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Why Russia has to fight on, possibly for years to come

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The West is happy to end the war here on these lines. Then Russia would get about 20% of Ukraine's area and 20% of Ukraine's population. But why it is so problematic for Russia is that would mean the West gets the other 80% of Ukraine. With 80% of Ukraine in the West, in the decades to come, there will be this growing political pressure in Belarus and Russia to go with Ukraine to the West. The Russians know through their history there are crises that come from time to time, and when the next internal crisis comes, the West would then exploit that to possibly take over. That is why Russia has said that it views if Ukraine joins the West, then Russia is indefensible over the long run.

Ok, so then what can Russia do. Well Russia has to fight on over years, to hopefully break the Ukrainian army, and take over most of Ukraine. There is logic to the way Russia has fought the war. You try for the heroic sweeping attack at the start to end the war fast. Then if that doesn't work, you have a long grinding war ahead of you. In a long war, it has become industrial warfare. Instead of going for daring maneuvers, its a production line of conscripts, weapons factories, logistics, etc.
 
Russia will not win.
 
Russia will not win.
It will "win" with hundreds of thousands of men lost, destroying their workforce. If they then import immigrants to replace them, Russia will become a Central Asian Muslim hellhole, thus losing any relevancy.
 
Imagine dying for jewish elites on both sides ohh im so patriotic im dying for some crap land that wont contribute whatsover in my life or the state
 
It will "win" with hundreds of thousands of men lost, destroying their workforce. If they then import immigrants to replace them, Russia will become a Central Asian Muslim hellhole, thus losing any relevancy.

Russia is importing about 330,000 people a year from Central Asian Muslim countries. Thing is it will have to increase that likely in time, as Russia is losing something like 600,000 people a year from births minus deaths. Within Russia the Muslim peoples also have higher birthrates than other Russians.


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It will "win" with hundreds of thousands of men lost, destroying their workforce. If they then import immigrants to replace them, Russia will become a Central Asian Muslim hellhole, thus losing any relevancy.
yep, along with demographic crisis they face, they will be completely fucked
 
Russia is importing about 330,000 people a year from Central Asian Muslim countries. Thing is it will have to increase that likely in time, as Russia is losing something like 600,000 people a year from births minus deaths. Within Russia the Muslim peoples also have higher birthrates than other Russians.


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It has already been proven that the reason for Russia having the "highest" fertility rate in Europe is due to the fact that the only regions in Russia with a fertility rate of 2.1+ are Chechnya and Dagestan and the Tatars.
446000 abortions happened in Russia in 2021.
 
And they still have a very high abortion rate.
yep
generally i many on /pol/ belevied in based russia meme :lul: :lul: :lul:
the truth is that russian society is just if not more decaying than western one, drug( krokodil ) addicts, abortions, completely fucked up economy, joke 'military' and completely bleak future

not to mention that just like you said they have muzzie problem with central asians ( violent savages ) than arabs and blacks and just like in west young russians don't believe in christian doctrine
only good thing russia is good for is exporting their women ( really even in SEA there are russian escorts )

@Transcended Trucel
@thespanishcel
 
It has already been proven that the reason for Russia having the "highest" fertility rate in Europe is due to the fact that the only regions in Russia with a fertility rate of 2.1+ are Chechnya and Dagestan and the Tatars.
446000 abortions happened in Russia in 2021.

For Russia to get its demographic power back like it had in the past, it will need masses of Central Asian Muslims and their high fertility rates.

On the other hand it might change Russia into a trainwreck nation like an Afghanistan or Pakistan.
 
yep
generally i many on /pol/ belevied in based russia meme :lul: :lul: :lul:
the truth is that russian society is just if not more decaying than western one, drug( krokodil ) addicts, abortions, completely fucked up economy, joke 'military' and completely bleak future

not to mention that just like you said they have muzzie problem with central asians ( violent savages ) than arabs and blacks and just like in west young russians don't believe in christian doctrine
only good thing russia is good for is exporting their women ( really even in SEA there are russian escorts )

@Transcended Trucel
@thespanishcel
You can make the arguement that Western society is less degenerate than Russia. I have yet to see any churchgoing young Russian. I have seen a few (though a minority) young westerners though.
 
It will "win" with hundreds of thousands of men lost, destroying their workforce. If they then import immigrants to replace them, Russia will become a Central Asian Muslim hellhole, thus losing any relevancy.
This is why, whether Russia keeps some Ukrainian territory, it still loses, for these reasons you stated. And Ukraine has gained sympathy and will be on a path to join NATO and possibly the EU.
 
For Russia to get its demographic power back like it had in the past, it will need masses of Central Asian Muslims and their high fertility rates.

On the other hand it might change Russia into a trainwreck nation like an Afghanistan or Pakistan.
It will. And the good thing is that it will lose its relevance.
 
This is why, whether Russia keeps some Ukrainian territory, it still loses, for these reasons you stated. And Ukraine has gained sympathy and will be on a path to join NATO and possibly the EU.
Even if Russia had taken over the ENTIRE Ukraine, it wouldn't have been good for it. They would have to face a permanent resistance by Ukrainian rebels, meaning that their army would be permanately deployed in Ukraine, unable to continue any more advances.
 
yep and in future possible balkanization
Probably true. There's a huge fight to prevent Mudslimes from contructing a Mosque near an Orthodox Church in Moscow.
 
generally i many on /pol/ belevied in based russia
I Always find it funny when normies actually think Poland and Russia are conservative countries.
 
I Always find it funny when normies actually think Poland and Russia are conservative countries.

My normie Irish friend still thinks Polish women are good Catholic traditional women.
 
My normie Irish friend still thinks Polish women are good Catholic traditional women.
yep couldn't be more wrong, polish women are only minimal less degenerate than american ones and probably just degenerate as french, german
 
Russia will not win.
yeah my guess is they'll either maintain the same amount of land they've already won or lose entirely.
yep
generally i many on /pol/ belevied in based russia meme :lul: :lul: :lul:
the truth is that russian society is just if not more decaying than western one, drug( krokodil ) addicts, abortions, completely fucked up economy, joke 'military' and completely bleak future

not to mention that just like you said they have muzzie problem with central asians ( violent savages ) than arabs and blacks and just like in west young russians don't believe in christian doctrine
only good thing russia is good for is exporting their women ( really even in SEA there are russian escorts )

@Transcended Trucel
@thespanishcel
Russia wasted its potential. They'll be stuck now as a second world country becoming third world forever. I have to agree with Russia possibly being more degenerate than the west at this point. Starting a war unnecessarily, tons of abortions, extreme corruption. Can't be considered anything but degenerate
Even if Russia had taken over the ENTIRE Ukraine, it wouldn't have been good for it. They would have to face a permanent resistance by Ukrainian rebels, meaning that their army would be permanately deployed in Ukraine, unable to continue any more advances.
theh would have to spend tons of money trying to crackdown internal rebellion. Putin didn't think this war thru enough
 
polish women are only minimal less degenerate than american ones and probably just degenerate as french, german
Slavic foids tend to be very cruel so you can say they are worse in that regard.
 
theh would have to spend tons of money trying to crackdown internal rebellion. Putin didn't think this war thru enough
That's because he never thought it was going to be a war. That's why they call it "Special military operation". Putin thought that a few Russian soldiers would cross the border and the Ukrainians (which are totally just Russians too) would welcome them with open arms.
 
Slavic foids tend to be very cruel so you can say they are worse in that regard.
yep as pole can confirm it, are you slav too ?
besides that worst part of gender relations between slavs men and women is simping of slavic men for their female counterparts
serbian, polish men brag about their women being beautiful
 
with literally gaining nothing in return
 
yep as pole can confirm it, are you slav too ?
Yes, I was born in Poland, but i have lived most of my life in western europe.

Slavic countries treat non-chad men like shit, The women can be liberal but the men must be trad and work like a robot.
 
islamo-eurasian mutts are ukraine maxxing

"BLYAAAAAAAT!"

Bylaaaaaaaaaaaaat
 
It will "win" with hundreds of thousands of men lost, destroying their workforce. If they then import immigrants to replace them, Russia will become a Central Asian Muslim hellhole, thus losing any relevancy.
Russia will never reach such level of migrant acceptance as Sweden, Germany or UK. So it's Europeans who need to be concerned about immigration more.

Tens of millions black Africans probably enter EU in following years, changing Europe completely.
 
Russia will never reach such level of migrant acceptance as Sweden, Germany or UK. So it's Europeans who need to be concerned about immigration more.

9 million Central Asians are in Russia. Russia has the largest Muslim population in Europe.

Tens of millions black Africans probably enter EU in following years, changing Europe completely.
Source on that? :feelskek:
 
You can make the arguement that Western society is less degenerate than Russia. I have yet to see any churchgoing young Russian. I have seen a few (though a minority) young westerners though.
I'm sure tranny politicians don't exist in Russia.
 
islamo-eurasian mutts are ukraine maxxing

"BLYAAAAAAAT!"

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Westerners think that being 'Asiatic' is somehow bad while many EE countries will never reach the levels of cultural sophistication and economic development similar to the countries such as Japan, Korea, non-Communist China ( Taiwan ).
 
In one sense Russia is winning.. it has gained more ground since the start of the war. If Russia wants what I would consider the complete victory.. with the West of Ukraine going to Poland and Hungary, and the rest of Ukraine to Russia. Plus probably Moldova joining Russia. Then its going to be a long war.

Putin himself said Russia's main aim is basically the land bridge + Donetsk & Luhansk provinces. The minimum goal that Russia could reasonably claim victory is probably if it keeps the land bridge + Luhansk province + is able to push to the borders of Donetsk province.
 
Common sense. Look at how fast African population is growing.
"Look"? I live in the second biggest city in my country I haven't seen a black face in weeks. :feelskek: I almost never saw any Africans in Berlin, Vienna and Brussels when I traveled there.
 
Westerners think that being 'Asiatic' is somehow bad while many EE countries will never reach the levels of cultural sophistication and economic development similar to the countries such as Japan, Korea, non-Communist China ( Taiwan ).
asiatic means in this context a turks and tungoids
 
yep
generally i many on /pol/ belevied in based russia meme :lul: :lul: :lul:
the truth is that russian society is just if not more decaying than western one, drug( krokodil ) addicts, abortions, completely fucked up economy, joke 'military' and completely bleak future

not to mention that just like you said they have muzzie problem with central asians ( violent savages ) than arabs and blacks and just like in west young russians don't believe in christian doctrine
only good thing russia is good for is exporting their women ( really even in SEA there are russian escorts )

@Transcended Trucel
@thespanishcel
Even church attendance in Russia is very low and similar to western countries. The whole orthodox church with traditional mass is a meme kek it's mostly old people who go there.
 
"Look"? I live in the second biggest city in my country I haven't seen a black face in weeks. :feelskek: I almost never saw any Africans in Berlin, Vienna and Brussels when I traveled there.
I don't mean growing in your country :feelskek:. I mean per se. Like barbarians flooded the dying Roman empire, what stops Africans to enter Europe?
Btw, even in my relatively poor country, I see blacks almost every week.
 
I don't mean growing in your country :feelskek:. I mean per se. Like barbarians flooded the dying Roman empire, what stops Africans to enter Europe?
Btw, even in my relatively poor country, I see blacks almost every week.
This isn't happening. I disagree with the immigrant policies of Western European countries, but there's no evidence to suggest that Europeans will become a minority within a few decades (the latest survey of 2021 revealed that less than 5% of France's population is Muslim contesting Pew's research that said it was 8.8%, and the latest survey in Germany showed that the Muslim population was 5.4-5.7%, also contesting previous research that said it was over 7%).
Yes, if you run a simulation, Europeans will eventually become minorities in their countries over 100 years, but many things can and will change. Mainly, Europeans will be replaced by conservative Europeans who have more children and then migrants will likely be deported.
 

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Well they are more or less backed into a corner so even if the war ends tomorrow with peace negotiations then Russia's leaders already lost their face
 
Люди... А вы те еще свиньи, оказывается

People. What have we done to all of you? Why are you so hateful? What have we done to you, @To koniec ? You told me that you are cool with russians! What is wrong?

Jesus. Goddamn. Christ. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST why? Why are you so hateful towards us? Lets pick Greece apart, would that be good with you, @LesscoBlob , mister SoCool? Or you wont care, you are too cool for that? Jesus. It is very sad to read all this from you all, 'community'. We are going down, we know that, do not put it in my face! Migrants? Wow. Like you are better in that department.. Maybe you should focus on your own states?

господи помилуй. Вы такие свиноты иногда

And the Greece, and Polska are great countries, mind you. Just like Russia
 
Люди... А вы те еще свиньи, оказывается

People. What have we done to all of you? Why are you so hateful? What have we done to you, @To koniec ? You told me that you are cool with russians! What is wrong?

Jesus. Goddamn. Christ. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST why? Why are you so hateful towards us? Lets pick Greece apart, would that be good with you, @LesscoBlob , mister SoCool? Or you wont care, you are too cool for that? Jesus. It is very sad to read all this from you all, 'community'. We are going down, we know that, do not put it in my face! Migrants? Wow. Like you are better in that department.. Maybe you should focus on your own states?

господи помилуй. Вы такие свиноты иногда

And the Greece, and Polska are great countries, mind you. Just like Russia
Russians I've met irl have been insufferable arrogant cunts
 
also filthy Russian war ruined my stocks maxxing
 
Russians I've met irl have been insufferable arrogant cunts
I know, that russians can be bad, that our populace is bad

But still. Dont know about others - i ama patriot of my state. It really pains me, when i see people that dont live here pick my state apart.. i am okay with that, if you actually live here

Just.. Not all of us are bad. Please. Know that.. i dont want anything bad to any of you!
 

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