Serious Why do people think Jesus' crucifixion was a sacrifice. It wasn't in any way shape or form. God did not "sacrifice his only son".

[ScornedStoic]

According to the Bible:
1. Jesus died of his of his own will "for our sins".
2. Jesus was ""sacrificing"" himself to himself. That's not a sacrifice.
3. He supposedly "sacrificed" himself by subjecting himself to the "wager of sin". i.e. eternal torment in hell, yet, as we know, later in the story he comes back. So he didn't even fulfill what his intention was; if the punishment for sin is death and Christ is taking that punishment, he should have stayed dead in hell forever, like everyone else punished for sinning before Jesus and after him that don't believe in fairy tales. Him coming back completely negates any worth to this whole endeavour.
4. He knew he'd survive the whole ordeal since the Bible says he is God.
5. And finally, as previously stated, HE CAME BACK AFTER ONLY 3 DAYS. IT'S NOT A SACRIFICE IF YOU'RE DEAD FOR SHORTER THAN MOST COMAS.

Imagine this:

You're a farmer of pigs, and one day, one of your pigs decides to go to the slaughterhouse, all on his own, because he's a magical pig. He knows this and knows he'll survive. He comes back a couple days after having his throat slit and tells you he did it for everyone but dedicates the sacrifice to himself.

Would you ever in your right mind say you sacrificed your pig?

 

[Caesercel]

@Billowel @Mainländer @mänline

 

[vippnor]

@Billowel @Mainländer @mänline

no @

 

[Caesercel]

no @

u christcoper?

 

[vippnor]

u christcoper?

i’m a christian yes

 

[Caesercel]

i’m a christian yes

@vippnor

 

[ReturnOfSaddam]

LEGIT lmao. I cringe when stupid fucking christfags just spew out their "he died for our sins" bullshit, while SIMULTANEOUSLY BELIEVING HE'S ACTUALLY GOD. LMFAO. How stupid are these people? Oh wow, the guy died for our sins, how good of him, let's just conveniently ignore the fact that he's A LITERAL GOD WHO CREATED US, AND OUR FUCKING SINS IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND IS JUST GOING TO GO STRAIGHT BACK TO HEAVEN ANYWAY.

Islam makes way more sense than Christianity, Muhammad is a prophet but he's not a god, he wasn't sent by god, he's just seen as the man who lived in an ideal way for god. I'm not saying I believe in it but at least that actually makes sense and flows logically. The christfag belief is just laughably stupid.

 

[Blacktarpill]

 

[ScornedStoic]

LEGIT lmao. I cringe when stupid fucking christfags just spew out their "he died for our sins" bullshit, while SIMULTANEOUSLY BELIEVING HE'S ACTUALLY GOD. LMFAO. How stupid are these people? Oh wow, the guy died for our sins, how good of him, let's just conveniently ignore the fact that he's A LITERAL GOD WHO CREATED US, AND OUR FUCKING SINS IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND IS JUST GOING TO GO STRAIGHT BACK TO HEAVEN ANYWAY.

Islam makes way more sense than Christianity, Muhammad is a prophet but he's not a god, he wasn't sent by god, he's just seen as the man who lived in an ideal way for god. I'm not saying I believe in it but at least that actually makes sense and flows logically. The christfag belief is just laughably stupid.

Tbh...

 

[Opus132]

Christians who use that argument just don't understand their own religion. Sentimentalism, which is where this misrepresentation of the theology of the sacrifice stems from, is one the biggest problems with Christianity today, and why their arguments fail to convince people.

The key to understand Christianity lies in the patristic formula that God became man so that man may become God. So according to this idea, what the sacrifice signifies essentially is that with the advent of Christianity there is no longer any need for man to atone for his sins, because the work has already been done for him by Christ. All a person has to do is realize the nature of Christ within themselves (I.E., achieve theosis), and all of his "debts" are then written off automatically, so to speak.

Basically, Christianity is an "other power" religion par excellence. Christ didn't simply teach the path out of example, he actually did the work and paid for the debts of the sins of humanity and all one has to do is share in his nature and by extension share in his victory.

I know some people here will scoff at the idea but any serious minded incel who are worried about their place in the afterlife on account of the degeneracy they sunk into due to their inceldom may find the idea comforting, that they could be redeemed if they could join with the redeemer. That was sort of the realization Dostoevsky came to which he put at the end of Crime and Punishment. You simply have to let go of yourself and take on the divine nature and your past transgressions will wash away, provided you aren't so corrupted as to make that transformation impossible.

 

[Idotms]

He died
so it can be seen as a sacrifice
Doesn't matter how long he was dead

 

[ScornedStoic]

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Fucking lmao

Christians who use that argument just don't understand their own religion. Sentimentalism, which is where this misrepresentation of the theology of the sacrifice stems from, is one the biggest problems with Christianity today, and why their arguments fail to convince people.

The key to understand Christianity lies in the patristic formula that God became man so that man may become God. So according to this idea, what the sacrifice signifies essentially is that with the advent of Christianity there is no longer any need for man to atone for his sins, because the work has already been done for him by Christ. All a person has to do is realize the nature of Christ within themselves (I.E., achieve theosis), and all of his "debts" are then written off automatically, so to speak.

Basically, Christianity is an "other power" religion par excellence. Christ didn't simply teach the path out of example, he actually did the work and paid for the debts of the sins of humanity and all one has to do is share in his nature and by extension share in his victory.

I know some people here will scoff at the idea but any serious minded incel who are worried about their place in the afterlife on account of the degeneracy they sunk into due to their inceldom may find the idea comforting, that they could be redeemed if they could join with the redeemer. That was sort of the realization Dostoevsky came to which he put at the end of Crime and Punishment. You simply have to let go of yourself and take on the divine nature and your past transgressions will wash away, provided you aren't so corrupted as to make that transformation impossible.

That's an incredibly immoral system that not even a fallible human would set up, let alone an omniscient god.

 

[Opus132]

The only reason you think that is you have yet to truly understand what it means to take upon Christ's nature (and monks of mount Athos offer a good example of what that entails).

Also this:

"I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

There are religions out there, like Hinduism, or Mahayana Buddhism, who claim you can save yourself on your own power. Whether that is true or not, Christianity is meant for people who cannot do that, so God, in his mercy, has done the work for them and all they have to do is take the hand he has outstretched as long as the opportunity is there.

 

[FlamingCel]

According to the Bible:
1. Jesus died of his of his own will "for our sins".
2. Jesus was ""sacrificing"" himself to himself. That's not a sacrifice.
3. He supposedly "sacrificed" himself by subjecting himself to the "wager of sin". i.e. eternal torment in hell, yet, as we know, later in the story he comes back. So he didn't even fulfill what his intention was; if the punishment for sin is death and Christ is taking that punishment, he should have stayed dead in hell forever, like everyone else punished for sinning before Jesus and after him that don't believe in fairy tales. Him coming back completely negates any worth to this whole endeavour.
4. He knew he'd survive the whole ordeal since the Bible says he is God.
5. And finally, as previously stated, HE CAME BACK AFTER ONLY 3 DAYS. IT'S NOT A SACRIFICE IF YOU'RE DEAD FOR SHORTER THAN MOST COMAS.

Imagine this:

You're a farmer of pigs, and one day, one of your pigs decides to go to the slaughterhouse, all on his own, because he's a magical pig. He knows this and knows he'll survive. He comes back a couple days after having his throat slit and tells you he did it for everyone but dedicates the sacrifice to himself.

Would you ever in your right mind say you sacrificed your pig?

Yahusha sacrificed himself for everyone that lived so they will go to heaven.Everyone that lives after have to obey him to go to heaven.He did come back but not physically,he came back spiritually.It is no longer required to sacrifice animals for our sins.Yahusha was the ultimate sacrifice.

@Billowel @Mainländer @mänline

You didn't tag me

 

[mänline]

Spontaneous reply after hours of work

He knew he'd survive the whole ordeal since the Bible says he is God.

Would you take the pain, even when you know, you will come back to life and glory? It is a sacrifice in the sense, that he took pain without the need to do it.

Jesus was ""sacrificing"" himself to himself. That's not a sacrifice.

Jesus was the lamb functionally in this moment of the dead. God the father was the one, which wrath was satisfied.
There is even an earthly example imaginable: Imagine a tribal chief who made a law that punishes theft with 100 lashes. When it comes out that his old weak mother has committed theft, he takes the 100 lashes for her substitutionally, because otherwise she will die. He has first of all made a sacrifice for the mother, who will die otherwise, but also a sacrifice for the law so that it will be fulfilled, but also a sacrifice for himself who enacted the law.
Now it is the case that God has also issued the commandments/laws, but even before sins were sin, which separates us from God.

He supposedly "sacrificed" himself by subjecting himself to the "wager of sin". i.e. eternal torment in hell, yet, as we know, later in the story he comes back. So he didn't even fulfill what his intention was; if the punishment for sin is death and Christ is taking that punishment, he should have stayed dead in hell forever, like everyone else punished for sinning before Jesus and after him that don't believe in fairy tales. Him coming back completely negates any worth to this whole endeavour.

I will ask a Christian sister I will meet tomorrow. Not that she is a theologian, but I have no answer to this question now, but maybe she has.

And finally, as previously stated, HE CAME BACK AFTER ONLY 3 DAYS. IT'S NOT A SACRIFICE IF YOU'RE DEAD FOR SHORTER THAN MOST COMAS.

There is also horror film out there who show greater bodily torture than "The passion Christi". This does not make Jesus' way to the cross and the hours there a funny place to be. It isn't about the greatness of sadism or masochism, but about the legal effect, that makes it a sacrifice.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

According to the Bible:
1. Jesus died of his of his own will "for our sins".
2. Jesus was ""sacrificing"" himself to himself. That's not a sacrifice.
3. He supposedly "sacrificed" himself by subjecting himself to the "wager of sin". i.e. eternal torment in hell, yet, as we know, later in the story he comes back. So he didn't even fulfill what his intention was; if the punishment for sin is death and Christ is taking that punishment, he should have stayed dead in hell forever, like everyone else punished for sinning before Jesus and after him that don't believe in fairy tales. Him coming back completely negates any worth to this whole endeavour.
4. He knew he'd survive the whole ordeal since the Bible says he is God.
5. And finally, as previously stated, HE CAME BACK AFTER ONLY 3 DAYS. IT'S NOT A SACRIFICE IF YOU'RE DEAD FOR SHORTER THAN MOST COMAS.

Imagine this:

You're a farmer of pigs, and one day, one of your pigs decides to go to the slaughterhouse, all on his own, because he's a magical pig. He knows this and knows he'll survive. He comes back a couple days after having his throat slit and tells you he did it for everyone but dedicates the sacrifice to himself.

Would you ever in your right mind say you sacrificed your pig?

Forgiving sins is all just bullshit cope. Romans just killed an innocent man and Christians needed a way to rationalize how a so called loving God could do this to such a person.

 

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It was a sacrifice tho, Christ Jesus easily couldve broken out

 

[Transcended Trucel]

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this too. God literally cucked a man, yet we are expected to believe he is benevolent

 

[ScornedStoic]

He died
so it can be seen as a sacrifice
Doesn't matter how long he was dead

That's not how that works

 

[Idotms]

That's not how that works

who are u to decide how it works
lol

 

[ScornedStoic]

who are u to decide how it works
lol

It's not me, it's all of human history and common sense.

 

[Idotms]

It's not me, it's all of human history and common sense.

No, it isn't
JFL

 

[ScornedStoic]

No, it isn't
JFL

Yes it is lmao. The practice of sacrifice has been well defined and it's not complicated. Jesus' death doesn't meet any criteria for sacrifice. You can cry all you want but your own book proves you wrong. Facts are facts.

 

[Idotms]

Yes it is lmao. The practice of sacrifice has been well defined and it's not complicated. Jesus' death doesn't meet any criteria for sacrifice. You can cry all you want but your own book proves you wrong. Facts are facts.

Read
It even mentions Jesus

 

[ScornedStoic]

Read
It even mentions Jesus
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View: https://youtu.be/gh55gQwF1iY
watch.

 

[Idotms]

View: https://youtu.be/gh55gQwF1iY
watch.

no
not watching some atheist youtuber lol

 

[ScornedStoic]

no
not watching some atheist youtuber lol

Lmao typical christcuck faggot terrified knowing he'll be proved wrong

 

[Idotms]

Lmao typical christcuck faggot terrified knowing he'll be proved wrong

keep crying with your atheist youtubers
u talk about facts and history when your source is a youtuber jfl
now u insult me because I don't want to watch your favourite youtuber
go back to reddit

 

[ScornedStoic]

keep crying with your atheist youtubers
u talk about facts and history when your source is a youtuber jfl
now u insult me because I don't want to watch your favourite youtuber
go back to reddit

This was transparent and weak as fuck
Like a toddler crying "NUH UH, YOU ARE"
Keep running away little boy and talking to your imaginary friend because you're too mentally weak and fragile to entertain new ideas

 

[Lookscel]

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Lmao

 

[Mainländer]

2. Jesus was ""sacrificing"" himself to himself. That's not a sacrifice.

The Father and the Son are not the same person, both together and the Holy Spirit are God. God is three in one, but each one of them is not the other.

3. He supposedly "sacrificed" himself by subjecting himself to the "wager of sin". i.e. eternal torment in hell, yet, as we know, later in the story he comes back. So he didn't even fulfill what his intention was; if the punishment for sin is death and Christ is taking that punishment, he should have stayed dead in hell forever, like everyone else punished for sinning before Jesus and after him that don't believe in fairy tales. Him coming back completely negates any worth to this whole endeavour.

He could pay the astronomically high price of everyone's sins because He's God. For us, it'd take the eternity to pay even for just our own, but since He's God, he can pay for everyone's sins in such a short time. Also, He was sinless, that's also why His sacrifice was so significant. We are not sinless, we deserve hell. Sin is something extremely serious.

You're a farmer of pigs, and one day, one of your pigs decides to go to the slaughterhouse, all on his own, because he's a magical pig. He knows this and knows he'll survive. He comes back a couple days after having his throat slit and tells you he did it for everyone but dedicates the sacrifice to himself.

Would you ever in your right mind say you sacrificed your pig?

You have an atheistic idea of death. Death according to the bible is not ceasing to exist. When you die you'll wake up and continue to live forever just as Jesus, either in heaven or in hell. If you don't want to go to hell, you just have to accept what Jesus did for you and trust that and nothing more. God set the rules, you may not understand them perfectly, but He made a way for you to be saved for free. Take it or leave it. If you humble yourself and accept it, the Holy Spirit will start working in you and you'll progressively understand God and the bible more and more. I was like you, things didn't make sense to me either, now they do. It's not something intelectual only, you have to have the Holy Spirit in you.

 

[ScornedStoic]

If you don't want to go to hell, you just have to accept what Jesus did for you and trust that and nothing more. God set the rules, you may not understand them perfectly, but He made a way for you to be saved for free. Take it or leave it.

No, he didn't. If we give you everything and assume god is how the bible says, and that he exists, he didn't just create a system that needlessly condemns the majority of every human to ever live to eternal torment. He did so forcing them down that path-an omnipotent omniscient god with a plan cannot coexist with free will. God then made me to have the brain and experiences I have, and knew that would make me an atheist, and then made the requirement for salvation something couldn't possibly hope to achieve meanwhile making it so that plenty of murderers and rapists can easily pass this test.

If god exists as described in the bible he is the height of evil, immortality and depravity. I would rather burn than worship such an infinitely unjust monster.

No one can choose hell or heaven because no one can choose belief. "Rejecting god" is a misnomer and a false dichotomy. You are presented with facts and evidence or, a lack thereof. And your previous experiences and personal disposition determines whether you believe it or not. You can't any more choose to believe in god than you can choose to believe you can fly. Do you reject Ra, or Odin? No. You just don't believe in them. You cannot reject what you do not believe in.