chasing tons of pussy because he already had his fill, and he no longer has strong urges for sex.
I'm pretty sure the hedonic treadmill is a major reason why many keep on chasing better and more — not give it up.

Is he really going to get on his knees and cry out to God in repentance for the hundred's of women he's slept with because his sex drive finally gave up? Because he gave up his degenerate lifestyle because of circumstance?

In reality though, the degenerate lifestyle continues just at a lesser rate and all the old/disgusting degenerates at the top of society show this.
 
Have you ever heard of the hedonic treadmill and a dying sex drive? Chad doesn't care for chasing tons of pussy because he already had his fill, and he no longer has strong urges for sex.

These guys either don't work, or don't talk to normies about their lives, or don't list to normies talk about their lives, they have no framework for reality at all, @GoffSystemQB is literally citing the lives of exception to rule (like celebrity tier people) as proof that people don't stop their degeneracy, most normies make fun of celeb lives and talk about "when they did stuff like that, but ITS ALL IN THE PAST"

These guys are coping, and you pointed out something important YOUR SEX DRIVE DECREASES OVER TIME so sex becomes less of an interest

We literally only have a short time frame to truly enjoy ourselves sexually and we've lost out on a bulk of it
 
Why can't this fucking retard understand something this simple, I feel like I'm being trolled, you can say this a million different ways and he won't even acknowledge the point, he's literally going to pretend like you didn't even say this, and diverge to something that had nothing to do with your post

I didn't say that chad couldn't repent.It's just hilarious that you consider repenting an easy thing when it involves a million restrictions which to any degenerate might as well be hell on earth.I also said that if god of christianity is real he must be just.You two are seething like two highschool girls who just saw chad getting it on with another girl.Everything that i have said so far was just clarifying the view of the holy church and of the holy scriptures.MY attempt was to clarify what they said not if they are true or not.I do think they are true and that's why i am defending it.Hell being an *unjust* and being proof that god is not love has already been answered a million years ago.So has the question if god exists,if he is good etc etc.what is most sad is that you two spend your life cooming away and instead of picking up a book and sitting down and reading it,you two decide to just fuck around and think it worthwhile to spit into the only hand that could save you.There is a reason why pride is considered the mother of all sin.If you want to continue this conversation,dm your discord.
 
Hell being an *unjust* and being proof that god is not love has already been answered a million years ago.
That question has never been properly answered
 
Dude you are coping hardcore, the average "God fearing christian" today is someone who has gotten to THOROUGHLY enjoy many years of degeneracy and then they "turn their life around"
The average American Christian is a fake protestant Christian in name only who will likely go to hell.


You obviously don't talk to normies, a lot of them have "had their fill" and have moved on and are no busy creating "wholesome families", every single Christian and Muslim guy I know at work talked about their past party life, and while I'm bitter and saying I'll never get married, and I'm planning on just beginning my sex life, these guys are monogamous and focused on their wives and children, ONE RECENTLY JUST HAD A CHILD BORN AND IS TAKING TIME OFF

First off, normies != Chad. You argued that Chads have a higher chance of getting to heaven (many of which are indeed high-status males/celebrities).

Second, how is this anything but an indictment on you and your character? Most people want to settle down and start families as they they progress in age regardless of them "living it up", but because your heart is filled with malice and jealously you're chasing after the life of high schoolers and College students.

Why even make the assumption that you're anything like them and would've moved on had you gotten the opportunity? Quite frankly, I don't think you are. The obsession and fixation on some degeneracy that you could never partake in seems quite childish.

These guys either don't work, or don't talk to normies about their lives, or don't list to normies talk about their lives, they have no framework for reality at all, @GoffSystemQB is literally citing the lives of exception to rule (like celebrity tier people) as proof that people don't stop their degeneracy, most normies make fun of celeb lives and talk about "when they did stuff like that, but ITS ALL IN THE PAST"
Your thread was about Chads not normies. People that have a body count of less than 10 likely. Many normies want families and children as they progress in age because their window is closing and that's what a typical person in society wants.

These guys are coping, and you pointed out something important YOUR SEX DRIVE DECREASES OVER TIME so sex becomes less of an interest
Just like you said yesterday nobody enters Heaven because of circumstance. Giving up a hedonistic lifestyle because of a biological reality is not contrition.
 
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That question has never been properly answered

literally the first thing that popped up in google.And there are a million more answers out there
 

literally the first thing that popped up in google.And there are a million more answers out there
I've read the reasonings before and they are garbage. you can't fully reject God if he hasn't proven himself to exist beyond a shadow of a doubt.
 
I've read the reasonings before and they are garbage. you can't fully reject God if he hasn't proven himself to exist beyond a shadow of a doubt.
he has though.We have scriptures,miracles,philosophy,history...I also thought god did not exist but the more i studied the more i realized how wrong i was.Even tacitus wrote down jesus crucifixion.

"But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind."

"Ask, and it will be given you. Seek, and you will find. Knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For whosoever asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened" matthew 7:7-8
 
he has though.We have scriptures,miracles,philosophy,history...I also thought god did not exist but the more i studied the more i realized how wrong i was.Even tacitus wrote down jesus crucifixion.

"But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind."

"Ask, and it will be given you. Seek, and you will find. Knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For whosoever asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened" matthew 7:7-8
you're using random scriptures, that is not proof which is:
beyond a shadow of a doubt.
 
you're using random scriptures, that is not proof which is:



you can start here.Feser was an atheist and he came to realize that god existed through philosophy.this chart is also good.



you cannot blame god for your wilful decision of not opening your eyes.
 


you can start here.Feser was an atheist and he came to realize that god existed through philosophy.this chart is also good.



you cannot blame god for your wilful decision of not opening your eyes.

I might look at this later, but I highly doubt this will be "proof" god exists. It will only be a suggestion, but as I said I'll look later
 
I might look at this later, but I highly doubt this will be "proof" god exists. It will only be a suggestion, but as I said I'll look later
that's fine man.Feser is an actual philosopher but he is also a very good writer so you should have a good time with him.
 
First off, normies != Chad. You argued that Chads have a higher chance of getting to heaven (many of which are indeed high-status males/celebrities).

Not all Chad's are celebrities, and being Chad is rare so I don't have any in my work place, but there are high tier normies, 6ft 2In and up guys who talk about amazing past dating lives, they aren't Chad but they are good looking

Most people want to settle down and start families as they they progress in age regardless of them "living it up"

No, MOST PEOPLE DID GET TO "LIVE IT UP"

Why even make the assumption that you're anything like them and would've moved on had you gotten the opportunity?

Because I did once want to get married and have children, everyone probably did once, but the concept of that seems more and more like a joke because you know even if you could do that now, you'd have missed out on other experiences, that's what leads to men having "mid life crisises" and/or cheating on their wives in a lot of cases, they didn't "get their fill"

You and your probably future wife is ill-matched, your sexual experience is different, your attitude towards sex is different, her comfortability among men is difference she'd hug an old male friend/ex-BF and you'd be worried about it or even angered, to her its "just a hug"

None of us have the competence required for relationships because we missed certain key experiences that shape your perspective so that you can "settle down"

MONOGAMY IS NOT NATURAL (OBVIOUSLY)

If you miss out on key experiences you'll always be yearning for them, and you'll always be confused

Imagine hearing your wife giggle talking about her first BF and how clumsy he was taking off her training bra, and it was "foolish young love", you are just going to be there like an idiot awkwardly laughing along making shit up so you don't weird her out, and to top it off its going to disgust you, because you'll know that part of her will always be with that guy, he's a permanent feature in your lives, he shaped her sexuality, he's as much a part of your relationship as you are

You really think you're gonna find a virgin wife today?, you must be joking

There's no point in an incel chasing ascension its too late for us

Your thread was about Chads not normies. People that have a body count of less than 10 likely

Like I said before, you guys don't actually interact with people, JFL at less than 10, depends on the guy, and for most women its more than 10, EASILY
 
Not all Chad's are celebrities, and being Chad is rare so I don't have any in my work place, but there are high tier normies, 6ft 2In and up guys who talk about amazing past dating lives, they aren't Chad but they are good looking
Shouldn't you be talking about their amazing past sex life instead to make your point? Not — presumably — a series of monogamous relationships?

No, MOST PEOPLE DID GET TO "LIVE IT UP"
I'm not saying that they didn't — in some sense. I'm saying that people's lives and desires order TOWARDS starting starting a family and getting children the more the biological clock ticks down and the probabilities of attaining such goals dwindle.

Because I did once want to get married and have children, everyone probably did once, but the concept of that seems more and more like a joke because you know even if you could do that now, you'd have missed out on other experiences, that's what leads to men having "mid life crisises" and/or cheating on their wives in a lot of cases, they didn't "get their fill"
A lot of men experience mid-life crises and as you said "most men get their fill" so I would say it's a bit more complex than that, though I see how it might be a factor for some.

It seems that way because more and more you become fixated on what you missed out on. Frankly, a lifestyle that's a complete dream that was never attainable for many of us. The people here that "ascend" will likely be in relationships than living up a casual sex/slayer lifestyle.

You and your probably future wife is ill-matched, your sexual experience is different, your attitude towards sex is different, her comfortability among men is difference she'd hug an old male friend/ex-BF and you'd be worried about it or even angered, to her its "just a hug"

None of us have the competence required for relationships because we missed certain key experiences that shape your perspective so that you can "settle down"
I think I can handle being in a relationship tbh.

If you miss out on key experiences you'll always be yearning for them, and you'll always be confused

Imagine hearing your wife giggle talking about her first BF and how clumsy he was taking off her training bra, and it was "foolish young love", you are just going to be there like an idiot awkwardly laughing along making shit up so you don't weird her out, and to top it off its going to disgust you, because you'll know that part of her will always be with that guy, he's a permanent feature in your lives, he shaped her sexuality, he's as much a part of your relationship as you are

You really think you're gonna find a virgin wife today?, you must be joking

There's no point in an incel chasing ascension its too late for us

I think that around ~10% of women have at least little romantic/sexual experience. Whether they're what many on this forum want is a different story, however.

My preference would be for someone who didn't talk heavily about their exes.

It may end in complete failure and blow up in my face but I'm not afraid to try if presented with the opportunity.

Like I said before, you guys don't actually interact with people, JFL at less than 10, depends on the guy, and for most women its more than 10, EASILY
It's not really the same for women. Their relationship success is more meaningful to them than their body count and many are ashamed/hide it in some way because they understand that it's not a positive trait.
 
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Shouldn't you be talking about their amazing past sex life instead to make your point? Not — presumably — a series of monogamous relationships?

So you defining sex life as "ONLY ONE NIGHT STANDS" and anything outside of that isn't a "sex life"?, are you seeing how this becomes ridiculous as we get specific, you are forced to reveal your nonsense personal definitions for things

Last time I checked a series of monogamous relationships is often part of a "sex life", but by your criteria only Chad has a sex life, let me guess, you believe in "sub 8 theory"?, at this point I have to assume you have a bunch of ridiculous beliefs

I think I can handle being in a relationship tbh

JFL of course you do, that's the essence of cope, don't you think there is a little bit of bias here, how would you even know?, how close have you gotten to being in a relationship?

It's not really the same for women. Their relationship success is more meaningful to them than their body count and many are ashamed/hide it in some way because they understand that it's not a positive trait.

I'll say it again, you clearly don't talk to normies, not one female I have ever met (other than a married woman in her 30's up) has expressed any shame about their active sex lives, they talk about it boldly and proudly, you seem to be confusing whatever small religious town you may reside in with the rest of the modern world, women no longer feel shame about these things, in fact they boast about it
 
So you defining sex life as "ONLY ONE NIGHT STANDS" and anything outside of that isn't a "sex life"?, are you seeing how this becomes ridiculous as we get specific, you are forced to reveal your nonsense personal definitions for things

Last time I checked a series of monogamous relationships is often part of a "sex life", but by your criteria only Chad has a sex life, let me guess, you believe in "sub 8 theory"?, at this point I have to assume you have a bunch of ridiculous beliefs
The central point was about pure degeneracy and carnal pleasure. Though such relationships are disordered according to Christianity, I wouldn't describe them as rising to the point of pure on degeneracy.

JFL of course you do, that's the essence of cope, don't you think there is a little bit of bias here, how would you even know?, how close have you gotten to being in a relationship?
It's just my personal belief. It might be a cope, but given the opportunity I will at least try.

I'll say it again, you clearly don't talk to normies, not one female I have ever met (other than a married woman in her 30's up) has expressed any shame about their active sex lives, they talk about it boldly and proudly, you seem to be confusing whatever small religious town you may reside in with the rest of the modern world, women no longer feel shame about these things, in fact they boast about it
Maybe I misspoke. They don't have personal shame per say, but many cases they do in fact hide the true extent of their sexual past and details from their boyfriends, friends, and outside world because they know it would reflect negatively on them. That's what I was referring to with the "ashamed" comment.

The bottom part is only true for some, being an open and unapologetic whore comes with consequences among other women, their social circles, in pursuing relationships, in work, and so forth still In spite of such things becoming more and more normalized. That's just the truth.
 
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literally the first thing that popped up in google.And there are a million more answers out there

"Anything I find on the internet that fits my confirmation bias is accurate" - this is basically your post

Also I read some of it, its seriously flawed, take this for example:
First, the objection falsely assumes that a punishment has to be equal or proportionate to a fault as to the amount of duration. If the duration of punishment had to correspond to the duration of an offense, then it would be unjust to give a murderer a prison sentence any longer than the time it took for the murderer to kill his victim

But that’s absurd

This is a complete strawman, as they go out of their way not to state the obvious, the murderer should be murdered in the same way under the same duration, just applying duration alone is ridiculous, but making each person experience the negative side of each sin they committed IS JUST

Hell is not that, hell is 100% unjust, you could kill one guy in a murderous rage and then spend eternity in hell, that guy could have been your school bully who just fucked the girl you had a crush on and rubbed it in your face, doesn't matter, provocation doesn't matter, murder is bad so you get tortured for eternity, THE END

That's what is absurd, if humans used an equivalent of God's law, all sentences to jail would be life sentences NO MATTER THE CRIME

Get caught with an ounce of weed - LIFE SENTENCE
Jay walking - LIFE SENTENCE
Prostitution - LIFE SENTENCE
Tax evasion - LIFE SENTENCE

That is how God's law works, there is no inbetween, you either go to hell or heaven

Let me guess what you say next, purgatory is the "inbetween", well guess what, that's just your special idea specific to your denomination of christianity, not all Christians believe in purgatory, and as always every christian conveniently believes that the deomination they were MERELY BORN INTO just happens to be THE RIGHT ONE
 
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"Anything I find on the internet that fits my confirmation bias is accurate" - this is basically your post

Also I read some of it, its seriously flawed, take this for example:


This is a complete strawman, as they go out of their way not to state the obvious, the murderer should be murdered in the same way under the same duration, just applying duration alone is ridiculous, but making each person experience the negative side of each sin they committed IS JUST

Hell is not that, hell is 100% unjust, you could kill one guy in a murderous rage and then spend eternity in hell, that guy could have been your school bully who just fucked the girl you had a crush on and rubbed it in your face, doesn't matter, provocation doesn't matter, murder is bad so you get tortured for eternity, THE END

That's what is absurd, if humans used an equivalent of God's law, all sentences to jail would be life sentences NO MATTER THE CRIME

Get caught with an ounce of weed - LIFE SENTENCE
Jay walking - LIFE SENTENCE
Prostitution - LIFE SENTENCE
Tax evasion - LIFE SENTENCE

That is how God's law works, there is no inbetween, you either go to hell or heaven

Let me guess what you say next, purgatory is the "inbetween", well guess what, that's just your special idea specific to your denomination of christianity, not all Christians believe in purgatory, and as always every christian conveniently believes that the deomination they were MERELY BORN INTO just happens to be THE RIGHT ONE

The truth is the truth.If it's part of denomination or part of something entirely different does not matter.the truth is simply the truth.

i understand that you are very keen on arguing for arguing sake(which i assume satisfies your ego), but on that link i sent you it also says

"The measure of the punishment due for sin is the gravity of the fault. According to Aquinas, “[T]he measure of punishment corresponds to the measure of fault, as regards the degree of severity, so that the more grievously a person sins the more grievously is he punished” (ST, suppl.III:99:1; emphasis added). In other words, it is the internal wickedness of an offense that is the measure of expiation for it."

The holy church also differentiates two types of sin.Venial sin and mortal sin.All sin is an offence agaisnt god but as st.john says "…All wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly".Venial sin doesn't send you straight to hell but mortal sin does.Both can be repented for.The holy church also accepts of the varying circumstances that the person could be in.
Look at the church view on suicide


"Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide."

still murder is murder and sin is sin and sin requires punishment.
 
The truth is the truth.If it's part of denomination or part of something entirely different does not matter.the truth is simply the truth

I know self awareness is not something people like you tend to have, but you do realize that a lot of your arguments are pretty much - "I'm right because I'm right", you have to seriously switch your brain off to not even have the self awareness to notice this

"God is Just"
Why?
"....... Because God is just"

"The truth is the truth"
Why is the thing you proclaim to be the truth "the truth", aren't you presupposing its the truth and then asserting its the truth based on that presupposition?
"......... The truth is the truth, and its obviously true"

If you had any self awareness at all these kinds of arguments would give you pause, and you wouldn't make them, you'd say something else, but its becoming quite clear the level of thinking you have at this current phase in your life, you are in full on cope mode, logic doesn't matter to you at all, only what makes you able to tolerate your existence

Only a DISHONEST person, or someone in DENIAL, can keep ENDLESSLY USING CIRCULAR REASONING and not see how fallacious the arguments are, so you are either disingenuous (completely aware and still doing it) or illogical (has no self awareness to even comprehend the flaw in the arguments)

You can't just say "I'm right because I'm right" and assert that as an argument, you say God is good, then validate why he is good, your argument can't be "well its because he's goodness, God is goodness incarnate" or some nonesense like that, that's not an argument, that's you saying "I'm just right", that' doesn't make sense, that's a retard tier argument, you literally have to turn your brain off to be religious, people like you prove this everyday

If I made arguments like you did, they'd be pretty short and absolutely pointless - "God is unjust because just look at how unjust he is, he's clearly unjust"

Are you ever going to acknowledge what you are doing?
 
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I know selfawareness is not something people like you tend to have, but you do realize that a lot of your arguments are pretty much - "I'm right because I'm right", you have to seriously switch your brain off not even have the selfawareness to notice this

"God is Just"
Why?
"....... Because God is just"

"The truth is the truth"
Why is the thing you proclaim to be the truth "the truth", aren't you presupposing its the truth and then asserting its the truth based on that presupposition?
"......... The truth is the truth, and its obviously true"

If you had any selfawareness at all these kinds of arguments would give you pause and you wouldn't make them, you'd say something else, but its becoming quite clear the level of thinking you have at this current phase in your life, you are in full on cope mode, logic doesn't matter to you at all, only what makes you able to tolerate your existence

Only a DISHONEST person, or someone in DENIAL, can keep ENDLESSLY USING CIRCULAR REASONING and not see how fallacious the arguments are, so you are either disingenuous (completely aware and still doing it) or illogical (has no selfwareness to even comprehend the flaw in the arguments)

You can't just say "I'm right because I'm right" and assert that as an argument, you say God is good, then validate why he is good, your argument can't be "well its because he's goodness", that' doesn't make sense, that's a retard tier argument, you literally have to turn your brain off to be religious, people like you prove this everyday

If I made arguments like you did, they'd be pretty short and absolutely pointless - "God is unjust because just look at how unjust he is, he's clearly unjust"

Are you ever going to acknowledge what you are doing?
I guess you forgot what i said a few posts back.I am not here to answer such questions as 'is god real?is god good?what is god?Does truth exist?Do universals exist?does the soul exist?is the soul immortal?" and so on and son.I am simply clarifying assumptions.For example if god is evil then he can only produce evil.And i am simply saying that the god of christianity is by their definition good.You said that hell could not come from something that is eternally good,so i tried clarifying how some "hypothetically" eternally good god could be eternally good but still condemn one to hell.I am not here doing philosophy,i am simply doing basic theology(even if sometimes they look like the same).Questions such as is "god real?" are extremely important and i already gave out links and books which you can read and find out an answer.These questions are usually complicated and cannot be explained in a few posts(which is why i am only directing you to read or watch other people).I am only here to bring the good news,nothing more.I do not do this to make man suffer,for there is already a lot of suffering out there.
 
Yeah yeah yeah we know about how you cucktians cope now go spread your (((GOOD MESSAGE))) somewhere else. It's literally a cuck story about a soyboy who defended foids from oppression. Oh and his dad was a litteral cuck. Guess (((WHO))) wrote it and pushed this story on white people after they destroyed their temple for being subhuman trash...
 
You'll be sent to hell for failing to find a partner.
Heaven is for women and chad only
full
 
And so God created ugly femoids for being housewifes. Thanks , God, but I dont want one


And so I dropped christianity, as it is way into simping
 
Christfags should be banned on sight, Islam is the religiion of .co.
 
Religion is collective insanity.
 
I'm a Christcuck
 

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