如果寫程式會變窮嘅話, 會發生咩事

[AsiaCel]

如果寫程式會變窮, 冇前途, 畀人睇低it狗嘅話, 會發生咩事?

我哋唔使估, 因為香港創科界已經係咁

我寫程式寫咗都幾年, 我諗應該係mid level, 2022入職, 2023被裁員, 2024搵到新工, 份糧由32k降到20k; 我睇嗰啲中介公司, 依家佢哋analyst programmers分量係以前一般programmer嗰條水。

平均程式員嘅薪酬係大約18k - 30k左右

我知道好多人都會一齊同家人合作用啲灰色地帶嘅殘疾, 綜援政策去住比較大嘅公屋, 避免嗰啲板間房, 籠屋等等。

香港大多數嘅apps都係垃圾, 係有原因嘅。

大家都有做有36唔做又36嘅心態, 而且會有非官方嘅辦公室"規則"。

你唔舉我玩手機, 我就唔報串你睇抖音。

程式員常用ai寫嘅code, 有時嗰啲commit直情係會留低超級明顯Gemini嘅留言 (// 1. You must do X)

除咗某些senior之外, 大多數嘅senior/mid level係唔會理你點寫個程式; 冇乜嘢big o嘅理論或者討論空間

因為review code好曬心機, 通常你寫完個code都會畀你"擁有", 喺未來有乜嘢問題或者要加乜嘢都係你嘅事

最狡猾嘅就係而家啲management係唔會叫你跟死規矩, 佢哋係會畀個好概括嘅目的你, 跟住要你演繹佢係講緊啲咩; 雖然睇落呢個好似係正確嘅方法, 但係對程式員嚟講, 基本上就係要佢哋孭曬啲鑊, 有冬瓜豆腐就要佢哋算帳。

好多程式員都係generalists, 要做曬full stack: 手機app, web app, 介面, 等等; 通常如果有個新功能推出, 由backend API至到手機介面中文翻譯, 都係一條友做曬。

而且佢哋係冇工作保護; 如果老細叫你寫個危險嘅程式 (例如有關生死嘅程式), 你係冇保, 啲程式有乜嘢edge cases, 而且你唔夠時間試嘅話, 老細就會話: 得啦得啦, 到時user有乜嘢complaints咪fix咗佢囉

雖然好多工都係九點至六點, 但實際上你係要喺地鐵同人逼成一個半鐘左右; 因為好多呢啲工都喺港島區, 而且港島區咁撚貴, 我哋又咁撚窮, 咁你可以諗到個logical conclusion就係咁, 所以嘥精神唔只係工作。

, 你可以睇到點解香港大多數嘅程式都係垃圾, 點解香港啲程式成日畀人hack (冇保安嘅APIs), 點解大多數嘅香港程式喺play store都會咁低分, 日日畀人屌垃圾, 點解香港科技界係畀人睇係半桶水, 大家有眼見到!

我搵咗一個case study去證明我講嘅嘢, 但你上網睇, 其實唔止一個, 香港科技界係臭名遠播。

"
HK apps are pain… what’s your worst experience?

Been going down a rabbit hole reading Play Store reviews of HK apps (like PayMe, MoneyBack, AlipayHK, HKTVmall, OpenRice, ParknShop…). Ended up combing through like 13k reviews (don’t ask why, I clearly have no life ).

The crazy thing is: the complaints are super consistent across almost all of them. Posting here to see if it matches your experience.

The big pain points I kept seeing:

Slow & buggy AF – apps freezing, crashing, or taking forever right when you’re trying to pay at checkout.

Coupons/rewards never work – codes vanish, loyalty points expire before you can use them, vouchers don’t apply… feels like they dangle rewards they know you’ll never get.

Too nosey – random permissions, tracking everything. PayMe’s public feed of your friends’ transactions is still wild to me.

UI from hell – broken search, useless filters, drowning in ads/popups. (HKTVmall + OpenRice were called out a LOT.)

Hidden costs / scammy vibes – “buy 1 get 1 free” but they inflate the price first, sneaky delivery/customs fees, people receiving cheaper knock-offs instead of what they ordered.

App-specific callouts from the reviews:

PayMe: vouchers are basically unusable.

HKTVmall/OpenRice: feels like ad platforms disguised as apps.

ParknShop: cart items disappear + runs like it’s from 2008.

So yeah, curious:

Do these complaints line up with what you’ve seen?

Which HK app do you find the most painful?

Anything obvious I missed?

Not shilling anything, just doing some UX research + genuinely interested in the collective suffering here
"

國際公司當然畀錢畀得多好多, 但係好少嗰啲職位, 你出嚟打工, 個競爭咁大, 係基本冇可能跳入嗰啲職位, 加上90%嘅入門程式工作已經被削減。

最後, 我完全舉腳大家hea做, 因為係一個間接性集體"請願"(quiet quitting), 發出一個訊號: 你畀垃圾我哋, 我哋就會畀返垃圾你哋 (garbage in garbage out)。

蘇聯有個嘢好啱: you pretend to pay, and we pretend to work.

 

[Patches]

ching chong bing chilling .

 

[cripplecel]

CHIGN CHONG CHING CHONG!

 

[AsiaCel]

如果寫程式會變窮, 冇前途, 畀人睇低it狗嘅話, 會發生咩事?

我哋唔使估, 因為香港創科界已經係咁

我寫程式寫咗都幾年, 我諗應該係mid level, 2022入職, 2023被裁員, 2024搵到新工, 份糧由32k降到20k; 我睇嗰啲中介公司, 依家佢哋analyst programmers分量係以前一般programmer嗰條水。

平均程式員嘅薪酬係大約18k - 30k左右

我知道好多人都會一齊同家人合作用啲灰色地帶嘅殘疾, 綜援政策去住比較大嘅公屋, 避免嗰啲板間房, 籠屋等等。

香港大多數嘅apps都係垃圾, 係有原因嘅。

大家都有做有36唔做又36嘅心態, 而且會有非官方嘅辦公室"規則"。

你唔舉我玩手機, 我就唔報串你睇抖音。

程式員常用ai寫嘅code, 有時嗰啲commit直情係會留低超級明顯Gemini嘅留言 (// 1. You must do X)

除咗某些senior之外, 大多數嘅senior/mid level係唔會理你點寫個程式; 冇乜嘢big o嘅理論或者討論空間

因為review code好曬心機, 通常你寫完個code都會畀你"擁有", 喺未來有乜嘢問題或者要加乜嘢都係你嘅事

最狡猾嘅就係而家啲management係唔會叫你跟死規矩, 佢哋係會畀個好概括嘅目的你, 跟住要你演繹佢係講緊啲咩; 雖然睇落呢個好似係正確嘅方法, 但係對程式員嚟講, 基本上就係要佢哋孭曬啲鑊, 有冬瓜豆腐就要佢哋算帳。

好多程式員都係generalists, 要做曬full stack: 手機app, web app, 介面, 等等; 通常如果有個新功能推出, 由backend API至到手機介面中文翻譯, 都係一條友做曬。

而且佢哋係冇工作保護; 如果老細叫你寫個危險嘅程式 (例如有關生死嘅程式), 你係冇保, 啲程式有乜嘢edge cases, 而且你唔夠時間試嘅話, 老細就會話: 得啦得啦, 到時user有乜嘢complaints咪fix咗佢囉

雖然好多工都係九點至六點, 但實際上你係要喺地鐵同人逼成一個半鐘左右; 因為好多呢啲工都喺港島區, 而且港島區咁撚貴, 我哋又咁撚窮, 咁你可以諗到個logical conclusion就係咁, 所以嘥精神唔只係工作。

, 你可以睇到點解香港大多數嘅程式都係垃圾, 點解香港啲程式成日畀人hack (冇保安嘅APIs), 點解大多數嘅香港程式喺play store都會咁低分, 日日畀人屌垃圾, 點解香港科技界係畀人睇係半桶水, 大家有眼見到!

我搵咗一個case study去證明我講嘅嘢, 但你上網睇, 其實唔止一個, 香港科技界係臭名遠播。



國際公司當然畀錢畀得多好多, 但係好少嗰啲職位, 你出嚟打工, 個競爭咁大, 係基本冇可能跳入嗰啲職位, 加上90%嘅入門程式工作已經被削減。

最後, 我完全舉腳大家hea做, 因為係一個間接性集體"請願"(quiet quitting), 發出一個訊號: 你畀垃圾我哋, 我哋就會畀返垃圾你哋 (garbage in garbage out)。

蘇聯有個嘢好啱: you pretend to pay, and we pretend to work.

更新: 仲有你千祈唔好想你公司好, 我公司話所謂上市, 跟住還會有bonus畀啲勤力做到嘢嘅員工, 呢啲全部都係鳩噏; 反而我哋公司部冷氣喺個寫字樓喺呢個咁q炎熱嘅夏天竟然壞咗, 搞到日日感覺好似想流汗但又留唔到嘅地部....呢啲嘢都要死慳死底??

老細話"blahblahblah我哋好成功", 呢啲全部都係老吹, 只會越嚟越多嘢做, 越嚟越多context switching, 越嚟越多上山下海 (係呀, 程式員要搬搬抬抬行山㗎, 仲冇廁所冇嘢食冇嘢飲添), 越嚟越多嘥氣嘅工序 (例如: 新apps又要特別字體, 調教顏色模式, 中文翻譯等等)

我喺第一個post話我哋喺度hea用ai寫, 但係根本就冇辦法唔用ai, 因為唔用ai你係會畀人丙, 當你飯桶; 公司多咗冇搭霎, 高要求嘅clients(有啲呼呼喝喝); 好撚心請啲學徒啦, 嗰啲學師仔喺大學或者工業學院(IVE)出嚟幫下手做下frontend都好呀, 幫下手做下QA係咁撳啲掣都好呀

 

[hatepilledandrich]

How has a.i been treating you? More or less workload?

 

[AsiaCel]

更新: 仲有你千祈唔好想你公司好, 我公司話所謂上市, 跟住還會有bonus畀啲勤力做到嘢嘅員工, 呢啲全部都係鳩噏; 反而我哋公司部冷氣喺個寫字樓喺呢個咁q炎熱嘅夏天竟然壞咗, 搞到日日感覺好似想流汗但又留唔到嘅地部....呢啲嘢都要死慳死底??

老細話"blahblahblah我哋好成功", 呢啲全部都係老吹, 只會越嚟越多嘢做, 越嚟越多context switching, 越嚟越多上山下海 (係呀, 程式員要搬搬抬抬行山㗎, 仲冇廁所冇嘢食冇嘢飲添), 越嚟越多嘥氣嘅工序 (例如: 新apps又要特別字體, 調教顏色模式, 中文翻譯等等)

我喺第一個post話我哋喺度hea用ai寫, 但係根本就冇辦法唔用ai, 因為唔用ai你係會畀人丙, 當你飯桶; 公司多咗冇搭霎, 高要求嘅clients(有啲呼呼喝喝); 好撚心請啲學徒啦, 嗰啲學師仔喺大學或者工業學院(IVE)出嚟幫下手做下frontend都好呀, 幫下手做下QA係咁撳啲掣都好呀

更新2: 最搞笑就係上咗市之後嗰陣時個老細仲話你哋一定要勤力, 唔可以掘完個窿然後再擺返啲泥落去, 又話呢啲心態可以畀ai取代, 然後話會有獎勵又話專利又話會有股票, 但完全係大話; 可以睇到全部都係"美化言論"。

佢成日話乜乜ai取代我哋, 但好撚好笑就係公司係冇買ai plans。 你可以睇到啲人全部用自家供嘅git copilot, Microsoft copilot, Gemini等等。

戶外試apps係完全津貼或者勤工獎, 係要個個喺個袋攞錢去搭車, 冇乜嘢Uber速去速回; 要搭地鐵轉巴士, 有一次因為有深圳訪客, 老細叫咗架uber, 喺辦公室直接去到, 返嚟個車程淨係cover巴士嗰部分, 畀啲訪客直接搭地鐵返深圳, 而且我哋就要搭地鐵返去辦公室

所以每次百佳惠康自動checkout scan唔到一啲小人買嘅嘢, 嘟八達通嗰陣時打出嗰啲ERROR CODE 0x12928283 PLEASE TRY AGAIN, 或者點解MTR error會爆曬自己啲區網IP, 或者啲手機app會顯示一啲500 ERROR: { "erorrMess" cut off (我哋啲程式倚靠ex.Message)左嘅JSON火星文, 大家就知道點解呢啲事成日發生

 

[H U N T E R]

 

[AsiaCel]

更新3: 當我有幾年嘅web app經驗之後, 2025左右, 佢哋就整鳩我入去嗰啲高風險嘅apps (入面包括用戶資料驗證(全公司嘅ecosystem管理員大佬app), 公共利益同埋包括生死嘅apps); 我提及到嗰啲apps要我全部由template開始, 慢慢上網研究

我已經成為公司入面嘅"android專家", 連嗰啲senior都要問我點解做某啲嘢; 而且我係全部倚靠Gemini去做library/architecture/framework研究。

最好笑就係seniors而家反而做緊QA testers

我哋得兩部測試手機 (通常畀人借出去做field work), 一部超大screen, 第二部係大screen; 當啲人有部細電話見到啲按鈕變左隱形, 又要我搞餐懵。

基本上你可以話係我係一個眼殘嘅盲人揸緊14座小巴, 載住其他盲人乘客一車撞落山。

公司收皮唔係會唔會, 而係幾時; 成廿幾個app(點解淨係得啲高風險嘅app係我"擁有"?)得幾條友去管理, 全部都係API問題多多(BOLA係頭號殺手), 第一點解冇人hack我哋嘅原因, 係因為我哋太廢。

 

[mirrors]

Ou shi I was lwk thinking of moving to HK just in case I become le epik SWE

 

[z_ro]

Hong kangaroos with high ping tend to join Singapore server. They're skilled at Counter-Strike and aren't toxic, but Sinophobia is pretty strong on the server so Hong kangaroos who ended up here have faced quite a bit of racism. They've been called nigger by mainlanders, and they've also faced racism from jungle Asians. Brutal.

 

[ColderManTruce]

ching chong bing chilling .

 

[cripplecel]

CHIMG CHOMG CHING CHOMG

 

[AsiaCel]

更新4: 有關嗰隻生死app, 我寫咗個好撚專業嘅email畀我個同事, 又CC左畀管理睇

我話: 我哋會同個同事一齊會去做好多複雜嘅測試, 但牽涉到有關物理嘅嘢, 喺短短一個禮拜做曬嘅時候, 我哋唔可以全部情況都擔保隻垃圾app係安全

我仲喺我email話隻app幾咁多問題

個senior係真係好撚柒; 成日話其他人哋兩個人嘅細公司都寫到呢啲app, 點解你唔得 (我係唯一寫呢啲apps嘅人)

餵呀大佬呀, 人哋間細公司做咗咁多年, 唯一目的就係做嗰隻app, 專供嗰範疇, 又點可以同我哋比較嘅啫? 我哋執照又冇, QA又冇, documentation乜撚都冇, 唔好又要威又要戴頭盔啦

我要自己print續行續行試下咁多個functions係做啲乜嘢, 有乜嘢quirks, 連AI都幫唔到, 因為好多SDK乜柒都冇, 驚死寫咗會影響競爭力

又要listeners搭listeners, 基本上係複習版嘅async state machine management; 搞錯嗰啲threads, 隻app即死

如果搞嗰啲async唔夠豬頭骨嘅話, 好撚多功能根本上唔支援, 或者直情唔work(當然佢係唔會同你講啦), 要夾硬嚟寫啲Handler (計時function), atomic boolean, 去模擬啲功能 (當然係多bugs到死)

又要我bypass Google Play咁撚麻煩嘅page size要求 (呢個最終失敗, 因我費事掂嗰啲Xposed嗰啲黑客嘢, 同埋永遠唔可以再更新, 並且有一定嘅法律風險, 你改人哋嘅SDK師火嘢, 人哋梗係唔撚鋸)

 

[AsiaCel]

How has a.i been treating you? More or less workload?

Ou shi I was lwk thinking of moving to HK just in case I become le epik SWE

AI won't reduce workload. But it will slopify your work, and because management thinks you can do more, they will put tighter deadlines and demand more features

 

[AsiaCel]

更新5:

有人提及建議過: 點解你唔搬走呢?

我住喺我親戚買咗嘅公屋(交平租, 冇入息上限), 所以我基本上出生入死都係住喺呢條村度; 每日最有趣嘅就係150$嘅額外零用錢 (加殘疾搭車優惠), 同埋喺網上買啲買嘅遊戲物品; 我覺得呢年應該嘥咗萬幾蚊或者更多係啲虛擬空間嗰度; 我真係可以希望用啲錢喺現實度, 搞活動有好搞關係又好, 但係我日日就係心靈空虛, 非常無聊, 個責任又大(嗰啲生死apps)

其實我唔在乎窮撚身份, 但我去嗰啲社區中心全部都係阿婆阿伯, 同埋喺好多青年中心, 我個年紀已經過咗個歲數上限

 

[AsiaCel]

更新6: 我哋公司嘅apps喺供應好多唔同地方。

我諗好多apps都會違反大陸, 本地, 歐洲等等嘅安全或私隱法律(GDPR)

大家枱底交易, 一手交錢一手交貨, 笑騎騎咁樣隻眼開隻眼閉。

歐洲出名嚴格嘅私隱條例係一個口袋罪; 只要你唔爆料或者畀人hack嘅話, 基本上係形式主義, 嗰啲bureaucracy鬼得閒你呢隻app嗰啲GetUsers API會唔會爆曬啲個人資料畀人聽咩, 私隱checklists週邊符係一個填充練習。

 

[AsiaCel]

更新7: 我哋得幾條友寫code (都係乜都做, 但多數都係關個app), 同有幾個support (乜都做; 測試, 影片, 3D model, GIMP改圖, 翻譯, 基本HTML, 搬搬抬抬, 出去同客夾嘢, 法律等等); 好多嘢都係overlap咗

做dev係完全唔會畀到你尊重; support只會問你"可唔可以加呢個? 老細話要! 隻app你整出嚟㗎嘛, 做咩成日都係咁多bugs"

大家(support/devs)都係賺20k, 但我聽到有啲人喺個office嗰度話份量唔夠, 供唔夠佢做gym

我唔怪啲support, 但佢哋應該睇清楚management先係個問題

 

[cripplecel]

更新7: 我哋得幾條友寫code (都係乜都做, 但多數都係關個app), 同有幾個support (乜都做; 測試, 影片, 3D model, GIMP改圖, 翻譯, 基本HTML, 搬搬抬抬, 出去同客夾嘢, 法律等等); 好多嘢都係overlap咗

做dev係完全唔會畀到你尊重; support只會問你"可唔可以加呢個? 老細話要! 隻app你整出嚟㗎嘛, 做咩成日都係咁多bugs"

大家(support/devs)都係賺20k, 但我聽到有啲人喺個office嗰度話份量唔夠, 供唔夠佢做gym

我唔怪啲support, 但佢哋應該睇清楚management先係個問題

Phul saarport

 

[AsiaCel]

更新8: 有生死隻app係十分鐘之後就會lag機。

個app嗰個main activity係超級多listeners

我睇咗兩睇, 唔似我啲新apps, 舊app係開咗intent之後冇打flags, 所以如果你退後頁, 你可以返返去舊嘅main activity

係超級多listeners, 而且好多都係SDK背後幫你打入去, 所以我都唔知嗰啲memory leak點樣搞

我暫時由得佢先啦, 叫啲users預留多啲安全空間

 

[cripplecel]

memory leak

processWidget(std::unique_ptr<Widget>(new Widget), computePriority());

 

[AsiaCel]

更新10:

我哋公司係得兩個dev titles。

Office核心dev team得幾個人

Developer - 50%
Senior Developer - 50%

唔似政府或者大公司做, 係冇JP P AP SP PM SPM 呢啲咁嘅進度。

大多數嘅devs同埋support都係2024請, 得60%senior係201X入嚟公司仲停留喺公司嗰度

基本上成隊2024 team, 包括嗰個2024 senior, 已經全部日夜玩手機