Theory Why incels develop extremist ideologies: two explanations

[daydreamER]

I have been wondering recently why the vast majority of people here, including me, believe in "extremist", fringe ideologies such as Nazism, Islamism, or just believe in things that normies would think you are crazy for, like the support of ER and other supposed threats to society. There are two explanations that I can think of:

1. They are the right ideologies. Normies are too concerned with societal acceptance to seek the truth, and we incels who have no prospects of societal acceptance can view the world without bias and arrive to the right conclusions. We are done performing for others, and we develop our opinions without fear of that.

2. We are coping because we hate the world. We want to believe in ideologies that harm people and that contradict the prevalent views of the society that has rejected us. Similar to an emotional teenager (which many of us are, let's be honest), we lash out the world in our minds by having ideologies that go against the status quo.

Both these explanations have the same root: societal disacceptance. The question is, is our exclusion from society something that can lead us to truth, conclusions that are unburdened by what others think of us, or does it lead to a worldview clouded by hate?

 

[SoycuckGodOfReddit]

because it's the internet and everyone believes in that, so incels become nazis to fit in

 

[light]

because it's the internet and everyone believes in that, so incels become nazis to fit in

 

[DeliriousMerchant]

I'm the only person right because God said my extremism is good.

 

[Chudpreet]

We don’t go along to get along, it’s as simple as that (which you clearly addressed in your thread). For some people it’s an edgy way to lash out, others genuinely believe their ideology is right, but either way the preceding sentence holds true

 

[DeliriousMerchant]

JFL, every incel has to be racist to some degree on this forum. You'll be eaten up fast if not.

 

[DeliriousMerchant]

We don’t go along to get along, it’s as simple as that. For some people it’s an edgy way to lash out, others genuinely believe their ideology is right, but either way the preceding sentence holds true

Tales from a slum in New Delhi. Dung-eating cow-worshipper.

JFL, every incel has to be racist to some degree on this forum. You'll be eaten up fast if not.

 

[supersoldier]

even in incelosphere there are only few ideologies which accepted by community, but if someone having different opinion they get ridiculed

 

[Chudpreet]

Tales from a slum in New Delhi.

Don’t live there.

Dung-eating cow-worshipper.

Am not Hindu.

What about my statement was incorrect? Normies can’t afford to subscribe to extremist ideologies lest they risk whatever social status they have. Incels don’t have status and therefore don’t care about that

 

[daydreamER]

even in incelosphere there are only few ideologies which accepted by community, but if someone having different opinion they get ridiculed

That is a good point to factor in. I'm sure many incels who had lukewarm normie like opinions became molded by the community because they have nowhere else to go. They had to be racist, misogynist, etc to some degree to fit in the only community that really accepted them. I think most of us became like that on our own though, not looking for any validation.

 

[Darth Aries]

People who get what they want out of life are going to have a subconscious attachment to society and therefore protect it when an outcast speaks against it. Normies can’t fathom blackpill because it doesn’t apply to their life. Since they get sex and relationships, someone speaking against people who easily have those two things doesn’t make sense

 

[daydreamER]

People who get what they want out of life are going to have a subconscious attachment to society and therefore protect it when an outcast speaks against it. Normies can’t fathom blackpill because it doesn’t apply to their life. Since they get sex and relationships, someone speaking against people who easily have those two things doesn’t make sense

Exactly. They don't feel the need to critique society much because they are getting their basal needs of intimacy met anyway.

 

[Chudpreet]

JFL, every incel has to be racist to some degree on this forum. You'll be eaten up fast if not.

They had to be racist, misogynist, etc to some degree to fit in the only community that really accepted them.

You have to be “misogynist” to fit in here, sure, but I don’t see where there’s any pressure to be racist or even race realist. We’ve had a black nationalist on this forum and still have many race deniers and immigration supporters.

Obviously you have to be tolerant of slurs, ‘cause if you soyfag about them people might call you an infiltrator, but that’s a far cry away from being racist

 

[DeliriousMerchant]

immigration supporters.

Do we actually?

 

[Chudpreet]

Do we actually?

Yeah. Was arguing with one yesterday @Logic55, we also have Marxist users on here who desire a stateless, classless, borderless world

 

[Todd Thundercock]

I don't believe in any of that. The only appeal of Islam and such is because they're behind on batshit feminism.

 

[aspiecel_1111]

3. People want some radical change and want it fast, which moderate ideologies don't offer.

 

[Logic55]

Yeah. Was arguing with one yesterday @Logic55, we also have Marxist users on here who desire a stateless, classless, borderless world

I support legal immigration not illegal immigration, there is a difference between the two.

 

[turbosperg]

They are the right ideologies. Normies are too concerned with societal acceptance to seek the truth

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I have been wondering recently why the vast majority of people here, including me, believe in "extremist", fringe ideologies such as Nazism, Islamism, or just believe in things that normies would think you are crazy for, like the support of ER and other supposed threats to society. There are two explanations that I can think of:

1. They are the right ideologies. Normies are too concerned with societal acceptance to seek the truth, and we incels who have no prospects of societal acceptance can view the world without bias and arrive to the right conclusions. We are done performing for others, and we develop our opinions without fear of that.

2. We are coping because we hate the world. We want to believe in ideologies that harm people and that contradict the prevalent views of the society that has rejected us. Similar to an emotional teenager (which many of us are, let's be honest), we lash out the world in our minds by having ideologies that go against the status quo.

Both these explanations have the same root: societal disacceptance. The question is, is our exclusion from society something that can lead us to truth, conclusions that are unburdened by what others think of us, or does it lead to a worldview clouded by hate?

What is has not worked out for us, so we seek alternatives.

No political position within the Overton window cares to acknowledge our core issues or the severity of our plight, so we drift further and further away from what's considered socially acceptable on our search for an ideological and political home. Which extreme position you arrive at mostly depends on your genetic predisposition and upbringing.

In general, we tilt more towards to right because it's closer to "the men's side", although it doesn't give a shit about low status men either.


I personally have no interest in any of these far right ideologies. None of them care about male interests at their core.

The political frame work we would need doesn't exist or hasn't been popularized yet because caring too much about male losers goes against (human) nature. So we're fighting an uphill battle in that regard.

Still, if you want to know how such an ideology would look like, just take Marxist framing and add sexual / romantic currency as a dimension next to the financial one. Women are born rich in sexual market value, they and highly attractive men are the sexual bourgeoisie. Although women still have it better because better orgasms.

The poor (low status men) are many, but they lack cohesion, as well as social and financial capital (how many very rich or very famous men are gonna end up completely alone?), and therefore can't meaningfully influence society. Their needs remain unfulfilled. They distract themselves with the modern version of bread and games and fight among each other for the scraps that fall of the table of the upper classes. Crucially, they lack any kind of class consciousness.

This fits us men even better than it does for the OG proletariat because men evolved to fight each other to the death, to compete both between and inside groups for resources and women. No doubt put a strict limitation on how much sympathy we could afford to feel for one another throughout evolutionary history.

 

[SoycuckGodOfReddit]

Overtone

quick edit it

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

quick edit it

 

[Monke]

Ugh, ugh, aaaarrrggghhh! Monke pawarrrrr!!!

 

[Sloth.Belgrade]

People who get what they want out of life are going to have a subconscious attachment to society and therefore protect it when an outcast speaks against it. Normies can’t fathom blackpill because it doesn’t apply to their life. Since they get sex and relationships, someone speaking against people who easily have those two things doesn’t make sense

 

[MassEffectKoala]

no it because its obvious jews ruin the world