Why isn't the Russian T80 Tank mass produced like the T72-B3 and T90-M?

[Justanotherbloke]

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[Roastie Crusher]

because they can be destroyed by a drone under $20k

 

[PersonalityChad]

No need to since it's mogged by the T-90 i suppose

because they can be destroyed by a drone under $20k

Just like the Leopard and most other Westoid tanks

 

[Justanotherbloke]

because they can be destroyed by a drone under $20k

Yea just like the t72 right? Maybe they are not as proven in modern day combat as the reliable t72's and its upgraded successor.... I've heard the t90M is for the 'spetsnaz' Tank brigades so really elite ones

 

[DarthBurritoBastard]

T-80 is much more expensive, it has a turbine engine, and a different automatic reloading system

 

[Justanotherbloke]

No need to since it's mogged by the T-90 i suppose

Just like the Leopard and most other Westoid tanks

Both have their ups and downs, but I like Russian tank models more cause they have a lower profile

 

[Justanotherbloke]

T-80 is much more expensive, it has a turbine engine, and a different automatic reloading system

Yea well t90M is also expensive right? And what about the BTR-82A and VDV airborne vehicles such as new BMD3? They are newer generations but mass produced, even the T90's

 

[Justanotherbloke]

T-80 is much more expensive, it has a turbine engine, and a different automatic reloading system

I think cause they are not as reliable and proven in combat

 

[Knajjd]

High fuel use, production cost and maintenance due to gas turbine?

 

[V c z s q e]

I could be wrong but I thought they produced them in ukraine before. Likely the main reason they don't build as many

 

[Justanotherbloke]

I could be wrong but I thought they produced them in ukraine before. Likely the main reason they don't build as many

I think I already know why, it's cause not proven effective enough in combat to outclass the well known, good old t72b3.

However there are T80's in active service by VDV, it's called the T80 BVM.
They are used in Ukraine, but don't see them often hence the question

 

[Roastie Crusher]

I think I already know why, it's cause not proven effective enough in combat to outclass the well known, good old t72b3.

However there are T80's in active service by VDV, it's called the T80 BVM.
They are used in Ukraine, but don't see them often hence the question

according to perplexity:
The Russian T-80 tank is not mass-produced like the T-72B3 and T-90M for several reasons related to its production history, operational requirements, and strategic considerations.

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• : The T-80 was produced in lower numbers compared to the T-72, which was designed for mass production. The T-80's production began in the late 1970s and was intended as a more advanced alternative to the T-64, featuring a gas turbine engine. However, its high fuel consumption and operational limitations led to fewer units being built overall139.

1. : The T-80 and T-72 originate from different design bureaus, with the T-80 being developed by the Kirov Factory in Leningrad and the T-72 by Uralvagonzavod. This separation means that each tank has distinct production lines and tooling, complicating mass production of the T-80 compared to the more widely produced T-7212.

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• : The Russian military has a diverse range of tanks suited for different roles. The T-72B3 serves as a reliable workhorse for most mechanized units due to its simplicity and cost-effectiveness, while the T-90M represents a more advanced option for elite units. The T-80, while capable, is often reserved for specific conditions, such as operations in colder climates where its gas turbine engine offers advantages239.

1. : Instead of producing new T-80s, Russia has focused on upgrading existing models from storage. This approach allows them to maintain a fleet without incurring the costs associated with new production. For example, upgrades like the T-80BVM have been implemented on older models rather than starting fresh production lines29.

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• : The Omsk factory, which historically produced the T-80, has not manufactured new hulls since 1991 and may lack the necessary suppliers for parts required for new builds. This limitation affects Russia's ability to ramp up production of the T-80 compared to other models like the T-72 and T-909 .

1. : Given current military needs and logistics, Russia has prioritized producing tanks that can be manufactured more efficiently and in greater numbers. The ongoing conflict has led to urgent requirements for tanks that can be quickly deployed, making it more practical to focus on existing models like the T-72B3 and T-90M24.

In summary, while the T-80 remains an important part of Russia's armored forces, its complex history, operational role, manufacturing limitations, and strategic focus on other tank models have resulted in it not being mass-produced like the T-72B3 and T-90M.

 

[Justanotherbloke]

according to perplexity:
The Russian T-80 tank is not mass-produced like the T-72B3 and T-90M for several reasons related to its production history, operational requirements, and strategic considerations.

​

• : The T-80 was produced in lower numbers compared to the T-72, which was designed for mass production. The T-80's production began in the late 1970s and was intended as a more advanced alternative to the T-64, featuring a gas turbine engine. However, its high fuel consumption and operational limitations led to fewer units being built overall139.

1. : The T-80 and T-72 originate from different design bureaus, with the T-80 being developed by the Kirov Factory in Leningrad and the T-72 by Uralvagonzavod. This separation means that each tank has distinct production lines and tooling, complicating mass production of the T-80 compared to the more widely produced T-7212.

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• : The Russian military has a diverse range of tanks suited for different roles. The T-72B3 serves as a reliable workhorse for most mechanized units due to its simplicity and cost-effectiveness, while the T-90M represents a more advanced option for elite units. The T-80, while capable, is often reserved for specific conditions, such as operations in colder climates where its gas turbine engine offers advantages239.

1. : Instead of producing new T-80s, Russia has focused on upgrading existing models from storage. This approach allows them to maintain a fleet without incurring the costs associated with new production. For example, upgrades like the T-80BVM have been implemented on older models rather than starting fresh production lines29.

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• : The Omsk factory, which historically produced the T-80, has not manufactured new hulls since 1991 and may lack the necessary suppliers for parts required for new builds. This limitation affects Russia's ability to ramp up production of the T-80 compared to other models like the T-72 and T-909 .

1. : Given current military needs and logistics, Russia has prioritized producing tanks that can be manufactured more efficiently and in greater numbers. The ongoing conflict has led to urgent requirements for tanks that can be quickly deployed, making it more practical to focus on existing models like the T-72B3 and T-90M24.

In summary, while the T-80 remains an important part of Russia's armored forces, its complex history, operational role, manufacturing limitations, and strategic focus on other tank models have resulted in it not being mass-produced like the T-72B3 and T-90M.

I needed that, and btw, how could I forget the most obvious reasons: multiple different production lines and manufacturers.
Col.Douglas Macgregor said it's a very big deal, and one of the weaknesses NATO has:
Nothing is mass produced from 1 source, unlike Russian military industrial complex. Maybe that's why Zelensky the green goblin has been advocating for a European Army.

 

[glutty]

Both have their ups and downs, but I like Russian tank models more cause they have a lower profile

They really do emphasise the don't be hit and don't be penetrated part of the survival onion, to be honest if you get penetrated in a russian MBT you're fucked, unless you are in the T90M which has blowout panels for the ammunition stored outside of the carousel autoloader. It's a much better design since the main reason why you see turrets popping off is because of the ammunition and charges stored outside of the carousel cause they have literally nowhere else to put them besides the fuel tanks next to the driver or in and around the turret.

 

[Cryotron]

BTR-82A

BMD3

one of the worst APCs/IFVs together with BMP-2/3, soldiers even call these garbage as Infantry Battle Grave and Combat Grave of Airborne

 

[ReconElement]

Cos it was expensive and had a gas turbine engine instead of a conventional v12 plus it was made a higher quality successor of the T 64 which was the main battle tank for soviet tank armies. T 64 was quite good by late 80s standard