Serious Why do men mock other men for finding alternatives to relationships and casual sex?

[Deleted member 8353]

Whenever the topic is brought up, the reactions are always the same. People will make all sorts of assumptions about you, they will try to attack your character, and they'll passionately assert how much worse off you are than the 'normal' people. Obviously I understand why women would mock men for paying for sex, using sexdolls, having a waifu, and so on. As these things detract from a woman's value to men, in whatever minuscule way, such as not being able to siphon value from an incel through the use of onlyfans.

However I find it odd how often men try to shame each other simply for giving up on pursing women, as it really doesn't make any sense at all. Maybe it's an attempt to mog others, but asserting that you're better than a bunch of perpetual rejects isn't really going to impress anyone. Moreover, if we assume that men who give up could compete in any meaningful way if they didn't stop trying, then wouldn't other men be happy to hear of potential competition removing themselves from the game? To me, it seems like there is some sort of insecurity or doubt which is often at the core of this bullying. Maybe people just don't like being forced to question the true value of their own pursuits.

Could it also be that our use of alternatives sheds light upon the inequality of the sexual marketplace, or even life in general? I suppose people will do everything in their power to defend their precious just world, and maintain their bluepilled beliefs.

 

[Personalityinkwell]

because most men are insecure

 

[Deleted member 24256]

because most men are insecure

 

[epillepsy]

You answered the question in your own post.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

You answered the question in your own post.

Probably, I guess I shouldn't have worded the title as a question tbh. It's more or less just my thoughts on the topic.

 

[Deleted member 14805]

Pretty much what you already stated in the OP, is that people as a whole like to believe the bluepilled world they live in is fine as it is. Why do you think they lose their shit whenever you bring up stuff like wealth inequality and the flaws of our current system? Same reason, apply that to theism as well. I guess the reason they act this way is, that these harsh truths about women, wealth, god etc. is too much for them to bear, so they go on defense mode so they can feel like they're making the right choices and also to convince themselves that everything is fine as is.

So yeah that's just the world we live in sadly. Imagine how much shit could get done if people stopped being weak, ingest the harsh truths and try and make changes to better the lives of us all. But alas, it's nothing more than a mere pipe dream. Sigh.

 

[NormScum]

It's annoying how whenever I tell guys I'm a virgin they always feel the need to give me terrible advice and help me. As if I've never tried those things before. Or they downright bully me for it.

 

[Deleted member 26032]

because most men are insecure

And base their value on female approval.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Pretty much what you already stated in the OP, is that people as a whole like to believe the bluepilled world they live in is fine as it is. Why do you think they lose their shit whenever you bring up stuff like wealth inequality and the flaws of our current system? Same reason, apply that to theism as well. I guess the reason they act this way is, that these harsh truths about women, wealth, god etc. is too much for them to bear, so they go on defense mode so they can feel like they're making the right choices and also to convince themselves that everything is fine as is.

So yeah that's just the world we live in sadly. Imagine how much shit could get done if people stopped being weak, ingest the harsh truths and try and make changes to better the lives of us all. But alas, it's nothing more than a mere pipe dream. Sigh.

Well these things never really seemed all that hard to accept for me. But then I suppose that I never had the same emotional investment that others do. It's difficult to maintain a false belief if life constantly slaps you in the face with evidence that your worldview is incorrect.

 

[ChronicPaincel]

Imagine how much shit could get done if people stopped being weak, ingest the harsh truths and try and make changes to better the lives of us all. But alas, it's nothing more than a mere pipe dream. Sigh.

 

[grondilu]

Good question tbh.

Normies are all about accepting everyone's kinks or whatever, but if you fuck an inanimated object, like a sex doll, they'll insult you and laugh at you. What exactly is in their heads ?

 

[Joelossus]

Like other people aready pointed out, you pretty much already answered your question in your post. But i'd also like to add the possibility, that perhaps, some men might actually be envious, and begrudge guys who acsended from needing females to validate them. Since that is something they will most likely never be capable of.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Good question tbh.

Normies are all about accepting everyone's kinks or whatever, but if you fuck an inanimated object, like a sex doll, they'll insult you and laugh at you. What exactly is in their heads ?

Normies seem to always say one thing but mean another.

But i'd also like to add the possibility, that perhaps, some men might actually be envious, and begrudge guys who acsended from needing females to validate them. Since that is something they will most likely never be capable of.

If it's true that some are envious then I doubt that men who feel this way are even consciously aware of it. As the desire for female validation is their own mental construct, and if they realized that they're envious of other men for not needing it, then it follows that they'd also realize that seeking validation which you'll possess makes you the constructor of your own discontentment and possible misery.

 

[your personality]

Whenever the topic is brought up, the reactions are always the same. People will make all sorts of assumptions about you, they will try to attack your character, and they'll passionately assert how much worse off you are than the 'normal' people. Obviously I understand why women would mock men for paying for sex, using sexdolls, having a waifu, and so on. As these things detract from a woman's value to men, in whatever minuscule way, such as not being able to siphon value from an incel through the use of onlyfans.

Their biggest achievement in life is having sex.

However I find it odd how often men try to shame each other simply for giving up on pursing women, as it really doesn't make any sense at all. Maybe it's an attempt to mog others, but asserting that you're better than a bunch of perpetual rejects isn't really going to impress anyone.

Yes, for the same reason that guys bully weaker guys when women are around to impress women.

Moreover, if we assume that men who give up could compete in any meaningful way if they didn't stop trying, then wouldn't other men be happy to hear of potential competition removing themselves from the game? To me, it seems like there is some sort of insecurity or doubt which is often at the core of this bullying. Maybe people just don't like being forced to question the true value of their own pursuits.

mgtow talk about this all the time. "Why do you care if I go my own way, more pussy for you right?".

I don't think it's insecurity, it's just seen as weird to not want much to do with women as a male. This weirdness is highly reinforced by media, music and popular culture.

As many incels here know, low status guys considered 'weird' are targets for bullying in grade school.

Could it also be that our use of alternatives sheds light upon the inequality of the sexual marketplace, or even life in general? I suppose people will do everything in their power to defend their precious just world, and maintain their bluepilled beliefs.

By the fact that there are some males that are less dependent on female validation, it does seem to bother people yeah.

Especially the guys that have sunk so much of their time into attracting women and don't want to feel like they wasted that time and made a fool of themselves.

Also as you see with PUAs and neomasculine tradcons, they live for other men showing them respect and admiration for being in a relationship with women. When a low status guy goes "meh, whatever" in response to them talking abuot how they enjoy pursuing women and how women are worth it, it pisses them off.

 

[TheIncredibleIncel]

Whenever the topic is brought up, the reactions are always the same. People will make all sorts of assumptions about you, they will try to attack your character, and they'll passionately assert how much worse off you are than the 'normal' people. Obviously I understand why women would mock men for paying for sex, using sexdolls, having a waifu, and so on. As these things detract from a woman's value to men, in whatever minuscule way, such as not being able to siphon value from an incel through the use of onlyfans.

However I find it odd how often men try to shame each other simply for giving up on pursing women, as it really doesn't make any sense at all. Maybe it's an attempt to mog others, but asserting that you're better than a bunch of perpetual rejects isn't really going to impress anyone. Moreover, if we assume that men who give up could compete in any meaningful way if they didn't stop trying, then wouldn't other men be happy to hear of potential competition removing themselves from the game? To me, it seems like there is some sort of insecurity or doubt which is often at the core of this bullying. Maybe people just don't like being forced to question the true value of their own pursuits.

Could it also be that our use of alternatives sheds light upon the inequality of the sexual marketplace, or even life in general? I suppose people will do everything in their power to defend their precious just world, and maintain their bluepilled beliefs.

Because men compete with each other and being a sexually undesirable specimen is not anything to be proud of in the world of men. Men brag about their body count all the time so I don't know why any of this would surprise you. Men like that let women define them.

 

[SlayerSlayer]

It's because they are better than you, and want to rub it in

 

[SuperMario64DS]

The insults are a natural, evolutionary mechanism to isolate, socially, bad genetic traits so you don't reproduce and die off.

 

[AlexanderTheGreat11]

because most men are insecure

 

[Deleted member 8353]

By the fact that there are some males that are less dependent on female validation, it does seem to bother people yeah.

Especially the guys that have sunk so much of their time into attracting women and don't want to feel like they wasted that time and made a fool of themselves.

Also as you see with PUAs and neomasculine tradcons, they live for other men showing them respect and admiration for being in a relationship with women. When a low status guy goes "meh, whatever" in response to them talking abuot how they enjoy pursuing women and how women are worth it, it pisses them off.

This just goes to show that things like the need for validation, ill-defined notions of value, and what constitutes fulfillment are all mentally constituted. Someone shouldn't have the power to take away the value and meaning from the life of another person, yet it seems that people often do have that power. This is why living for the sake of gaining approval is pointless at best, and it's generally self-flagellation.

 

[your personality]

This just goes to show that things like the need for validation, ill-defined notions of value, and what constitutes fulfillment are all mentally constituted. Someone shouldn't have the power to take away the value and meaning from the life of another person, yet it seems that people often do have that power. This is why living for the sake of gaining approval is pointless at best, and it's generally self-flagellation.

Idk this seems like discussion about philosophy and the meaning of life. I've already tortured my mind enough by thinking about that kind of shit, it just depresses me.

At the end of the day a lot of bullying and mogging comes down to how society views certain males as easy targets because of their weakness, social akwardness and perceived weirdness and seeks to portray them as more sinister as they are as an excuse to bully and mock them.

That's why so many bullying subs always say things like "I mean he looks pathetic, but by itself that isn't doing anything wrong, it's his views", "nothing wrong with being weird just don't talk shit about women".
They have to look for an excuse to go after you so they don't seem like bullies that are pointlessly picking on people for laughs when in actuality they are.

This becomes very clear when they say things like "It's hilarious reading what you clowns write, you give me a good laugh. It's too much fun to pick on guys like you!".

Just like trolls that persistently bully socially awkward guys "for the luls". They are bullies in denial.

 

[Incel_Because_Short]

Most men are insecure about their position in society, and will quickly take advantage of an opportunity that allows them to raise their position.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Idk this seems like discussion about philosophy and the meaning of life. I've already tortured my mind enough by thinking about that kind of shit, it just depresses me.

I have mixed feelings. While I've actually had people tell me that I have the most depressing view of life that they've ever heard, and that I'm just mentally ill or something, at the same time I don't actually feel all that bad about my life specifically because doing so would make me feel worse for no reason. There are certain things which take a fair amount of mental fortitude to accept, and people acquire this in all sorts of different ways. Sure this world might be hell, but a better world exists within my own mind, at nobody can ever take that from me.

It became easier to view the outside world honestly after I stopped valuing it. That said, I don't dwell on uncomfortable conclusions which I've already come to, as it serves no purpose. Sometimes I purposely stop myself from obsessing over things, or rehashing the same ideas in my mind.

At the end of the day a lot of bullying and mogging comes down to how society views certain males as easy targets because of their weakness, social akwardness and perceived weirdness and seeks to portray them as more sinister as they are as an excuse to bully and mock them.

That's why so many bullying subs always say things like "I mean he looks pathetic, but by itself that isn't doing anything wrong, it's his views", "nothing wrong with being weird just don't talk shit about women".
They have to look for an excuse to go after you so they don't seem like bullies that are pointlessly picking on people for laughs when in actuality they are.

This becomes very clear when they say things like "It's hilarious reading what you clowns write, you give me a good laugh. It's too much fun to pick on guys like you!".

Just like trolls that persistently bully socially awkward guys "for the luls". They are bullies in denial.

I know this all too well, as I've been bullied since I was young. Bullies usually come up with an excuse, but it all comes down an instinctual drive to destroy weak males, or they do it because you don't conform to societal standards. Eventually I just accepted that people are cruel, and since then I've generally avoided others.

 

[FlamingCel]

Sexhavers are sinners

 

[Deleted member 17719]

IT always tell incels to find hobbies, etc yet they make fun of incels who play video games all day, their hobby.

 

[tea]

because most men are insecure

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

normie see normie do

why do men mock other men for wanting unsullied foids of prime age(14) instead of old cum receptacle? because that's what the jewish overmind commands

 

[mNFwTJ3wz9]

because most men are insecure

normie see normie do

 

[ChinaCurry]

I'll be honest I give a hard time to my blue pilled friends, but only the ones in relationships, and I do this because:

1) relationships don't count if uve never slayed
2) QED they are in relationships with foids who have fucked more people than them
3) they support a wider socioeconomic system of cuckoldry and simpdom with their copes, like in most cases fine dining or trendy new restaurant
4) most importantly they don't accept they are coping and that they are much lower value than slayers, they insist 'you can't compare it's just a different lifestyle between me and Chris Evans'

 

[PPEcel]

Normies are pieces of shit, it's that simple.

Normie males think that it's pathetic for someone to visit an escort, because it's essentially "giving up" on one's sense of masculinity. I can see why Chads would think this, for ego-related reasons, but I really don't understand it when low-tier men mock other low-tier men for paying for sex.