RageFuel why have celibates allowed themselves to be turned against each other by incel/volcel labels from clergy/jeworbiter/tranny/feminist who all hate us?

[Wiz32BlackJiggaboo]

Narrowing the description of celibacy to the term "involuntarily celibate" has a sordid history of hypocrisy:

1) Banier's 1739 use was just about women who couldn't find rich handsome they were willing to marry, not women who couldn't find romance with a looksmatch.​

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2) Flynt's 1975 usage derives from being hung up on rejection by jewess Lefkowitz and he advocates we castrate ourselves: "The solution is for the creep to seek a medical procedure which will sexually neutralize him. He can then attain the full creep values, without the disability of an unresolved physical desire. "​

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3) the 1997 "Alana's Involuntary Celibacy Project" was clearly not run by a waifu at all, it was a MTF promoting the idea of shortening the 5-syllable phrase to a 2-syllable slang, who also tried to pretend it was a women problem (like Banier) while taking Flynt's cucked "just slice off your dick" solution to dealing with it, even though Alana's proof it solved nothing​

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4) the 2001 Donnelly study which popularized the 2-syl slang was run by the "Senior Faculty Associate for the Advancement of Women".​

At every step there is an observable history surrounding the "involuntary" etymology that there is a focus on female needs, diminishing importance of male desire manifesting in castrated sex change and a culture which feminists seek to propagate.

Embracing 'involuntary' paints us purely as objects acted upon by outside forces, and does not acknowledge us as subjects who have some role and power in shaping our own behaviors.

We purity spiral where the faintest hint of hypothetical agency is chastized, as if that somehow makes us wealthy Chads who need to be excluded from a safe space, as if Chad would ever feel compelled to come here.

 

[Deleted member 32725]

It's not so much as a purity spiral as a reflexive response based on association. With volcels, come normies. With normies, come bluepillers. With bluepillers, comes censorship. And once the censorship arrives, we're done for. This isn't a division so much as a desire to keep out those elements that are routinely trying to get us silenced and disbanded. Our precautions are out of necessity to maintain the integrity of our hated community.

 

[Ecstasy]

Its just laughable to see objectively good looking dudes crying about being ugly and actually believing it while everyone else is telling them otherwise

Same goes for those with bitch ass excuses for not even trying it like social anxiety or not having the genes for lifing

 

[Shigechi]

Its just laughable to see objectively good looking dudes crying about being ugly and actually believing it while everyone else is telling them otherwise

Same goes for those with bitch ass excuses for not even trying it like social anxiety or not having the genes for lifing

In the end they are the ones wasting their time here when they could be fucking pussy. I wish i could have that option.

 

[Wiz32BlackJiggaboo]

It's not so much as a purity spiral as a reflexive response based on association. With volcels, come normies.

There has never been and will never been as clear a dividing line as semantics let on. It's a level of extreme partisanship I think meant to actually keep our numbers low, our energies deflected.

I posit for you a snippet of a February 1856 article published in Putnam's Monthly:

In America we have no such husbands. Long before the cry of woman’s rights was openly raised, the powers and prerogatives of the American husband had been gradually undermined. Usage superseded law, and trampled it under foot. Sentiment put logical consistency at defiance, and the American husband has thus become a legal monster, a logical impossibility, required to fly without wings, and to run without feet.

Women care nothing for logic, but they have a sense of justice and tender hearts, and to their sense of justice we confidently appeal. Who can wonder that the men are so shy in taking upon them the responsibilities of the married state? Those responsibilities all remain exactly as in old times, while the means of adequately meeting them are either entirely taken away, or are in a fair way to be so.

The guy was half-blue half-black IMO and conversations like this were not derailed by "us against them" mentality on "how vol is your cel"

Its just laughable to see objectively good looking dudes crying about being ugly and actually believing it while everyone else is telling them otherwise

Same goes for those with bitch ass excuses for not even trying it like social anxiety or not having the genes for lifing

Whether or not they reason it the right way (it's usually more multifaceted than DNA) having difficulty progressing with lifting is obviously a real thing. We should educate them about other mitigating factors (bad sleep, bad diet, etc) and not shame them because they buy into the 'it's only DNA' thing. We know DNA playa big role too, it's a forgivable misconception.

If social anxiety doesn't cripple you then IMO you're a lot more Chadly than you're letting on.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

It's not so much as a purity spiral as a reflexive response based on association. With volcels, come normies. With normies, come bluepillers. With bluepillers, comes censorship. And once the censorship arrives, we're done for. This isn't a division so much as a desire to keep out those elements that are routinely trying to get us silenced and disbanded. Our precautions are out of necessity to maintain the integrity of our hated community.

As long as you cope the best you can and don't shut up like anti-incels tell you, you haven't completely been destroyed by this world like society wants. Society would rather everyone here rope.

 

[Indari]

who gives a flying fuck about 1739

 

[Deleted member 27204]

Narrowing the description of celibacy to the term "involuntarily celibate" has a sordid history of hypocrisy:

1) Banier's 1739 use was just about women who couldn't find rich handsome they were willing to marry, not women who couldn't find romance with a looksmatch.​

​

2) Flynt's 1975 usage derives from being hung up on rejection by jewess Lefkowitz and he advocates we castrate ourselves: "The solution is for the creep to seek a medical procedure which will sexually neutralize him. He can then attain the full creep values, without the disability of an unresolved physical desire. "​

​

3) the 1997 "Alana's Involuntary Celibacy Project" was clearly not run by a waifu at all, it was a MTF promoting the idea of shortening the 5-syllable phrase to a 2-syllable slang, who also tried to pretend it was a women problem (like Banier) while taking Flynt's cucked "just slice off your dick" solution to dealing with it, even though Alana's proof it solved nothing​

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4) the 2001 Donnelly study which popularized the 2-syl slang was run by the "Senior Faculty Associate for the Advancement of Women".​

At every step there is an observable history surrounding the "involuntary" etymology that there is a focus on female needs, diminishing importance of male desire manifesting in castrated sex change and a culture which feminists seek to propagate.

Embracing 'involuntary' paints us purely as objects acted upon by outside forces, and does not acknowledge us as subjects who have some role and power in shaping our own behaviors.

We purity spiral where the faintest hint of hypothetical agency is chastized, as if that somehow makes us wealthy Chads who need to be excluded from a safe space, as if Chad would ever feel compelled to come here.

@Benj-amin had a similar thread about this. As usual bluepillers obsessed about the specific origins of the term "incel" rather than admitting that the concepts of "involuntary celibacy" and "involuntary celibates" are not new and were recognized way before by many men in the past. Also Alana coined the abbreviation "invcel" not "incel"

she didnt create the term "incel" either

she created the term "invcel" and her "community" changed it to "incel" because invcel is pretty retarded

There has never been and will never been as clear a dividing line as semantics let on. It's a level of extreme partisanship I think meant to actually keep our numbers low, our energies deflected.

I posit for you a snippet of a February 1856 article published in Putnam's Monthly:

In America we have no such husbands. Long before the cry of woman’s rights was openly raised, the powers and prerogatives of the American husband had been gradually undermined. Usage superseded law, and trampled it under foot. Sentiment put logical consistency at defiance, and the American husband has thus become a legal monster, a logical impossibility, required to fly without wings, and to run without feet.

Women care nothing for logic, but they have a sense of justice and tender hearts, and to their sense of justice we confidently appeal. Who can wonder that the men are so shy in taking upon them the responsibilities of the married state? Those responsibilities all remain exactly as in old times, while the means of adequately meeting them are either entirely taken away, or are in a fair way to be so.

The guy was half-blue half-black IMO and conversations like this were not derailed by "us against them" mentality on "how vol is your cel"


Whether or not they reason it the right way (it's usually more multifaceted than DNA) having difficulty progressing with lifting is obviously a real thing. We should educate them about other mitigating factors (bad sleep, bad diet, etc) and not shame them because they buy into the 'it's only DNA' thing. We know DNA playa big role too, it's a forgivable misconception.

@SergeantIncel @Master @mental_out @i_a_m_i another insightful thread.

 

[Wiz32BlackJiggaboo]

bluepillers obsessed about the specific origins of the term "incel" rather than admitting that the concepts of "involuntary celibacy" and "involuntary celibates" are not new

I don't believe paying attention to either of these need be mutually exclusive.

Also Alana coined the abbreviation "invcel" not "incel"

True, apparently someone in her group dropped the V, haven't been able to figure out who though, would be interesting to put a specific timestamp on that.