Discussion You are everything.

[Shinichi]

There's that famous fight club quote, " you're not your house. You're not your car. You're not your job, this is you". That line fits with the whole theme of the movie which is + i-capitalism and corporate America. It was a pushback from this idea that buying shit will make you happy and that if you're just on your life treadmill of working a dead end job, you'll find happiness. Obviously most of us on this board can agree to that to some extent. However, I do actually disagree with that quote in particular.
Everyone here knows that when someone, especially a woman chase some shit like I don't care about looks it's all personality, we know that that's patently bullshit. More than ever and that personality is just a fucking extra topping at best. However, we need to expand on this. You aren't just your looks or your personality. You're also your money that you have, your job, your social status, your family, social status, and so on and so forth. You are the child of your parents, the grandchild of your grandparents and the great-grandchild of your great grandparents. There is no true "individual". You are everything that's around you. Not to sound like a communist but we are in fact a collective and the fact that voids have no accountability and are just spreading STDs like crazy is hurting our shared collective body.

 

[Fallen-Angel]

Attempt at philosophical thinking, eh?

 

[Shinichi]

Attempt at philosophical thinking, eh?

Not trying to be big brain. Just a thought that came to me

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Too autistic to even understand what the idea behind that quote was supposed to be.

I'm indeed not a car. And I don't necessarily require a car to be happy. But it sure as hell is much easier to be happy owning one. Being seen in an expensive one might make me look cool and desirable.

Seems to me just like the following happened:
1. Average standard of living rises
2. As such, it becomes increasingly difficult to differentiate yourself through material means from the people below you on the status hierarchy (kind like how good gear in World of Warcraft became a less and less accurate indicator of player skill as everyone got more and more of it)
3. Upper class can still do it, but middle and lower middle need to find a new way
4. Anti-consumerism as a movement evolves because it serves the needs of not all that successful middle class people by putting them at the top of a potential social hierarchy.

Low class people mindlessly crave material wealth, while upper class people already are in possession of it. In my eyes, the anti-consumerist sentiment exists because middle class people are trying to push a status hierarchy where both those are 'sinful' action. Consciously choosing not to seek wealth but instead something else, "something more meaningful and deep", is actually the highest status thing to do (also an easy choice after you already tried and failed to get rich + if you aren't close to starving and have a decent live-style secured, lmao)!

 

[Shinichi]

Too autistic to even understand what the idea behind that quote was supposed to be.

I'm indeed not a car. And I don't necessarily require a car to be happy. But it sure as hell is much easier to be happy owning one. Being seen in an expensive one might make me look cool and desirable.

Seems to me just like the following happened:
1. Average standard of living rises
2. As such, it becomes increasingly difficult to differentiate yourself through material means from the people below you on the status hierarchy (kind like how good gear in World of Warcraft became a less and less accurate indicator of player skill as everyone got more and more of it)
3. Upper class can still do it, but middle and lower middle need to find a new way
4. Anti-consumerism as a movement evolves because it serves the needs of not all that successful middle class people by putting them at the top of a potential social hierarchy.

Low class people mindlessly crave material wealth, while upper class people already are in possession of it. In my eyes, the anti-consumerist sentiment exists because middle class people are trying to push a status hierarchy where both those are 'sinful' action. Consciously choosing not to seek wealth but instead something else, "something more meaningful and deep", is actually the highest status thing to do (also an easy choice after you already tried and failed to get rich + if you aren't close to starving and have a decent live-style secured, lmao)!

Thanks for IQ logging the shit out of me. What I was attempting to convey was that the inner beauty of one's personality isn't what you truly are. You are your looks (we know this) , and you are mine/"soul"/personality. But you are, on an even greater level, part of a higher and deeper community. Your race, your, family and your family's status, your job and the status and rank of your employment. All of these things coalesce holistically into who you are.

 

[Emba]

Brutal youpill

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Thanks for IQ logging the shit out of me. What I was attempting to convey was that the inner beauty of one's personality isn't what you truly are. You are your looks (we know this) , and you are mine/"soul"/personality. But you are, on an even greater level, part of a higher and deeper community. Your race, your, family and your family's status, your job and the status and rank of your employment. All of these things coalesce holistically into who you are.

And I would agree with all of that. We are social creatures and we define ourselves and are defined by others through all the aspects of our live, including our material wealth, status, people connected to you and so on.

But even excluding the social dimension, even if you were completely alone as the last survivor after the apocalypse, who you are, what you feel, think can and will do is all influenced by countless factors, including what things are in you possession.

As I said, I'm too autistic to understand the normie magic which allows them to just say these phrases and go along with the pretense while ignoring the somewhat sinister intentions lurking barely below the surface.

 

[Grodd]

No being everything for your face