Serious White Nationalism is a fake ideology. It is actually a cope

[Fontaine]

White Nationalism is not a political ideology that makes sense, but a psychological cope used by unattractive white men who desperately need a source of self-esteem (in this very case, their race).

I'm ready to debate with our resident Nazi Blackpill101 about this.

 

[justenditall]

"white nationalism" is an amerimutt meme. there is no "white nation".
there is a german nation, an english nation, a french nation, etc etc.
but no overarching "white nation". in fact the various white nations have been mortal enemies and at each others' throats for most of history.

if you wanna be a nationalist then at least be a nationalist for a real nation, not a made up one. "white nationalism" is just as artificial as the cringy "european nationalism" that EU shills from brussels are trying to push.

 

[VinnyVan]

"white nationalism" is an amerimutt meme. there is no "white nation".
there is a german nation, an english nation, a french nation, etc etc.
but no overarching "white nation". in fact the various white nations have been mortal enemies and at each others' throats for most of history.

if you wanna be a nationalist then at least be a nationalist for a real nation, not a made up one. "white nationalism" is just as artificial as the cringy "european nationalism" that EU shills from brussels are trying to push.

Culture and language took far less time to form than major genetic differences we see today.
You can't tell a difference between a German or a French by looking at him but you can tell a difference between a white man and a black man.

Many countries or languages are no older than a few centuries while a white european genetic make-up is older than tens of thousand years.

 

[Deleted member 3385]

incels that care about race haven't been fully blackpilled

jfl at stormfagcels and their loyalty to white women, these same white women that have ignored them their whole life.

They are literally beta orbiters for white females, the most pathetic kind of orbiters.

 

[WarriorSkull]

"white nationalism" is an amerimutt meme. there is no "white nation".
there is a german nation, an english nation, a french nation, etc etc.
but no overarching "white nation". in fact the various white nations have been mortal enemies and at each others' throats for most of history.

if you wanna be a nationalist then at least be a nationalist for a real nation, not a made up one. "white nationalism" is just as artificial as the cringy "european nationalism" that EU shills from brussels are trying to push.

The point is that in this modern world there needs to be some designation for these whites who come from different nations to rally behind. The "nationalism" is simply the word that encompasses the largest amount of shared values that various whites identify with. We know there is no such thing as "whites", but frittering over traditional ethnic rivalries is the primary source of D&C for those who subvert and undermine white nations as a whole. Nobody is asking germans to not be germans or the french to not be french. The idea is that Germans and French are a lot more in common than some third world refugee granted german or french citizenship by some jew, which is much harder to argue when you argue for civic nationalism.

 

[anondump]

I dont care about the race aspect, just the enforced christianity/monogamy.
Id be more in favor of italian facism.

 

[Jockcel]

White Nationalism can only be valid in the US as other white nations are different from each other in terms of culture, language, religion and even appearance. I cringe everytime someone says "we should create a white nation", bitch the world is not like America where everybody speaks one language and has no real culture/traditions and history of nationalism. Those motherfuckers really think Europe is one giant country like America.

 

[VinnyVan]

White Nationalism is not a political ideology that makes sense, but a psychological cope used by unattractive white men who desperately need a source of self-esteem (in this very case, their race).

I'm ready to debate with our resident Nazi Blackpill101 about this.

You use straw men to shame whites who wish to work in their interests. Brown people come to white countries and what do they do? They group together and work against the white man. They lobby for laws which allow more of their fellow nonwhites to migrate, they are in favor of diversity quotas and more.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Nationalism is a meme in and of itself, yet human society seems to need it to maintain functionality.

 

[VinnyVan]

White Nationalism can only be valid in the US as other white nations are different from each other in terms of culture, language, religion and even appearance. I cringe everytime someone says "we should create a white nation", bitch the world is not like America where everybody speaks one language and has no real culture/traditions and history of nationalism. Those motherfuckers really think Europe is one giant country like America.

European union already is like one giant nation and most Europeans know how to speak English. Mass immigration will lead to destruction of European nations sooner or later because a black, asian, or arab migrants will not care about speaking French or German.

 

[Jockcel]

European union already is like one giant nation and most Europeans know how to speak English. Mass immigration will lead to destruction of European nations sooner or later because a black, asian, or arab migrants will not care about speaking French or German.

That's where you are wrong, kid. Migrants actually learn the language of the country they move to and try to assimilate into the culture. Don't talk about shit you don't know.

 

[Fontaine]

Nationalism is a meme in and of itself, yet human society seems to need it to maintain functionality.

It's a shared web of belief. See Yuval Noah Harari's Sapiens on this. Webs of belief come and go every three centuries or so. Most modern countries didn't even exist three centuries ago, and won't exist anymore in three centuries. Right now you can find men who'll beat you to a bloody pulp for saying this, but in three centuries their offspring will beat you for saying the same thing about the Intergalactic Confederation or wtv.

You use straw men to shame whites who wish to work in their interests. Brown people come to white countries and what do they do? They group together and work against the white man. They lobby for laws which allow more of their fellow nonwhites to migrate, they are in favor of diversity quotas and more.

Few brown people actually group together. Blacks in the US are very atomized and individualistic.

 

[VinnyVan]

That's where you are wrong, kid. Migrants actually learn the language of the country they move to and try to assimilate into the culture. Don't talk about shit you don't know.

No they don't. They speak a broken version of the language and help themselves with broken version of English language. And when they live in large communities of similar people they can get away with speaking their native language all the time.

The end deal will be just a bunch of migrants who will speak their native language+ English to communicate with other migrants.

 

[justenditall]

Migrants actually learn the language of the country they move to and try to assimilate into the culture.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

It's a shared web of belief. See Yuval Noah Harari's Sapiens on this. Webs of belief come and go every three centuries or so. Most modern countries didn't even exist three centuries ago, and won't exist anymore in three hundred centuries.

It's not any particular brand of nationalism that is necessary, but nationalism itself, at least to a certain degree. More specifically, the feelings of attachment and belonging to a society, as well as the knowledge that your contributions to that shared belief system extend beyond your own lifespan. People shape this for their descendants, patterns of belief for them to maintain, and ultimately attain some form of immortality. Religion functions in a similar way.

 

[Dispair]

Why should i give a shit about white women when white women don't give a shit about me?

 

[WarriorSkull]

It's a shared web of belief. See Yuval Noah Harari's Sapiens on this. Webs of belief come and go every three centuries or so. Most modern countries didn't even exist three centuries ago, and won't exist anymore in three centuries. Right now you can find men who'll beat you for saying this, but in three centuries their offspring will beat you for saying the same thing about the Intergalactic Confederation or wtv.

The debate you're trying to have is a semantic one. No one gives a shit about the "nation" so much as they care for the freedom to segregate themselves from those they do not wish to live amongst. Hard stop. Whether segregation is a "nation" that currently exists or to be newly formed is irrelevant. The point is there is not going to be a multicultural nor racially integrated solution. There are significant portions of all races that wish to live amongst their own. These groups will not accept being ruled over by governments that don't resemble their own and will get even more disgruntled if the police force doesn't resemble them. Any people amongst these group who do not care to segregate will either be mixed out, left without allies during a larger conflict, or simply realize that they're only chance for survival is amongst their own.

The point is, it doesn't matter what you believe. It doesn't matter if you think racism is bad. It doesn't matter if you're a blackpilled nihilist who believes in nothing. This is what is happening and nothing will stop it.

 

[VinnyVan]

[QUOTE="Fontaine,

Few brown people actually group together. Blacks in the US are very atomized and individualistic.[/QUOTE]

Not only do they group together they also work together with other nonwhites as "POC". They vote together, they protest together and they even join hands in riots.

Blacks, Arabs, Asians together rioting in Paris against the white man. Even when a Chinese is stabbed by a black they riot together against whites.

 

[JackAutismo]

Yuval Noah Harari's

Sounds like a kike; the Jews are a pollutant who exist solely to undermine the Christian white man (I don’t actually believe in god but think enforced monogamy and other Christian ideas are right) and the white race can and should exterminate all the Jews and gays and third world invaders who are going to destroy one one true culture.

 

[VinnyVan]

Reminder that racial segregation happens naturally in prisons because you can't survive as a lone white man against groups of Mexicans, Blacks, Arabs, Asians who group together and target single whites.

Whenever brown people migrate to white countries they attack natives in groups which in return pushes natives to group together. It happens all over Europe, groups of whites gather and attack violent groups of nonwhites but get charged for hate crime and get dealt with.

 

[Fontaine]

It's not any particular brand of nationalism that is necessary, but nationalism itself, at least to a certain degree. More specifically, the feelings of attachment and belonging to a society, as well as the knowledge that your contributions to that shared belief system extend beyond your own lifespan. People shape this for their descendants, patterns of belief for them to maintain, and ultimately attain some form of immortality. Religion functions in a similar way.

Indeed. However, this immortality is largely an illusion, as history has shown. The same goes for having children or leaving works of art behind.

All of these things are copes for our actual inevitable personal death and annihilation. Terror management theory, or as Woody Allen said, "I want to reach immortality by not dying".

 

[anondump]

[QUOTE="Fontaine,

Few brown people actually group together. Blacks in the US are very atomized and individualistic.

Not only do they group together they also work together with other nonwhites as "POC". They vote together, they protest together and they even join hands in riots.

Blacks, Arabs, Asians together rioting in Paris against the white man. Even when a Chinese is stabbed by a black they riot together against whites.[/QUOTE]
Lol eurofags are so cucked its not even funny.
Atleast in america there is still some resemblance of masculinity.
Its like you guys turned your countries into a kindergarden classroom.

 

[Jockcel]

No they don't. They speak a broken version of the language and help themselves with broken version of English language. And when they live in large communities of similar people they can get away with speaking their native language all the time.

The end deal will be just a bunch of migrants who will speak their native language+ English to communicate with other migrants.

You are a fucking retard who doesn't know shit about the actual situation in Europe. Of course the migrants speak broken version of the language first few years as learning a language is not easy, I am sure you have never bothered learning one. Second of all, refugees are usually housed around different nationalities so they speak with each other in the language of the country they are in. Just stop making fool of yourself.

 

[JackAutismo]

Even when a Chinese is stabbed by a black they riot together against whites.

To a coloured person it’s likely they will claim the gook brought it on themselves; blacks have an inability to own responsibility when they ape out.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Indeed. However, this immortality is largely an illusion, as history has shown. The same goes for having children or leaving works of art behind.

All of these things are copes for our actual inevitable personal death and annihilation. Terror management theory, or as Woody Allen said, "I want to reach immortality by not dying".

I fully agree. Almost everything unessential that we do is a cope.

 

[Fontaine]

Sounds like a kike; the Jews are a pollutant who exist solely to undermine the Christian white man (I don’t actually believe in god but think enforced monogamy and other Christian ideas are right) and the white race can and should exterminate all the Jews and gays and third world invaders who are going to destroy one one true culture.

Simplistic vision. If the history of the Jews proves something, it's that they never managed to agree on anything, hence their difficulty forming a State.

 

[JackAutismo]

The white man is superior to these dark races; just look at how white majority countries prospered whilst negroes lived in mud huts and other cultures like those in Asia have only succeeded by plagiarising white goods.

 

[Fontaine]

Reminder that racial segregation happens naturally in prisons because you can't survive as a lone white man against groups of Mexicans, Blacks, Arabs, Asians who group together and target single whites.

Taking the dumbest and most primitive of all men (prisoners) as examples of rational and advanced intelligent behavior is mildly funny.

If I went to prison, I would not look for whites to protect me: I would try to befriend the biggest and strongest Black I can find.

 

[Pasteleiro]

It's a cope because patriarchy will never raise again. Despite that, forced assimilation doesn't work and mass immigration is a problem.

 

[anondump]

Taking the dumbest and most primitive of all men (prisoners) as examples of rational and advanced intelligent behavior is mildly funny.

If I went to prison, I would not look for whites to protect me: I would try to befriend the biggest and strongest Black I can find.

You sound like a major cuck.
The blacks would act friendly then turn around and slap you and make a list of the stuff they want from you.

 

[_incelinside]

The white man is superior to these dark races; just look at how white majority countries prospered whilst negroes lived in mud huts and other cultures like those in Asia have only succeeded by plagiarising white goods.

The thing I notice about most African/third world countries is that they are tribalistic and individualistic. They have no need to form and maintain a state or technology because their envroment/climate didn't require it for survival. You can use the 'IQ' cope but the IQ of europeans 400 years ago was on a similar level to blacks/ethnics today.

 

[Fontaine]

You sound like a major cuck.

I have met many foreigners who were authentically friendlier to me than many whites. No cuckoldry in this observation.

 

[IsolationHurts]

Agree.


Anyway, there are worse copes imho

 

[VinnyVan]

You are a fucking retard who doesn't know shit about the actual situation in Europe. Of course the migrants speak broken version of the language first few years as learning a language is not easy, I am sure you have never bothered learning one. Second of all, refugees are usually housed around different nationalities so they speak with each other in the language of the country they are in. Just stop making fool of yourself.

I live in Europe and have traveled to several European countries. Even brown people born in Europe often do not speak the language of the country properly because at home they speak a different language and have mostly non white friends.

It's even worse when nonwhites born here take written tests in language because most of them struggle to get above 50%.

Taking the dumbest and most primitive of all men (prisoners) as examples of rational and advanced intelligent behavior is mildly funny.

If I went to prison, I would not look for whites to protect me: I would try to befriend the biggest and strongest Black I can find.

You speak of intelligence and yet not one white country has been improved by taking in brown migrants.
Quite the opposite. The migrant ares are known for being abnormally violent inside a country with low crime rates.

London for example all the sudden has problem with mass stabbings which it did not have since anyone can remember. Paris is a place of constant riots by nonwhites. Stockholm has become the rape capital of Europe.

Also mass importing blacks and arabs is destructive purely by looking at the average IQ of those groups.

 

[Unknown Status]

How come every conclusion you come to ends with White genocide?

 

[Opus132]

If I went to prison, I would not look for whites to protect me: I would try to befriend the biggest and strongest Black I can find.

That's really blue pilled tbh

White Nationalism is not a political ideology that makes sense, but a psychological cope used by unattractive white men who desperately need a source of self-esteem (in this very case, their race).

The problem with white nationalism is that it is a product of the same disease it is intended to fight against, that is, modernism. Yes, race is real, and racial differences are real as well, but the question isn't as simple as white nationalists would have it. For starters, there's really no such thing as a single "white" race if we look at biology only. Whites come in different shapes and sizes and there's no way you can single out a single strain while ignoring ethnicity and nationality. You cannot have German nationalism while believing in Nordic supremacy when many Germans aren't Nordic, including many prominent Germans (like Beethoven, who was 100% Alpine and had no trace of Nordic blood in him whatsoever). Abraham Lincoln being Dinaric doesn't make him any less American than Nordic George Washington, and so forth.

Second, race is of the spirit before it is of the body, something many would be modern Nazis don't seem to understand (but a lot of actual Nazis did). The most prominent example of this are the Jews, who are actually a spiritual race which links a bunch of different racial strains together. Prominent racial theorists like Hans F. K. Günther went so far as say Jews weren't actually a race at all, but something of a nation, and it is clear the Third Reich was meant to be the European answer to Jewish nationalism, which was never gonna work because there was no way Europeans could have build a pan national racial consciousness overnight when Jews had it for hundreds of years.

To me, the only identity that can bind Europeans together would have been Christianity, if it didn't fragment into Protestantism, which to me is what paved the way for the Jewish conquest of European culture in the first place. Christianity actually allows for the preservation of ethnic cohesion while providing a pan national identity, much like Islam does in the middle east. This is most true in Orthodox Christianity, probably the only form of Christianity that has remained truly traditional. Jay Dyer was attempting to argue this when debating Richard Spencer but he wasn't allowed to elaborate on this point to the full since Spencer just went on and on forever and just wouldn't shut up through most of the debate. Eitherway, all of this moot because Nazis actually hate Christianity.

 

[tyronius-maximus]

incels that care about race haven't been fully blackpilled

jfl at stormfagcels and their loyalty to white women, these same white women that have ignored them their whole life.

They are literally beta orbiters for white females, the most pathetic kind of orbiters.

This tbh tbh

To a coloured person it’s likely they will claim the gook brought it on themselves; blacks have an inability to own responsibility when they ape out.

Did you take responsibility for steven paddock shooting over 100 people?
Anyway, I'm just waiting for all these people throwing the word cuck around to answer why they worship white women so much when white women would actually spit in their face if they saw how ugly they were?

 

[Pewaraw]

This tbh tbh

Anyway, I'm just waiting for all these people throwing the word cuck around to answer why they worship white women so much when white women would actually spit in their face if they saw how ugly they were?

Who warships white woman? If a woman's hot I can't give less of a fuck which race she is. And worshipping woman can't be good because if you somehow managed to escape the inceldom it would be a very onesided relationship and you would probably be cucked, because she needs a man and not a slave.

 

[Evildoer]

Why should i give a shit about white women when white women don't give a shit about me?

 

[Lord Of Skulls]

White nationalism is for self-hating kike faggots who marry ethnic sluts (if they marry at all) and preach about how we should all be white power ideologues instead of trying to fix ourselves to get out of incel. Then their ethnic slut wives, assuming they have one, cheat on them with Chads and Tyrones while they're out trying to recruit sexually frustrated white beta manlets like themselves.

The self-proclaimed "defenders of the white race" are always the genetic detritus of it, and are universally despised by everybody for this and other reasons.

Race-centric ideologies are one of the biggest copes on the planet, like religion, but dumber. At least believing in magical sky people can get you a girlfriend in some cases.

 

[Fontaine]

The self-proclaimed "defenders of the white race" are always the genetic detritus of it, and are universally despised by everybody for this and other reasons.

Legit. Only reason Spencer got so popular is because he's the first guy in decades to contradict the usual stereotype. Yet he is still a loser (majored in English, no prestigious occupation).

 

[Lord Of Skulls]

Legit. Only reason Spencer got so popular is because he's the first guy in decades to contradict the usual stereotype. Yet he is still a loser (majored in English, no prestigious occupation).

Legit, I fucking hate leftard Antifags but I lol'd when I saw him get punched in the face

 

[Bronzehawkattack]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opinion/sunday/alt-right-asian-fetish.html
http://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/V...supremacist-social-media-posts-457296573.html
White nationalism is a contradiction because white nationalists often like to marry Asian women since white men are the ones who ultimately benefit the most from race-mixing.

 

[Deleted member 1252]

Pretty much anything race-related is cope. Whether it’s white nationalist coping or JBW coping, it’s still retarded and low IQ.

 

[tyronius-maximus]

White nationalism is for self-hating kike faggots who marry ethnic sluts (if they marry at all) and preach about how we should all be white power ideologues instead of trying to fix ourselves to get out of incel. Then their ethnic slut wives, assuming they have one, cheat on them with Chads and Tyrones while they're out trying to recruit sexually frustrated white beta manlets like themselves.

The self-proclaimed "defenders of the white race" are always the genetic detritus of it, and are universally despised by everybody for this and other reasons.

Race-centric ideologies are one of the biggest copes on the planet, like religion, but dumber. At least believing in magical sky people can get you a girlfriend in some cases.

This. Why in the HELL, ESPECIALLY in ultra pc 2018, would you openly be a white nationalist? Open racism is one of the easiest ways to get girls to avoid you, no matter who they fuck behind closed doors just because of the social stigma around it.

 

[Blackpill101]

Ethno nationalism is embraced by other races, but kikes like you only get mad when Europeans do it.

[QUOTE="Fontaine,

Few brown people actually group together. Blacks in the US are very atomized and individualistic.

"Not only do they group together they also work together with other nonwhites as "POC". They vote together, they protest together and they even join hands in riots.

Blacks, Arabs, Asians together rioting in Paris against the white man. Even when a Chinese is stabbed by a black they riot together against whites."

@VinnyVan is correct on this

 

[Lord Of Skulls]

Ethno nationalism is embraced by other races, but kikes like you only get mad when Europeans do it.


"Not only do they group together they also work together with other nonwhites as "POC". They vote together, they protest together and they even join hands in riots.

Blacks, Arabs, Asians together rioting in Paris against the white man. Even when a Chinese is stabbed by a black they riot together against whites."

@VinnyVan is correct on this

Yeah but white people did the Holocaust so fuck you white people! I bet you wanna bring back SLAVERY TOO!

Never mind the anti-Semitism and mass purges of Joseph Stalin or the fact that many rich African kings got richer capturing their enemies and selling them to Europeans and before that, Arabs. Not taking sides for real, I just want to cover my bases here.

On the up side, people are getting sick of the Left exploiting so called Pee Oh Cees and turning against the SJW shit. Let's hope these "woke" IDIOTS get ignored entirely, because it's worse to them than lining them up in front of a firing squad.

 

[Blackpill101]

Yeah but white people did the Holocaust so fuck you white people! I bet you wanna bring back SLAVERY TOO!

Never mind the anti-Semitism and mass purges of Joseph Stalin or the fact that many rich African kings got richer capturing their enemies and selling them to Europeans and before that, Arabs. Not taking sides for real, I just want to cover my bases here.

On the up side, people are getting sick of the Left exploiting so called Pee Oh Cees and turning against the SJW shit. Let's hope these "woke" IDIOTS get ignored entirely, because it's worse to them than lining them up in front of a firing squad.

Fuck off leftist fag. Each race did its own horrors, and the Jews, not whites, were responsible for communist purges.

 

[ElliotRodgerHere]

Few brown people actually group together. Blacks in the US are very atomized and individualistic.

Yeah this is not the case. 90%+ black people vote democrat every presidential election here in the US. They are the most cohesive voting block in the country, not at all individualistic

 

[Blackpill101]

Yeah this is not the case. 90%+ black people vote democrat every presidential election here in the US. They are the most cohesive voting block in the country, not at all individualistic

Even in Alabama they all voted for the leftist candidate. Whites need to get their shit together so the US won't become another South Africa. We have to fight the negroes and their Jewish masters.