using your logic to the extreme how long should a man try before being classified as an incel?
100, 10000?
i accept all into the cold embrace of inceldom as long as they have atleast been rejected a few times.
This is what I would use as my criteria
At least 20 cold approaches and at least 10 attempts to ask out a female that you interact with often (at school, university, work, etc)
If you don't have any women that you interact with, then you will never know if its really just looks, because no woman has had to chance to "like your personality", you've never made a woman laugh, went out to eat with her, etc, then you can't know for sure its your lack of looks keeping you from getting a date
REQUIREMENTS: BEING DRESSED DECENTLY, AND HAVING SHOWERED, AND BEING WELL GROOMED (ELSE IT DOESN'T COUNT)
If you keep failing in all those instances and even see looks of disgust on women's faces, there's no point in continuing to try
I know for a fact it comes down to looks for me, because every place I go I'm the guy making people laugh, the guy people want on their shift because I lighten the mood, etc, but I can never get a date
I did a lot of cold approaching at university, I really tried during that time, and I always asked for numbers and tried to make friends with as much people as possible, nothing worked
Now I don't bother trying because its a waste of time, so my efforts are focused on building wealth
At least I know I can leave that path behind without any regrets, I won't have any "what if" questions, because I know that path is closed to me, I did all that I could do
Seriously you guys have no idea, I literally have a different personality, extremely different, than the one I had before university, I forced myself out of being shy and started being more "out going", it did not make a difference
You can become a completely different person, but if you aren't good looking enough it doesn't matter, personality does not matter
Been there, done that.
Still doing it once in a while.
Still doesn't work...
I would say after a certain point there's no point in "retrying" it, you'd just be wasting your time and revisiting a state of mind that makes you depressed, it will only bring back up bad memories