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Serious A brutal story from a coworker (and another reason why I think zoomers are the way they are)

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There's this 29 year old guy at my job. He was born in 1996 so, he's either among the youngest of millennials or the oldest of zoomers. Anyway I've gotten to know him pretty well. He's technically closer to the age of most of my coworkers (18-23) but he's an "unc" and not a 6-7 ironybro memelord, so he gravitates towards me and the other "uncs". He's a reasonably intelligent guy. No rocket scientist but he's probably in the 100-105 range from what I can tell. Not exactly sure why he's stuck in fast food at his age, but I know the job market is dogshit so I'll just chalk it up to that (and he also has no degree). He's bald and possibly a truecel. No mentions of an ex, and no evidence of an ex on his social media. So nearcel at a minimum.

Anyway he mentioned multiple times that he "had to drop out" of his high school and move in with his uncle (where he still lives to this day). He did end up getting his GED though. But anyway it sounded like something went down that impacted his life in a dramatic way, but up until a week ago he only alluded to it. I finally asked him about it last week, and he opened up about what happened. When he was 17 he was hanging out with his friends, smoking weed and he ended up making a joke about a female student. He didn't elaborate on what the joke was, he seemed to be ashamed of it still so I didn't want to press him, but I imagine it was sexual in nature. What he didn't realize is that one of his "friends" was secretly recording him. The video ended up circulating throughout the school and he was bullied so badly he had to drop out and move far away (he's originally from a small town in Nebraska) to escape it all.

From what I've seen and heard, it's extremely common for zoomers to secretly record their classmates or just go around recording all day hoping something happens so they can have "content". If there's even a hint that maybe something is going to happen, there's going to be a bunch of zoomers with their camera phones out recording.

If you're a core zoomer this is probably just a "muh water is wet" post. You've known this from a very early age. But I'm 40. I grew up in a time where people could make edgy jokes with the boys, get high, get drunk, make mistakes, do low inhib stupid shit (as long as no one was harmed) and not have it ruin your life. Going back to my coworker, had he made that joke back when I was 17, it would have been a completely inconsequential joke between teenage boys who were high. But because this happened in 2013 or 2014, and everyone had smartphones and Tumblr politics became culturally dominant, it ended up fucking him over hard.

I remember in my "why do so many zoomers constantly speak in a monotone voice" thread, another user (credit to @BricABrac ) mentioned that zoomers don't drink. There's plenty of articles/studies that confirm they're far less likely to drink compared to other generations. You might think zoomers would be more likely to drink since they're more likely to be "doomers", and have a higher desire for escapism and a mentally altered state. I think one of the reasons is alcohol is a social thing. And when you get drunk you let down your guard and your inhibitions are lowered. But in a world where anyone could be secretly recording you, not only does that suck the prospect of fun out of the experience, but it's a risk people can't afford, especially in today's hypercompetitive world. Who wants their drunken antics or rants to be posted on the internet for all to see. So instead of drinking with friends, zoomers just stay in their bedrooms and do kratom or benzos or some other substance that's generally used solo as opposed to socially.

Even worse is the fact that when most people see a video of someone, they will interpret it in the absolute worst possible way, especially if you are a man (and RIP if you're a sub5). It could be taken completely out of context and the viewers will make up a story in their minds based off of nothing where you are the ultimate evil. That's what happened with nick sandmann. Thankfully in his case there was another video that came out that disproved the narrative (and even then people wanted him dead because they already had made up their minds).

It's like we're living in an orwellian dystopia, but the oppression and surveillance is coming from the general public as opposed to just the government (though the government and megacorps also do their fair share, but that's another story). In such a world, being HIGH inhib is a MUST. You can't afford to make mistakes. You can't afford to let your guard down. You can't trust anyone. And that's another reason why zoomers are so high inhib, unsocial, and hyper-introverted and why so many of them lack any close friendships. Even with online friends they're very guarded as doxxing and leaking DMs is a national sport among gen z.

Even as a 40 year old, I'm not completely sheltered from this. There have been times where a customer was extremely hostile with me, and back 20 years ago I would have just told them off. But now I have to stand there and take it like a bitch. Not only out of fear of being fired, but fear of them pulling out their phone and accusing me of doing/saying some shit I didn't do. Every other employee has the same fears, so the customer always gets their way like a spoiled petulant child. It's actually difficult for me, because I'm naturally low inhib and extroverted but there's simply no place for a high T, low inhib, extroverted man in today's world (yeah yeah, Chad is the exception, I know).
 
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what the fuck was the joke :dafuckfeels: pre 2016 was a very different climate to what we have now, it must have had to have been extreme to generate that sort of reaction from people. I mean 2014 was the filthy frank era, people were really that sensitive??
 
what the fuck was the joke
He didn't tell me and I didn't want to press him on it. I just assume it was something sexual as he mentioned it was a female classmate he said it about.

pre 2016 was a very different climate to what we have now, it must have had to have been extreme to generate that sort of reaction from people. I mean 2014 was the filthy frank era, people were really that sensitive??
You are looking at the past through nostalgia goggles. 2014 was the year where Tumblr politics became culturally dominant among young people. Yes, there was an edgy counter-culture online, but the tumblrinas had a stronghold on the cultural zeitgeist at that point.
 
Indeed, self-censorship has become integral to survival in today's modern world.
It's actually difficult for me, because I'm naturally low inhib and extroverted but there's simply no place for a high T, low inhib, extroverted man in today's world
What is it like to be an extrovert? What is it you crave? The more social interaction, the better or how does it work?
 
This sounds like schizo shit tbh

Yeah everyone is on their phone but I really doubt they're recording everyone hoping to blackmail and ruin others lives

Although, there really isn't a good explanation out there on the precipitous drop of alcohol consumed by Gen Z and Alpha. Weed isn't enough, and that curbs socializing. Lack of money, that never stopped poor kids in my day
 
What is it like to be an extrovert? What is it you crave? The more social interaction, the better or how does it work?
I'm naturally a low inhib and social person. I yearn for the days when people would strike up a conversation with a stranger (and possibly make a new friend if they had enough in common) rather than have their faces stuffed in their phones constantly. But I'm also enough of a realist to know there's no going back to those days and society will just become increasingly introverted, isolated and atomized.

I like getting to know people and I'm naturally talkative. This is less true today as I've gotten older (the older you get the less extroverted you become) and I've changed my behavior to fit in with today's introvert-dominant world. That said it's not just a matter of "more = better". There has to be some compatibility.

I'm just glad I grew up in the 90s and early 2000s. I was super high T, extroverted and low inhib when I was young and I would have clashed very hard with today's socially oppressive introvertocracy.
 
I agree, I think its a form of evolution or phase that was eventually going to happen, such as anyone who is vindictive will use what ever means to get what they want. From memory I remember seeing people getting doxed or losing their jobs for political opinions, and its evolved to be used against those that do not conform, from the way you vote, to what you said when there was no reason to previously be concerned what you said in your past could destroy you.
 
I fucked up and crashed out hard years ago, posting shit I thought would back me into a corner and make me finally end it. Basically as edgy/mentally ill as you can get. Posted under my real name and under aliases but linking it to my real identity. Apparently, no one really cared; but now me saying some of that shit is available if someone gets really curious (not seen any direct evidence of this surfacing yet, though, but it's not fun to have in the back of your mind that any possible job/friendship/whatever could be wiped out if someone starts digging or whatever).
today's socially oppressive introvertocracy.
I'd say they just took their socializing from IRL to social media. Normies also love larping as introverts/mentally ill/autistic/etc.
 
The internet has basically been a way to forever keep your worst mistake.
 
This is a sad story. I'll be 40 in a few years, how do you cope or make peace with it? I often feel panic that time is passing and I'll never find anyone. Hope you don't mind me asking
 
I'm naturally a low inhib and social person. I yearn for the days when people would strike up a conversation with a stranger (and possibly make a new friend if they had enough in common) rather than have their faces stuffed in their phones constantly. But I'm also enough of a realist to know there's no going back to those days and society will just become increasingly introverted, isolated and atomized.

I like getting to know people and I'm naturally talkative. This is less true today as I've gotten older (the older you get the less extroverted you become) and I've changed my behavior to fit in with today's introvert-dominant world. That said it's not just a matter of "more = better". There has to be some compatibility.

I'm just glad I grew up in the 90s and early 2000s. I was super high T, extroverted and low inhib when I was young and I would have clashed very hard with today's socially oppressive introvertocracy.
Thank you, very thorough response. Imagine if Zoomers were more social though. Perhaps you were spared a generation of people talking your ear off about things like 6-7 and Tung Tung Tung Sahur all day, every day. The extroverts of yesteryear must have been more interesting people for you to want to talk to them.
 
High quality post.
This is tragic in so many ways, I hope he can find a better life for himself.

I like the point about how zoomers don't drink because they don't want to be recorded. but I think it's mostly because they are significantly less social than millennials.
 
true, as someone that s 20 years old, i already found myself in the case where i had to restrict my actions even when i was younger because of this fact, on top on that i m generally a high inhib guy, so it made it 1000 times worse for me because of this
 
That's a good angle. Internet is forever, and this combination of being able to "permanize" the transient is novel to human existence. We're living in some kind of wacky oral/literal hybrid society combining the worst aspects of both.

It's a cartoon. But I remember in, Regular Show there's an episode where the Jay's mom is showing some recording of some stupid embarrassing thing he did as a kid and just laughing. Obviously they absolve the parents of any wrong doing, since the moral in almost everything nowadays is just to "take it."

It's true, he needs to just "get over it." So what? You did something stupid as a kid it's fine, everybody does. But the thing is he isn't allowed to just get over it. He isn't allowed to just put it in the past and move on, because it was recorded and being resurrected constantly. His fucking mom needs to destroy that tape. Instead she keeps it to reenact the humiliation in some of of ritual (her own inability to move on from when her son was a child has some role to be sure, but it was never addressed in the show).

Appreciate the hat tip, to be sure, I think Zoomers not drinking is the effect, not the cause.
 
Life must be miserable for older extroverted truecels who long for the days in the past when they had good friends and acquaintances. Most Zoomers have not had good friends or acquaintances, life is no longer conducive to such things. There are always limits to communication between people, but the barriers between us now must be the biggest they have ever been. It is probably not going to change any time soon. Zoomers, Gen Alpha and beyond will never know what a good friend or acquaintance is because it lies beyond their imagination for how life could be.
 
There's this 29 year old guy at my job. He was born in 1996 so, he's either among the youngest of millennials or the oldest of zoomers. Anyway I've gotten to know him pretty well. He's technically closer to the age of most of my coworkers (18-23) but he's an "unc" and not a 6-7 ironybro memelord, so he gravitates towards me and the other "uncs". He's a reasonably intelligent guy. No rocket scientist but he's probably in the 100-105 range from what I can tell. Not exactly sure why he's stuck in fast food at his age, but I know the job market is dogshit so I'll just chalk it up to that (and he also has no degree). He's bald and possibly a truecel. No mentions of an ex, and no evidence of an ex on his social media. So nearcel at a minimum.

Anyway he mentioned multiple times that he "had to drop out" of his high school and move in with his uncle (where he still lives to this day). He did end up getting his GED though. But anyway it sounded like something went down that impacted his life in a dramatic way, but up until a week ago he only alluded to it. I finally asked him about it last week, and he opened up about what happened. When he was 17 he was hanging out with his friends, smoking weed and he ended up making a joke about a female student. He didn't elaborate on what the joke was, he seemed to be ashamed of it still so I didn't want to press him, but I imagine it was sexual in nature. What he didn't realize is that one of his "friends" was secretly recording him. The video ended up circulating throughout the school and he was bullied so badly he had to drop out and move far away (he's originally from a small town in Nebraska) to escape it all.

From what I've seen and heard, it's extremely common for zoomers to secretly record their classmates or just go around recording all day hoping something happens so they can have "content". If there's even a hint that maybe something is going to happen, there's going to be a bunch of zoomers with their camera phones out recording.

If you're a core zoomer this is probably just a "muh water is wet" post. You've known this from a very early age. But I'm 40. I grew up in a time where people could make edgy jokes with the boys, get high, get drunk, make mistakes, do low inhib stupid shit (as long as no one was harmed) and not have it ruin your life. Going back to my coworker, had he made that joke back when I was 17, it would have been a completely inconsequential joke between teenage boys who were high. But because this happened in 2013 or 2014, and everyone had smartphones and Tumblr politics became culturally dominant, it ended up fucking him over hard.

I remember in my "why do so many zoomers constantly speak in a monotone voice" thread, another user (credit to @BricABrac ) mentioned that zoomers don't drink. There's plenty of articles/studies that confirm they're far less likely to drink compared to other generations. You might think zoomers would be more likely to drink since they're more likely to be "doomers", and have a higher desire for escapism and a mentally altered state. I think one of the reasons is alcohol is a social thing. And when you get drunk you let down your guard and your inhibitions are lowered. But in a world where anyone could be secretly recording you, not only does that suck the prospect of fun out of the experience, but it's a risk people can't afford, especially in today's hypercompetitive world. Who wants their drunken antics or rants to be posted on the internet for all to see. So instead of drinking with friends, zoomers just stay in their bedrooms and do kratom or benzos or some other substance that's generally used solo as opposed to socially.

Even worse is the fact that when most people see a video of someone, they will interpret it in the absolute worst possible way, especially if you are a man (and RIP if you're a sub5). It could be taken completely out of context and the viewers will make up a story in their minds based off of nothing where you are the ultimate evil. That's what happened with nick sandmann. Thankfully in his case there was another video that came out that disproved the narrative (and even then people wanted him dead because they already had made up their minds).

It's like we're living in an orwellian dystopia, but the oppression and surveillance is coming from the general public as opposed to just the government (though the government and megacorps also do their fair share, but that's another story). In such a world, being HIGH inhib is a MUST. You can't afford to make mistakes. You can't afford to let your guard down. You can't trust anyone. And that's another reason why zoomers are so high inhib, unsocial, and hyper-introverted and why so many of them lack any close friendships. Even with online friends they're very guarded as doxxing and leaking DMs is a national sport among gen z.

Even as a 40 year old, I'm not completely sheltered from this. There have been times where a customer was extremely hostile with me, and back 20 years ago I would have just told them off. But now I have to stand there and take it like a bitch. Not only out of fear of being fired, but fear of them pulling out their phone and accusing me of doing/saying some shit I didn't do. Every other employee has the same fears, so the customer always gets their way like a spoiled petulant child. It's actually difficult for me, because I'm naturally low inhib and extroverted but there's simply no place for a high T, low inhib, extroverted man in today's world (yeah yeah, Chad is the exception, I know).
The majority of zoomers that i've met in this life were dark triad, cold and calculating sociopaths. What you said is true. But some of them are smart enough to shift between an calculating asshole, being social, being low-inhib and being hyper-introverted. Or some of they are one of these types, or they are a judging monster.

If yoy are sub5 like you said, then their behaviour towards you will be hostile and calculated. It doesn't matter if the majority of zoomers are hyper-introverted. They already made up their minds about you, your behaviour and looks. It can be worse if you aren't NT.

They don't even have to record it. If they can bully you and put you down, there's nothing you can do about these unpredictable cold sociopaths.

Some zoomers that i met in high school were chill tho
 
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so i doesnt get better...?? (good quality post tho)
It's a mixed bag, but ultimately a net negative. You do lose any (false) hope you might have had when you were younger and you're not frustrated all the time and you learn to accept your lot in life.

On the other hand, there's a lot of negatives that come with age. More health problems, less energy, zero social opportunities, etc. There's also the fact that one day you come to the realization that the world you grew up in is completely gone. Even the world that existed when you were a young adult is long gone.

Then there's age discrimination in hiring. For lower level positions (which are all I qualify for) they generally prefer younger candidates over older ones. A 40 year old has slower reaction times and has less energy compared to a 20 year old. A 40 year old is also more likely to utilize the company's healthcare plan which increases costs for them. Obviously employers are all aware of this, thus have little incentive to hire a 40 year old when they have 100 other applicants. I'm "lucky" to have the job I currently have, especially since I get full time hours. And I work in fast food.
 
Life must be miserable for older extroverted truecels who long for the days in the past when they had good friends and acquaintances. Most Zoomers have not had good friends or acquaintances, life is no longer conducive to such things. There are always limits to communication between people, but the barriers between us now must be the biggest they have ever been. It is probably not going to change any time soon. Zoomers, Gen Alpha and beyond will never know what a good friend or acquaintance is because it lies beyond their imagination for how life could be.
I had plenty of acquaintances in my youth (90s-early 00s) without trying whatsoever. They felt like a waste of time which they were. But, in today's timeline I doubt any of them would have happened. So, I don't know which would be better for an introvert autist like myself.
 
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Good post OP. Yeah expect things to only get worse 10 years from now.
 

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