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JFL Even if one isn’t an Incel Marriage is a Terrible Deal for Men in Western Society

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Common law marriage like that is fucking insane. The fact that men allowed that to be legal with rioting is baffling.
The xqc guy almost became a victim of that.
 
Yeah we are living in a mouse utopia experiment no one is going to want to have babies. Women will wait too long to have them and Men will grow so jaded by not having anything when young they’ll begin to no longer care anymore when they’re older.
So true... 34 and no woman or kids in sight... Def don't want to be old ass dad hoping to be alive to my kid turns 18 smh fuck it
 
So true... 34 and no woman or kids in sight... Def don't want to be old ass dad hoping to be alive to my kid turns 18 smh fuck it
>34
If you’re a white guy you’re still young enough to travel to Asia or something and have a kid it’s not too late, I hope to geomaxx sometime when I have money.

Fuck the west of you’re below average or hell even average you have no hope of having anything
 

View: https://youtu.be/LJIJskwzpUw
This video is more geared towards guys looking to get married and regardless of what he’s saying of course so many men lack the luxury of being choosy at all when it comes to dating/potential marriage. Still many of the points laid out here are good I think and it goes to show how most women are completely unmarriageable in the modern era assuming the man is using his head anyway.

Of course any lurkers will jump to the conclusion that we’re unmarriageable as well and perhaps that’s true in a sense (though we know that the dating market is lopsided heavily in favor of women at the moment based on online dating/speed dating/sex and relationship surveys so arguably most men are not choosy enough while women are too choosy), but even for men who are reasonably good looking, have great jobs, and really have their lives together the odds they’ll find a woman worth marrying even if the laws were less shit are in the gutter. Even if they did I’d argue the state of divorce law still makes it an objectively bad prospect given prenups can be tossed and inline with everything laid out in the thread thus far. Our society needs fix so many things but it won’t.
 
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I truly don't understand how more men aren't made aware just how bad of a deal marriage truly is in the West. I think someone should write out a professional-looking business contract for a business partnership, but in actuality it would describe exactly the marriage conditions in countries like the US. Then you would present the contract and ask random men if they would sign it.

I'll wager that 100% - or very close to it - would refuse to sign it. Then you reveal that this is, in fact, a contract that outlines exactly what a marriage is and watch them get instantly black pilled on Western marriage.
 
I truly don't understand how more men aren't made aware just how bad of a deal marriage truly is in the West. I think someone should write out a professional-looking business contract for a business partnership, but in actuality it would describe exactly the marriage conditions in countries like the US. Then you would present the contract and ask random men if they would sign it.

I'll wager that 100% - or very close to it - would refuse to sign it. Then you reveal that this is, in fact, a contract that outlines exactly what a marriage is and watch them get instantly black pilled on Western marriage.
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I think it’s probably a few things:

1) A ton of men are bluepilled due to a literal lifetime of top down propaganda and indoctrination training them against their own interests and drilling a false worldview into their minds in their youth.

2) Tying into 1 if you are a guy who talks about number 1 in public or vocally pushes back in Uni lectures or class or in friend groups or even in family you will be beat down into the ground shamed and humiliated for daring to challenge the status quo — it’s basically always the same strategy too where the majority just calls you isms and phobes and otherwise attacks your character/calls you a misogynist who hates women or who’s a virgin who can’t laid etc etc you know the drill. This leads most men to keep their mouth shut even if they notice and most people have a strong desire to fit in.

3) There is a huge amount of pressure from family and from guy’s girlfriends and even from people like your Boomer boss where basically everyone else in society is pushing young men to get married — and they’re doing this despite it really being a very obvious bad deal for the guys when you look long form and consider the outcomes (and also the ridiculous cost of weddings up front for that matter). For the work one boomer bosses tend to look down on guys with girlfriends and not wives, you can’t use company insurance for a gf it has to be a wife, basically the older generations disrespect young men who date without getting married and this bias is pretty strong from what I’ve seen.

4) We all know women have a lot of options at any given time — I’ve talked to Chad lites I’ve worked with before where they don’t want to get married but if they don’t their long time gf will leave them or both of their families are upset by their not being married that kinda thing. It’s pretty sick to be honest — it would be fine if the laws weren’t so fucked and if divorce courts weren’t so fucked and if men weren’t the ones doing way more financially and in terms of their blood sweat and tears to carry the marriages (women will vehemently fail against that statement but they’re wrong when you look at the big picture — being a stay at home mom is way easier than working a soul crushing 9 to 5 unless you’re one of the lucky with an easy/cushy job — also men’s jobs tend to be the dirty shitty ones whereas women’s jobs tend to be fake bullshit like HR).

What’s really nutty as an aside observation is that even rather good looking archetypal dudes I’ve worked with in the recent past are very very obviously trading down when I see their girlfriends. Eg the guy makes way more money at a harder job, has a higher status, and is better looking on scale compared to their girlfriend — or their girlfriend will be like 7 years older than them, weird shit like that. Things have gotten broken and out of wack in the dating landscape that I have no idea how the guys are gonna be happy in those relationships.
 
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