Blackpill Why I Think Ego Death is a Pretentious Meme

[Deleted member 5861]

There are some users here who push the ego death meme as a means to eliminate your shyness, which is total lunacy. I saw in another thread everyone saying "high IQ" to the idea and I don't think they really thought it out.
There are multiple reasons why I think that won't work:

1) Look at the lowest inhib guys you know, what is the pattern? They are chads. Does chad have a very low/non-existent ego or a very high ego?...exactly.

2) low self esteem causes depression. Only a few guys who are depressed become low inhib (just look at almost any crustaciouse thread). The ones who do just feel so disconnected that their ability to feel fear is diminished in general, along with almost any other emotion. They still have an ego. For example, Grotesque says he wouldnt be depressed anymore if a woman is willing to fuck him.

3) Every performer, whether athletic, musician, etc says believing that you will do good/win is how to not be nervous. Considering yourself good or better than your opponent is your ego showing up. All the best boxer and mma artists are egomaniacs: Floyd Mayweather, Muhammad Ali, Conor Mcgregor, Jon Jones, etc

4) US Marines have a reputation for being egomaniacs. That is despite all the putdowns they go through at boot camp. Its not a non-existent ego that got them through, its an impenetrable ego that got them through and their ability to remain calm through out.

5) Suicide through too much shame wouldn't exist since it would have been gone at that point if its enough for you to rope. Japan is strong proof you can't kill ego.

6) Not having an ego means you don't have a sense of yourself. Do you know what that means? Feeling pain, in any way, is ego-centric.

7) Every one who promotes this shows obvious signs their ego is still completely intact. I even saw one user who says abandoning his ego caused him to look down on others who still have an ego JFL

8) Your ego is a bottomless pit. It can always get lower. You can always feel more shameful about yourself. Just imagine getting to the "death" part and not even having a sense of yourself anymore. Maybe its possible through schizophrenia kek.

9) This is another off-shoot of "ignore them" when adults told you how to deal with bullies. Does that work?

The way my inhibition got lowered, to summarize, is by being calmer. Of course they were many physical things I did that made me calmer, its not like I just flipped a switch. To even help you get the picture, what do anxiety drugs do to you?

They make you calm. Not eliminate your sense of self lmao. The secret to eliminating shyness, along with all other forms of anxiety, is by being calm. it is the reason why being confident is highly linked with low inhibition, as well as depression doing the job for a few cases. Anxiety comes from a feeling of fear, rooted in a perceived threat. Being unfazed by insults mean you are just too calm about it, just like marines, it doesn't mean you successfully did ego death.

TLDR: Being calm is what makes you low inhib, not ego death.

 

[deadman123]

 

[Deleted member 5861]

 

[Ihatereddit]

Looking forward to the debate between @Fontaine and this guy

 

[Limerencel]

TLDR: Being calm is what makes you low inhib, not ego death.

Ego death often results in being calm.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

Ego death often results in being calm.

too bad its not feasible.

 

[Gremlincel]

A grievous strike to the 'ego death' theory. Most impressive.
What say they in defense?

 

[Existentialcel]

Try taking a shit ton of acid, I'd call it ego death for a finite amount of time.

 

[Insalsa]

High IQ

 

[Fontaine]

I agree with OP more than he'd like. I don't think killing off your ego completely is possible, as I had stressed in my post. I also agree that everyone who pretends to have no ego is a liar. The goal is to lower it as much as possible, or in any event paralyze its counter-productive aspects.

As to his arguments:

1) Shyness is aggravated by ego only when your ego is insecure, when your narcissistic image is vulnerable. Chads and Chadlites have a secure ego on average because they never face meaningful rejection: this is a perk of physical beauty. It's better to have no ego than to have one, but egotics who are handsome are exempt from shyness.

2) Clinical depression is actually a disease that is physiologically linked to prolonged stress (cortisol), not ego-lowering. It's also partly of genetic origin. If ego-lowering systematically caused depression, every recruit in monasteries or military boot camps would be severely depressed. Some "winners" have developed severe depression in their lives (Boltzmann and Carothers, two famous scientists, are examples), while many "losers" never develop depression: think about Haiti or Africa.

3) This is true, sport and war are very special cases, however you can only do so when you're already somewhat good objectively. Someone who starts training and has this mindset will crash and burn. When you begin it's more productive to be meek and learn from the best than act like you know everything and can't do mistakes.

4) US Marines become egomaniacs after having completed training. During training an egomaniac is just going to get yelled at by instructors until he follows orders and is able to recognize when he's doing shitty things, aka have a low, flexible ego. An impenetrable ego doesn't exist. It's an oxymoron, see Trump or Musk. Their ego is very much vulnerable.

5) Suicide in Japan is caused by the psychiatric disorder of depression. Historically, suicide was also caused by cultural codes of conduct that had few to do with "ego" and more with selfless devotion to Emperor or samurai code.

6) you can very much have an individuality with a low ego. You can even theoretically have an individuality with no ego at all if you retain the single principle that you must survive.

7) intact is a big word, however you are right that ego death, true ego death, is a lie. Only a few "Enlightened" (Jesus, Buddha etc) have reportedly reached true ego death. A mere mortal can't. Monks are often proud of their monkhood and meditation abilities, or Christians of their devotion, for instance. This is inevitable. But this kind of ego is arguably healthier than the one where you compete against others for sex and status.

8) true, that's why you must pre-emptively lower it as much as possible

9) yes it works. Fighting back is a good option only when you can win in a decisive fashion. Otherwise you'll just ridicule yourself or hurt yourself.

As to solving anxiety by "being calm", just lol. It's like saying you can fix depression by "being happy". If it were that easy there would be no anxiety.

 

[WarriorSkull]

I haven't read the other thread yet, but let me start off by saying the term "ego death" gets thrown around a lot. For one thing, there is a difference between having an ego death experience and carrying aspects of ego death onward through the rest of life.

Allow me to offer you a scientific explanation for why "ego death" can free you from suffering. Amongst all great apes, we observe the formation of social groups follow a pyramid like hierarchy. Amongst humans. those with higher status produce more serotonin, lower cortisol levels and better regulation of dopamine. Those lower in status experience the opposite. Other studies have even found that those high in status will feel irritation towards those below them and those low in status will experience anxiety and fear around those higher than them. These are subconsciously triggered, physiological changes happening in people's bodies based on their position in the social pyramid.

What is important to focus on is how does the mind gauge social status? It does this through comparison. In order for your mind to compare, it has to have a concept of yourself (ego) and a concept of others to compare against. Ego death alone isn't enough, but ego death is often a precursor towards the breakdown of these conceptual barriers and the elimination of separation. For people who achieve this, when they look at others they don't see the reflection of another person, but instead they see a hallucination of their own mind. That distinction between "I" and "You" goes away. They see everything as themselves.

This is fundamentally what enlightenment is. So what though, how would that free you from suffering? I wrestled with this question for close to 20 years, until it finally dawned on me. The social dominance hierarchy. If you do not perceive a separation between yourself and others, your subconscious mind cannot do the comparison necessary to determine your status. If it cannot determine your status, it will not trigger the low status physiological reaction and you will not suffer the consequences.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

As to solving anxiety by "being calm", just lol. It's like saying you can fix depression by "being happy". If it were that easy there would be no anxiety.

Well I already said that being calm is not like you can just flip a switch and it happens, its more like things that aid in being calm, like better diet, being more sure of yourself, exercising, being prepared and building a tolerance for bad experiences, etc makes you more calm, and thus less anxious. Thats what I meant. I was also addressing to why your perception of having your ego lowered made your inhibition lowered, its more that you just accepted the bad things will happen and you felt more relaxed towards them.

true, that's why you must pre-emptively lower it as much as possible

does this not contradict your response to my first point? Ego=a persons self sense of self esteem or self-importance, according to google definition. Therefore low ego = low self esteem = insecure. And you mentioned narcissism but you still admitted that total ego death is impossible, so that narcissism will always be there before you try to say just low enough to not be narcissist or something.

For points 3 and 4, I guess too ego-maniacal in a bad way could be the case. But I have seen some of the most arrogant people accept being taught something they don't know about and follow the rules of an organization 100%. I am talking about guys who literally proclaim themselves to be god. Also why would a marine become high ego after finishing boot camp after being low ego during it? Wouldn't they also learn to keep being low ego for the rest of their life? Plus during service they still have to follow rank and obey superiors exactly like they did in boot camp. They are still very high ego. And wouldn't you require to have a rather sizable ego to think you would even have a chance in becoming a marine and be a good and productive one? Disobedience has other factors besides ego. Wouldn't every egomaniac start to break laws if they had to be disobedient if their ego is high? Maybe if its high enough, but that would be psychotic levels.

2) Clinical depression is actually a disease that is physiologically linked to prolonged stress (cortisol), not ego-lowering. It's also partly of genetic origin. If ego-lowering systematically caused depression, every recruit in monasteries or military boot camps would be severely depressed. Some "winners" have developed severe depression in their lives (Boltzmann and Carothers, two famous scientists, are examples), while many "losers" never develop depression: think about Haiti or Africa.

The lower your self esteem the easier it is for you to get more stressed/develop depression. Just look at how good bullying and isolation is in causing depression in young people, it is by far the number one cause. The lower it is, the easier it is to get lowered(shyness), and its a negative cycle. Marines going to boot camp with a good sense of themselves beforehand are much better able to handle stress than those who are low. Its also perfectly possible for the low ego guy to be more disobedient than the high ego guy. But yes, depression is very linked to prolonged stress.

6) you can very much have an individuality with a low ego. You can even theoretically have an individuality with no ego at all if you retain the single principle that you must survive.

no self image or sense of self = still have individuality(distinguish itself from other kinds), I don't understand. But with low ego yes, you still have individuality, because you still of a sense of self.

 

[Fontaine]

Well I already said that being calm is not like you can just flip a switch and it happens, its more like things that aid in being calm, like better diet, being more sure of yourself, exercising, being prepared and building a tolerance for bad experiences, etc makes you more calm, and thus less anxious. Thats what I meant. I was also addressing to why your perception of having your ego lowered made your inhibition lowered, its more that you just accepted the bad things will happen and you felt more relaxed towards them.

Then I agree somewhat.

As to accepting that bad things will happen, I think this is, in itself, a statement of humility. When you understand you can't control everything, you're already pretty low ego I think.

does this not contradict your response to my first point? Ego=a persons self sense of self esteem or self-importance, according to google definition. Therefore low ego = low self esteem = insecure. And you mentioned narcissism but you still admitted that total ego death is impossible, so that narcissism will always be there before you try to say just low enough to not be narcissist or something.

Insecurity is derived from inadequacy between self-image and reality, not from low self-image. Insecurity is derived from a high ego that is not fully supported by facts: it is insecure because it is fragile; the exterior world continually threatens it. Security is derived either from a low ego or a high ego that is fully supported by facts (few can pretend to the latter except actual elites: it's not realistic to have a high ego for 97%). Slaves and domestic servants in the past were not necessarily depressed or shy despite being "losers": how do you explain it?

For points 3 and 4, I guess too ego-maniacal in a bad way could be the case. But I have seen some of the most arrogant people accept being taught something they don't know about and follow the rules of an organization 100%.

I have seen the same thing. I think these arrogant people were actually somewhat humble, in a way, despite being very competitive and outwardly arrogant. When you can follow rules and orders, and submit to a social structure, you're way more humble than a NEET neckbeard.

The lower your self esteem the easier it is for you to get more stressed/develop depression. Just look at how good bullying and isolation is in causing depression in young people, it is by far the number one cause. The lower it is, the easier it is to get lowered(shyness), and its a negative cycle. Marines going to boot camp with a good sense of themselves beforehand are much better able to handle stress than those who are low. Its also perfectly possible for the low ego guy to be more disobedient than the high ego guy. But yes, depression is very linked to prolonged stress.

I agree, however in my experience depression is a disease that is only superficially linked to low self-esteem. Low self-esteem is more a symptom of depression than a cause.

no self image or sense of self = still have individuality(distinguish itself from other kinds), I don't understand. But with low ego yes, you still have individuality, because you still of a sense of self.

An individual bacteria has no sense of ego at all and yet will do everything it can to ensure its personal survival, which includes keeping its boundaries intact. A human can do the same.

 

[mviper]

To truly kill the ego is to awaken and find that you are God.

It's why meditation and yoga actually increases your ego, despite being described as ego killing activities. And, surprise surprise, it's also linked with lowering of anxiety.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

Insecurity is derived from inadequacy between self-image and reality, not from low self-image. Insecurity is derived from a high ego that is not fully supported by facts: it is insecure because it is fragile; the exterior world continually threatens it. Security is derived either from a low ego or a high ego that is fully supported by facts (few can pretend to the latter except actual elites: it's not realistic to have a high ego for 97%). Slaves and domestic servants in the past were not necessarily depressed or shy despite being "losers": how do you explain it?

eh I don't think shy guys are exactly very big on the ego. They were very low ego to begin with, that is why they are shy. "unconfident" is a synonym to shyness according to google. Insecure has "unconfident" as a synonym as well. Every shy person I talked to clearly believed they were worthless. I have also seen lots of guys with high egos in say, their fighting ability, but they are actually terrible. They were never anxious, even after losing alot. Same with guys who were high ego and non-shy in general but everyone found them annoying. As for the slaves, every account I heard from former sex slaves (on the internet) told me their ego was shot down and they were very depressed.

As to accepting that bad things will happen, I think this is, in itself, a statement of humility. When you understand you can't control everything, you're already pretty low ego I think.

Thats more as a statement of not being psychotically high on the ego and/or simply being logical imo.

An individual bacteria has no sense of ego at all and yet will do everything it can to ensure its personal survival, which includes keeping its boundaries intact. A human can do the same.

well I looked this up and couldn't find anything about the bacteria besides something saying they have feelings too (gets excited when poked, possible link to ego?). But I did find an article that said even insects have egos too. Either way the fact you had to go all the way down to bacteria shows something about how intact egos are to advanced organisms.

 

[Fontaine]

eh I don't think shy guys are exactly very big on the ego. They were very low ego to begin with, that is why they are shy. "unconfident" is a synonym to shyness according to google. Insecure has "unconfident" as a synonym as well. Every shy person I talked to clearly believed they were worthless. I have also seen guys with high egos in say, their fighting ability, but they are actually terrible. They were never anxious, even after losing alot. As for the slaves, every account I heard from former sex slaves (on the internet) told me their ego was shot down and they were very depressed.

You're describing clinical depression more than low ego. Clinical depression is a pathological perversion of low ego: it makes you think you're worthless even in the areas when you actually are not. Low ego is about seeing yourself as you really are. Low ego guys can be (ironically) very confident.

And yes, in my experience, shy people are narcissists. Instead of accepting they are trash, they desperately want to cling to the notion that they are not. So that results in anxiety about the reactions of others.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

You're describing clinical depression more than low ego. Clinical depression is a pathological perversion of low ego: it makes you think you're worthless even in the areas when you actually are not. Low ego is about seeing yourself as you really are. Low ego guys can be (ironically) very confident.

ego = a persons sense of self esteem
self esteem = confidence in one's own worth or abilities; self-respect.
confidence = a feeling of trust in one's abilities, qualities, and judgment.
low ego can't correlate with high confidence, in any circumstance. These 3 words positively correlate with each other.

Low ego is about seeing yourself as you really are.

only when your worth is really low

 

[Fontaine]

ego = a persons sense of self esteem
self esteem = confidence in one's own worth or abilities; self-respect.
confidence = a feeling of trust in one's abilities, qualities, and judgment.
low ego can't correlate with high confidence, in any circumstance. These 3 words positively correlate with each other.

That's modernist propaganda and psychobabble. The link which is made in the modern world between ego and confidence is especially misleading and dangerous. In the Middle Ages, everyone was encouraged to mutilate his ego as much as possible. In Christianity, the more humble you are the better. Yet this did not prevent Christians from being very confident and energetic knights or lords.

I quote a book written in the 1400s by a monk that I'm reading right now: "Every wise man has only contempt for himself".

The point of ego death is to destroy your "unwarranted ego" and replace it with good ego that is solely derived from your skills and concrete abilities. (But even then you must be careful that it doesn't turn into hubris).

 

[Deleted member 5861]

That's modernist propaganda and psychobabble. The link which is made in the modern world between ego and confidence is especially misleading and dangerous. In the Middle Ages, everyone was encouraged to mutilate his ego as much as possible. In Christianity, the more humble you are the better. Yet this did not prevent Christians from being very confident and energetic knights or lords.

I quote a book written in the 1400s by a monk that I'm reading right now: "Every wise man has only contempt for himself".

The point of ego death is to destroy your "unwarranted ego" and replace it with good ego that is solely derived from your skills and concrete abilities. (But even then you must be careful that it doesn't turn into hubris).

well our viewpoints on what ego means is very different. So you are saying we should just have a realistic perception on our objective abilities/skills, right?

 

[Fontaine]

well our definition for egos is very different. So you are saying we should just have a realistic perception on our objective abilities/skills, right?

Exactly.

For instance, if you are ugly, you should accept you are ugly. If you are weak in a certain area, you should accept you are weak. If you have a relapse in your drug addiction, you must accept you committed a mistake. If someone mocks you, you should cooly accept that there are certain elements in yourself that can cause mockery, and try to fix them or move on.

An egomaniac, narcissist or "shy" man will think: I don't like knowing that I'm ugly or being reminded that I am. I don't like being reminded that I am weak in a certain area, I view criticisms as personal attacks. I have not committed a mistake when fapping to porn; rather, it's nofap that's bullshit. This guy has mocked me, this is an injustice and it angers me; to avoid future mockery, I will hide away in my basement.

Ego death is basically seeing yourself and your place in the universe as objectively as possible.

 

[rabitter]

In the Middle Ages, everyone was encouraged to mutilate his ego as much as possible. In Christianity, the more humble you are the better. Yet this did not prevent Christians from being very confident and energetic knights or lords.

I quote a book written in the 1400s by a monk that I'm reading right now: "Every wise man has only contempt for himself".

The point of ego death is to destroy your "unwarranted ego" and replace it with good ego that is solely derived from your skills and concrete abilities. (But even then you must be careful that it doesn't turn into hubris).

Keyword: encouraged by priests/monks and "philosophers".

Look at any of the conquistadores of Spain who conquered and pillaged South America. Would you honestly describe them as having "low-ego"? No. All of them believed to be superior than the natives.

Watch what they do - not what they say.

The ego death meme is told to the general public to keep them complacent. A humble person with a minimal ego is easier to control, after all.

Would you describe any of these people as low-ego or "humble":
- Donald Trump
- Mayweather
- Mike Tyson
- C. Ronaldo
- Vladimir Putin
- Elon Musk
- Kanye West

You can look at a smaller level - if you remember your times in high school or college - and you'd realize every single ultra-successful college athlete was ego-driven. Most successful men, especially in their youth are highly egoistic and exactly the opposite of humble. Instead, it's the mediocre men of society -- the cogs in the wheel -- that tend to be humble with minimal egos.

I'll repeat - watch what they do, not what they say.

For instance, if you are ugly, you should accept you are ugly.

You confuse awareness with acceptance or complacence. Low-ego individuals are complacent and completely fine with the status quo. An ego-driven one, on the other hand, will use whatever resources he has to looksmax, instead of offering a myriad of excuses like the high-inhibition incels give on this forum.

Exhibit A:

 

[Fontaine]

@rabitter

I actually agree with you: if you can afford to be ego driven, then being ego driven can provide you with a lot of positive energy and ambition, with the caveat that it can degenerate into hubris. The Dark Side of the Force, so to speak. However, if you are objectively weak, it's a far better idea to suck it up and be humble, at least until you manage to become stronger.

The problem nowadays is that too many people who can't afford to be ego driven want to be ego driven.

I also agree with you that Christianity is far from a perfect religious system and that there is usually a lot of hypocrisy going on among Christians on the subject of ego.

 

[WhittleBaphomet]

I think true ego death, from psychedelics, is the important experience to explore for anyone who has a curiosity for the world around them and a desire to understand themselves and the strange reality that we inhabit. However, what you see there after your ego has been slain is so unimaginably strange and different from the experiences that fill your every day, that I would be shocked to meet one foid that would truly be interested in someone talk about it, let alone give off any body language that would suggest that they value or view your experience with any credence or anything greater than the incoherent ramblings of someone who is under the influence of drug, which isn't the furthest thing from the truth because the experience can never be truly conveyed with our present language due to its great limitations. This is experience is much much more like a great unanswered, THE unanswered question than it is an answer. It is because we know so little that we should take much greater consideration in the effects of our everyday actions, and I believe that all of horrors of our declining civilization and every fallen civilization in history is the fleeting from this one important question being asked about ourselves.

 

[Phaoni]

The idea of ego death needs to be totally exterminated from humanity's thoughts.

Ego is just the actions you take to achieve something. If you pick up a pen, you're using your ego.

If you refer to wanting ego-worship death, that would be the more correct proposition.

 

[Haircutbro]

I dont get the whole ego death and im tired as fuck
I just want to say something
Depression is a mental state in which you are set back to your baby years
It basically robs you from energy, forcing you to get into a state, where others take care of you, or dying
When you are depressed, everything gets to hard for you
It is a lack of ego, of self knowledge in terms of abilities, confidence, skills, dream etc
Its a reduction to your most basic instinct, or state
When you are depressed, you just want to lay down, be fed, be taken care of, feel warmth etc
Emotions dont matter, sexuality decreases, social interactions and the urge for it decrease, some start stuttering, some become akward, many get social anxiety
Suddenly you are in a society, where you need to perform those acts, even though your body is telling you, lay down, be fed, be taken care of
You get the urge, that everyone has to do those things for you, you want someone to do this and that, while you just want to stay in bed
Its a situation, where you underestimate your self, while your body urges you to behave like a baby
And its the mind that sets that machine going, its your thoughts that fuel that engine
In that case, its your ego
And its not like low ego = im a dumbass
Its more like low ego = not being aware
When we want to have a fulfilling live, we have to look at why we have certain features and behaviours
We want food, water, safety, sex, a community and being loved
This is the base of all, after that things like self fulfillment come, career, fancy cars, hobbies, traveling etc
All that crap
Why do you think, many celebreties that have fancy cars are depressed
Because they lack things that are lower on the Pyramid
All this fear we have, is often connected to getting socially outcasted
Which still means for our primal brain = certain death
Thats why we are scared to present something in front of class, or being akward, or saying something wrong, even though we know that nothing will happen
People that dont get that fear that strong, are simply people that have a stronger base
They have connections, they are needed, they have a high ego, they know their skills and what they can do
They dont care if a local group does not like them anymore
Ego is always a mix between a objective fact about your envoirement ( sory for bad england show bobs and vagene pls ) and your inner thoughts, which get heavily influenced by your past envirement ( nope ) because they are adaptive, and get shaped based on your expierences
Low ego will make you depressed, because depression is low ego
It will set you back to an animal like behaviour, where your only goal is to eat, sleep, and be taken care of
You automatically set yourself into the shoes of the beta
While on the other hand, high ego are the chads, the alphas
The people who can conquer the world, they know who they are, and what they want, and they get it
They love to communicate because of their high ego, because talking is simply stating your ideas
Its not about understanding the person you are talking to, this is considered weird
Talking is telling your stories and ideas, and after you finished, waiting for the other person to state their ideas
And high ego people love to talk because they love to present their ideas, and their ego to other people
While low ego people hate to talk, because they dont have anything to state, they dont like their ideas, they have no need to talk, because their low ego, wants them not to, but more to concentrate on eating, sleeping and being beta

Long story short,
ego death does not work, christianity and its mentallity of forgiving everyone and being a hippie, will make you go insane, depressed or kill yourself, and the true way of living is being high ego alpha, who kills everything that stands in his way
Sadly there are biological factors that have a play in that, so simply wanting to do that is not enough to create a high ego or a good life
People with good genes have a better life and ego simply because of their looks and genes

 

[FiveFourManlet]

WORDS

 

[Kirito3]

But chad has no ego because anyone with a personality that good is so humble tehee

 

[Inbuddhist]

Ego death is possible, but only for a tiny tiny little minority, so i agree with the spirit of your message.

I'm talking about total ego death, where you reach a nondual state, not the more pedestrian think of "not having an ego" as in "being humble" or "not being egoist"

 

[Deleted member 10531]

Try taking a shit ton of acid, I'd call it ego death for a finite amount of time.

It's not "ego death", it's your brain becoming overwhelmed. Your ego doesn't die, you still have it, you are just overwhelmed. Also, death cannot finite, so it would be ego supression at best.

 

[th62eathhts2]

highest iq post i've seen on this website. the very idea that ego-death is easy to come by is awe inspiring dumb. monks spend their entire lives attempting it and normally fail.

 

[Deleted member 1042]

Ego death is a bit of a paradox. It just sounds like a bunch of copers trying to transcend their limitations. Though I have read accounts of ppl’s experience of it, it being more a freak phenomenon, as opposed to something you can consciously force yourself to do.

 

[Anger]

What's wrong with being egocentric?

 

[Fontaine]

Why tf is this stickied lol

I'll stand with my statement that having a big ego is a debatable advantage. It is harmful in most situations. It can be useful only in rare situations where you need irrational confidence to do something.

 

[mentalcel]

Self esteem and rejections are very correlating. A constantly rejected, ignored person cannot develop a self esteem.

 

[FlyFace]

Id
Ego
Super ego
Three different Freuds.

 

[ICanOnlyFapToBDSM]

any buddhist meditator master or whatever would be on his ass if you gave him some shrooms or gravity bong

that shits a scam, this world is a jungle and its kill or be killed, fuck or be fucked and there's evil in everybody

 

[rudolfhess]

Interesting thread. Don't really have an opinion, but it reminds me of something. Remember in school when kids like us would get bullied, the teachers and staff would always say "the bullies are bullying you because they have low self-esteem." And they repeat that and repeat that again and again even though studies show bullies have insanely high self esteem. In short, the idea that if you show compassion for a bully it will raise his self-esteem because "he's only bullying because he's going through problems too" is bullshit.

 

[VisVoi]

Lol, isn't ego death just something that happens when you take psychedellics that removes your sense of identity temporarily?

You seem very misinformed.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

Lol, isn't ego death just something that happens when you take psychedellics that removes your sense of identity temporarily?

You seem very misinformed.

I already said getting schizophrenia/schizophrenic experience may be the only exception.

 

[Jockcel]

Low inhib incels go to jail... Learn before it's too late.

 

[Redpill Robert]

I know some pretty low-inhib ogres. They are certainly not Chads or popular with women beyond a quick laugh (though many like to pretend they are). As they say I guess ignorance is bliss.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

The only areas of your ego that are useful to suppress are those that can be easily challenged by others. Taking pride in something you do and are genuinely good at is not going to hurt you in the long run, but measuring your worth by other’s opinion of you will, especially if you are ugly. That pretty much becomes inevitable if you allow your ego to roam unchecked. I condemn those with a big ego because I think it is short sighted, even in the specific cases where it is advantageous that you mentioned like competitive sport because it is fundamentally irrational, in my view, to take pride in something you had no part in building. I think any human achievement is trivialised by the fact there are too many factors beyond the subject’s controI that lead to them being the best at something in the first place, rendering the notion of having ‘personal pride’ for pretty much anything a needlessly self-indulgent and ultimately vacuous enterprise.

I say this because I do not believe in free will. The human mind is an algorithm and has no say how it will respond to any given event, you have no say over whether what someone says will make you laugh or piss you off. You have no say in who you are, what you look like, what your sexual preferences are, what your athletic ability is, what nationality you are, how lazy you are, what your capacity for hard work is, or what your intelligence level is. So even if in your view having a big ego serves a valuable purpose, I still consider it conceited and ultimately irrational to give yourself so much credit for your unchosen genetic traits, outstanding as they might be.

 

[MrTran]

The trick is to be in control of your ego so that you can switch between states at will. Study Trump. He seems egotistical on the surface, but is able to ramp it up/down depending on the needs of the situation.

Complete ego death, while theoretically possible, is probably not the most practical state for the normal human at this time. Learn to control ego, not be controlled by it.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

The trick is to be in control of your ego so that you can switch between states at will. Study Trump. He seems egotistical on the surface, but is able to ramp it up/down depending on the needs of the situation.

Complete ego death, while theoretically possible, is probably not the most practical state for the normal human at this time. Learn to control ego, not be controlled by it.

I think you have grossly mischaracterised Trump. He is quite clearly an archetypal example of a man who has no control of his ego and cannot resist but respond to the most minuscule challenge to his fragile self-image in the most petty and insecure way imaginable.

Learn to control ego, not be controlled by it.

He is the prime example of someone who is controlled by his ego.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

I think you have grossly mischaracterised Trump. He is quite clearly an archetypal example of a man who has no control of his ego and cannot resist but respond to the most minuscule challenge to his fragile self-image in the most petty and insecure way imaginable.

right...because its not like the average person would kill themselves just by going through half the hate he goes through for one week.

a pornstar killed herself over getting hates messages for a few days on twitter because she said she didn't want to work with a gay man.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

right...because its not like the average person would kill themselves just by going through half the hate he goes through for one week.

a pornstar killed herself over getting hates messages for a few days on twitter because she said she didn't want to work with a gay man.

Obama (not defending him, just citing an example) received an equal outpoor of hatred from the right, he never once stooped the level Trump does on a daily basis. For the record Trump’s temperament and thin skin are not the worst thing about him, his policies are. I just find it hilarious when I see people who cannot even identify the slightest flaw in him and act like he’s the most enlightened person on the planet. They’ll defend even his most undeniable weaknesses as if they are his greatest strengths, really shows a simplistic, tribalistic and partisan position on what are very complicated issues. These kind of people exist on the left as well and do the same for Hillary, I honestly can’t help but laugh at them on both sides. They cannot think for themselves would eat shit from the hands of their dear leaders of the so told them to.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

Obama (not defending him, just citing an example) received an equal outpoor of hatred from the right, he never once stooped the level Trump does on a daily basis. For the record Trump’s temperament and thin skin are not the worst thing about him, his policies are. I just find it hilarious when I see people who cannot even identify the slightest flaw in him and act like he’s the most enlightened person on the planet. They’ll defend even his most undeniable weaknesses as if they are his greatest strengths, really shows a simplistic, tribalistic and partisan position on what are very complicated issues. These kind of people exist on the left as well and do the same for Hillary, I honestly can’t help but laugh at them on both sides. They cannot think for themselves would eat shit from the hands of their dear leaders of the so told them to.

No, Obama has not ever received even 10% of the hate trump has gotten. Obama only had fox news and some radio stations against him. Besides that maybe some liberals going "stop bombing the middle east." Nobody was rioting or marching when Obama won, but there were for Trump.

" he never once stooped the level Trump does on a daily basis. For the record Trump’s temperament and thin skin are not the worst thing about him"
you mean like saying CNN is fake news? Such a thin skin reaction to a 24/7 propaganda machine

 

[SemiticIncel]

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

No, Obama has not ever received even 10% of the hate trump has gotten. Obama only had fox news and some radio stations against him. Besides that maybe some liberals going "stop bombing the middle east." Nobody was rioting or marching when Obama won, but there were for Trump.

" he never once stooped the level Trump does on a daily basis. For the record Trump’s temperament and thin skin are not the worst thing about him"
you mean like saying CNN is fake news? Such a thin skin reaction to a 24/7 propaganda machine

Claiming that every criticism is “fake news” is the most childish thing I have ever seen from someone on the political stage. If you really cannot see that Trump is thin skinned then there isn’t much point trying to reason with you, honestly it is an undeniable fact of his personality. I am not overly concerned about that though, what worries me is the fact working class Americans think he’s going to improve their lives when the minimum wage is stagnant and his tax cuts aren’t cuts for the working and middle class, who will end up having paid more than they would’ve over a decade. I’ve said this before, if you aren’t rich and you voted for Trump then you’re a cuck and do not understand his economic policies. It’s actually kind of hilarious because all the right wingers criticise the left for only condemning Trump’s character instead of his policies (which they do) without realising the only reason they support him is his character and they don’t understand his policies or how they’re going to hurt them.

 

[BradPitt]

Claiming that every criticism is “fake news” is the most childish thing I have ever seen from someone on the political stage. If you really cannot see that Trump is thin skinned then there isn’t much point trying to reason with you, honestly it is an undeniable fact of his personality. I am not overly concerned about that though, what worries me is the fact working class Americans think he’s going to improve their lives when the minimum wage is stagnant and his tax cuts aren’t cuts for the working and middle class, who will end up having paid more than they would’ve over a decade. I’ve said this before, if you aren’t rich and you voted for Trump then you’re a cuck and do not understand his economic policies. It’s actually kind of hilarious because all the right wingers criticise the left for only condemning Trump’s character instead of his policies (which they do) without realising the only reason they support him is his character and they don’t understand his policies or how they’re going to hurt them.

He's another brainwashed moron who thought Trump was going to solve all his problems. Now he will defend him until death. Blind to see he's exactly like the lunatics on the left, only he switched sides.