Why men actually are entitled to sex

[Deleted member 10531]

Firstly, to IT and lurkers, don't think that my opinion is the objective opinion of the community, we can make up our own minds, we aren't a monolithic hivemind

It's a common thing to hear in the incel community, that "we don't actually think we are entitled to sex", but I'd make the case that men actually are entitled to sex, and more specifically reproduction.

There are mainly two reasons for the existence of societies, for men, and that is 1. to decrease the mortality rate of the members, and prolong lifespans, and 2. to decrease the extreme competitiveness of reproduction, and to streamline reproduction and access to women(in pre-historic tribal societies, about 1 man reproduced for every 17 women)

When society fails to provide either of these, it begins to break down (such as, or like we demonstrate, the popularity of the NEET lifestyle among incel communities)

When society does not safeguard the access of women that men have, and as, inevitably following from that, inceldom grows (as it is doing, just look at the celibacy statistics), productivity decreases, crime goes up, and ultimately, society begins to break down.

Taking this into account, it's not so crazy to believe anymore that society, be it a group, tribe, city, country or interplanetary colony, should reward men sexually (just like we are paid with money)based on their contribution to that community/society

 

[TheSecondComing]

yikeronies, sweaty. wymyns have rights and shit.

 

[FrothySolutions]

That's not why today's societies exist. Today's societies exist to protect people's "inalienable rights."

 

[Cro magnon]

Sexual intimacy and affection is one of the fundamentals of maslows heirarchy of needs, on the same level as having friends and family. Surely cucks cant tell me im not entitled to friends and family? But as you age and your libido drops you realise its about more than sex and simply escortceling wont suffice. Sex in itself is rather primitive and superficial and its the yearning for a partner who i know wont cuck me is a desire i will likely never satisfy.

 

[FinnCel]

OP is right.
There is a reason why millennials are considered "lazy".
There simply is no reason to work as you get nothing in return

 

[Romello Gaghan 2]

we aren't a monolithic hivemind

 

[WheelsofConfusion]

The scales are tilted. Modern women are getting exactly what they want: attention and validation (thanks to dating apps) but a decent portion of men are not. You simply cannot alienate a large portion of society and get away with it

 

[Deleted member 20207]

The societal collapse is inevitable. Cucks have been warned.

 

[needsolution]

That's not why today's societies exist. Today's societies exist to protect people's "inalienable rights."

 

[Deleted member 10531]

That's not why today's societies exist. Today's societies exist to protect people's "inalienable rights."

Incorrect. Ultimately the reason why societies exist is because of the aforementioned reasons, modern societies just wrap a veil around it, but "protecting inalienable rights"; is not the reason why the concept of society is so appealing to humans

 

[Phaoni]

You're entitled to sex because it's a primary need to touch a woman. Can a man do anything professional if he's a KHHV anyway?

 

[needsolution]

Incorrect. Ultimately the reason why societies exist is because of the aforementioned reasons, modern societies just wrap a veil around it, but "protecting inalienable rights"; is not the reason why the concept of society is so appealing to humans

i hate society in any way so it doesnt matter if i have to be honest

 

[Vermilioncore]

I deserve to fuck

 

[Damo the incel]

didn't read lol
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[iblamemyself]

Taking this into account, it's not so crazy to believe anymore that society, be it a group, tribe, city, country or interplanetary colony, should reward men sexually (just like we are paid with money)based on their contribution to that community/society

So much this. Why can't I at least get a few blowjobs or fuck some roastie ass. If she finds me ugly, I would gladly wear a mask.

 

[Evildоer]

The societal collapse is inevitable. Cucks have been warned.

It won't go like that for long, agreed. It was predicted years ago, but now you have to be blind to not see how absurdly it goes, even normies may go for a year without a date/sex, not normal at all, current state of hypergamy is already a meme, and we're infinitely far from its limit

 

[Firefly]

(in pre-historic tribal societies, about 1 man reproduced for every 17 women)

wait wait wait wtf?! Why?! How?!
And how was it even possible to get that info and statistics?

 

[tooth monster]

yikeronies, sweaty. wymyns have rights and shit.

 

[Deleted member 10531]

8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

An analysis of modern DNA uncovers a rough dating scene after the advent of agriculture.

psmag.com

wait wait wait wtf?! Why?! How?!
And how was it even possible to get that info and statistics?

 

[Hate_my_life]

didn't read lol
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[Deleted member 18912]

It is healthy and essential to their well being, and having a positive mindset in life.
Well, for most men that is.
The power of fertility and validation does wonders in a man´s psyche.

 

[Sheogorath]

Entitlement is somewhat subjective, but since women appear to have "reproductive rights" (ie we can't simply sterilize them when they pop out babies they can't provide for) then shouldn't men as well?

If it is moral for women who can snatch a sperm to reproduce without a man's consent, then men should also be able to force women to reproduce without their own consent.

If, however, it becomes acceptible to sterilize women who reproduce irresponsibly, and men are never on the hook for child support, I will then begin to consider their reproductive rights.

 

[Mystic]

The societal collapse is inevitable. Cucks have been warned.

 

[Deleted member 10531]

I will then begin to consider their reproductive rights.

No rights 4 foids, not now, not tomorrow

 

[FrothySolutions]

Incorrect. Ultimately the reason why societies exist is because of the aforementioned reasons, modern societies just wrap a veil around it, but "protecting inalienable rights"; is not the reason why the concept of society is so appealing to humans

If that's not what makes it so appealing, why is that the defense people go to when arguing against incel suggestions for solutions? Why do they say "No to that idea, because I have rights?"

 

[narcissist]

didn't read lol
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[Deleted member 10531]

If that's not what makes it so appealing, why is that the defense people go to when arguing against incel suggestions for solutions? Why do they say "No to that idea, because I have rights?"

Because people like their rights? Obviously, I've never argued against that

 

[FrothySolutions]

Because people like their rights? Obviously, I've never argued against that

But if people like their rights, how is that not their main component to a society?

 

[Magnanimity]

Carrol Quigley, in The Evolution of Civilization, suggests that civilizations begin to break down when their instruments for expansion are in decline, generally spurned on by the institutionalization of that instrument. By instrument of expansion, Quigley suggest that three things be true: 1) the society must be organized in such a way that it has an incentive to invent new ways of doing things; 2) it must be organized in such a way that somewhere in the society there is accumulation of surplus--that is, some persons in the society control more wealth than they wish to consume immediately; and 3) it must be organized in such a way that the surplus which is being accumulated is being used to pay for or to utilize the new inventions.

The rate at which men reproduce has skyrocketed from the period ~8,000 years ago where ratios of men to women's reproduction could be as disparaging as 1:17--and yet, aside from the dip that we see in men reproductive rates, women's have risen more steadily by approximately the same ratio, despite historical periods of "enforced monogamy" where adultery has been punished. To suggest, though, that this dip in male reproductive rates ~8,000 years ago is the result of hypergamy (that women were able to choose their partners) in the absence of 'enforced monogamy' is a lie--if you look at the graph here you'll see that male to female reproductive rates improved about about equal prior to that 10,000 year mark--what happened in the intervening time was not the result of increased women's rights. The truth is, the reality of the situation, is that women have typically been considered the property of men--and far from the truth that hypergamy was the norm, the reason for this is much more likely that pre-civilization societies accruing surplus due to the onset of the agricultural revolution began to direct power into the hands of a smaller minority of men. Throughout human history and the onset of civilization we see a common theme of men who would have any combination of wives, concubines and slaves; meanwhile, men began fighting and dying off in unprecedented numbers (by population percentage). What is more likely than hypergamy is that in these agricultural tribes, that hierarchies of men were formed with a ruler at the top, an elite caste below them, and then many slaves that would work and wage wars, mostly over livestock, but women too.

The truth is, we have no idea where men's reproductive rates are going--but what we can say for certain is that enforced monogamy is an unlikely answer, and that to blame women's rights on the disparity in men and women's reproductive rates is incredibly dishonest, given that the timescale that we are looking at where men have ruled is over ten-thousand years, where as women's rights are a relatively new phenomenon that have occurred increasingly so throughout history and especially so within the past couple of centuries.

Entitlement is somewhat subjective, but since women appear to have "reproductive rights" (ie we can't simply sterilize them when they pop out babies they can't provide for) then shouldn't men as well?

If it is moral for women who can snatch a sperm to reproduce without a man's consent, then men should also be able to force women to reproduce without their own consent.

If, however, it becomes acceptible to sterilize women who reproduce irresponsibly, and men are never on the hook for child support, I will then begin to consider their reproductive rights.

Rather than framing this question as, "Since women have reproductive rights, then men should be able to rape women." it may be altogether more practical to make a case for why you feel that men deserve to have certain reproductive rights, such as the right to not have their sperm stolen.

 

[Deleted member 16455]

i am entitled to sex. it should be granted to me as reperations

 

[Deleted member 10531]

But if people like their rights, how is that not their main component to a society?

People like ice cream, and it isn't the main component to society either.

See, the reason why communal life and city building originally took rise, is because of the reasons I mentioned. All societies are fundamentally the same, as all societies that could ever exist, are grounded on those reasons, whether people realize that or not

 

[truthpill]

but a decent portion of men are not.

*90% of men

 

[Deleted member 18435]

You are speaking facts and nothing but.

 

[vantablackpilled]

Entitlement is somewhat subjective, but since women appear to have "reproductive rights" (ie we can't simply sterilize them when they pop out babies they can't provide for) then shouldn't men as well?

If it is moral for women who can snatch a sperm to reproduce without a man's consent, then men should also be able to force women to reproduce without their own consent.

 

[TheNEET]

There simply is no reason to work as you get nothing in return

truer words have never been said

 

[Murdoch89]

This thread was talked about on that cuck normie site FSTDT

 

[Deleted member 10531]

This thread was talked about on that cuck normie site FSTDT

link me that shit bro

 

[JohnnySalami]

link me that shit bro

Link me it too

 

[Salustio]

I agree that we are entitled to sex.

 

[SchrodingersDick]

no man will comply or contribute to the system if the system can not adequately reward him with genetic immortality.

Coersion works only for those who fear death.

compliance must be better than death for coercion to work

And if compliance means a lonely life of mundane activities, cog in the machine, hard to say that’s an existence preferable to death.

Thus a sexless man is impossible to control

it will be obvious in the coming years why it’s imperative that female sexuality be restricted, and why it’s imperative that every man have a hole to fuck. Female driven sexual selection is at its peak now, it’s a matter of time before we start seeing the real effects of it. There’s no coping around it.

Money is not the real currency that makes the world go round. Pussy is. Money is just a means to get pussy/eggs/genetic immortality. Pussy is nature’s currency/opium.. it loses its power if you can’t harness it and use it as leverage... The point of civilization is to no longer be subject to natural/sexual selection, but for some reason men figured it would be a good idea to completely unchain female sexuality, to devalue money by giving it to them without taking sexual access in return, to invent high efficiency eugenics platforms, and stack all the odds in women’s favor so it becomes impossible to lose at life in any meaningful way for those who have eggs.