Serious What's with all the out of touch old women that think Porn/video games are the root cause of the rise in sexlessness?

[LesscoBlob]

I would like to start off by saying that I have never seen any vilification of pornography outside dogmatic religious websites and groups. I have never heard normal young people make this argument because it's ridiculous to imagine if you have young people as friends yourself, or you are young. There are no reliable statistics on this so called epidemic because no one who interacts with young people even perceives of it as existing so there is no funding or will for legitimate data collection regarding porn.

It's important to point out that any possible """porn addiction""" would not be exclusive to men and women practically watch as much as men. Besides porn, women have always consumed romance novels which serves many of the same purposes as porn for women. Porn thus cannot explain the gap between male and female sexlessness.

It's also needed to recognize that virtually all young men watch porn and masturbate regardless of where they are on the attractiveness/sexual experience spectrum or even the religion spectrum. While again there is no evidence likely because experts don't even suspect this issue even exists, it is evident if you know any young attractive people. So porn is not causing people to have sex less. The same argument also applies to video games.

Porn has also been around for decades, at least since the 50s, so it cannot explain current trends in male sexlessness either. The trends in sexlessness are very recent so any effects of ANY cause must be exclusive to ONLY the last 5 years. Video games are similarly decades old.

Porn cannot explain why SIGNIFICANTLY more women are having sex than men, why men are having less sex frequently, or how alarmingly recent and quick the trend of sexlessness is. Porn and masturbation are instead just a centuries-old bogeyman that the old generation likes to blame when they refuse to think critically and uncover actual causes of problems, likely because thinking may reveal they are at least partially the cause of current problems.

Generally conservatives as a whole have moved away from these idiotic arguments that have been confined to literal militant religious sites thus far, but I've observed a rise in these arguments ever since some quack psychologist (which all fall apart at a logical level as I've described above) argued for porn addiction on that Atlantic article. I think it's time to stop purporting any of the "psychologist"'s arguments (many of them fall flat upon closer analysis) and either try to come up with our own reasons or wait for the experts to give this issue a closer look.

 

[LesscoBlob]

@Grim_Reaper , @wereq @DarkStarDown and @CopingForBrutality thoughts?

 

[ItsJoever]

I think that the rise of sexlessness in men is due to the increase of women's hypergamy due to the rise of Online Dating.

They're just trying to shift the blame on men again, in other words H2O.

 

[dungeondragon]

>out of touch old women

>but I've observed a rise in these arguments ever since some quack psychologist (which all fall apart at a logical level as I've described above) argued for porn addiction on that Atlantic article.

Seems par for the course that older folk would take such an article/inaccurate diagnosis at face value and attribute male sexlessness to such a specific cause. People like to wave hand and remove all nuance from a particular subject, saying just do x or y to escape peril and succeed. Most lack the context that we are privy to, after all.

If only they knew just how bad things were...

 

[lastchancel]

they are mistaking a symptom of the problem for being the cause

 

[LesscoBlob]

Seems par for the course that older folk would take such an article/inaccurate diagnosis at face value and attribute male sexlessness to such a specific cause. People like to wave hand and remove all nuance from a particular subject, saying just do x or y to escape peril and succeed. Most lack the context that we are privy to, after all.

If only they knew just how bad things were...

I just can't understand why so many women especially blame porn/masturbation considering the fact that women watch porn basically as much as men (this is a FACT, NOT an opinion) and the average "gamer" is a 50 year old woman.

 

[LesscoBlob]

It's the other way around, the consumption of pornography and copes like video-games have increased as a result of hypergamy, it's been used as a coping mechanism for so many sexless or dry spelled men. This isn't only for incels, it applies for married men in marriages with sex, it's not like everyone is living a fulfilled love life, many men are unsatisfied because they are tied up to a partner, they are scared because the gynocratic system may go against them so they use the means of video games and pornography as a means to escape reality.

Furthermore old women are just so traumatised because they have hit the wall and aren't getting the same attention they used to before, so they project their insecurities on pornography which is an idealised grand version of what men fantasise about, and since they can't fight it they shift the blame to that. It's why it's so common that women even get mad at even Chads like Leonardo Di Caprio for going for prime women calling it creepy even though they're above legal age, they're angry that Chad isn't going for them. This applies to sexbots too, it won't trigger young women since Chad is still available, but sexbots will definitely be popular amongst everyone else, and guess who will start blaming sexbots for widespread sexlessness? Women above 30. But yet, none of them will really say the truth on why sexbots came about in the first place.

Also the Psychiatry and Psychology field is a bunch of bogus, I take everything they have to say with a grain of salt, its foundation was all built on a mountain of lies and suffering, the reason it's alive today is because of lobbying, it generates billions of dollars and boosts the economy. Having a suffered population is helpful for the private sector.

Very high IQ post. Honestly I'm very uncertain of the future of the field of psychology.

 

[dungeondragon]

I just can't understand why so many women especially blame porn/masturbation considering the fact that women watch porn basically as much as men (this is a FACT, NOT an opinion)

Thought-provoking; perhaps it lends to the idea that men are more extreme. Women masturbate on par with males - they usually also have a social circle and outlets outside of hedonism. Males do not, and thus outsiders simply see a sexless, friendless male coping with pornography and attribute their lowly status to that vice (disregarding that it is but a symptom and not the cause).

Coping also raised an interesting point, in that women feel the need to constantly be at the centre of male's attention. All work not directly or indirectly beneficial to females is viewed as undesirable. People feel entitled to male labour.

The image that the "female gamer" evokes is one that is sanitised, for the masses. Not as extreme as the stereotypical male gamer who invests hundreds of hours into video games, perhaps neglecting other areas of his life. Women's living spaces can be absolute filth, their hygiene poor, NEET - yet they'll still be viewed more favourably than if they had been male.

Who knows. The age-old question of why are male interests/vices/copes demonised more than their female counterparts.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Thought-provoking; perhaps it lends to the idea that men are more extreme. Women masturbate on par with males - they usually also have a social circle and outlets outside of hedonism. Males do not, and thus outsiders simply see a sexless, friendless male coping with pornography and attribute their lowly status to that vice (disregarding that it is but a symptom and not the cause).

Coping also raised an interesting point, in that women feel the need to constantly be at the centre of male's attention. All work not directly or indirectly beneficial to females is viewed as undesirable. People feel entitled to male labour.

The image that the "female gamer" evokes is one that is sanitised, for the masses. Not as extreme as the stereotypical male gamer who invests hundreds of hours into video games, perhaps neglecting other areas of his life. Women's living spaces can be absolute filth, their hygiene poor, NEET - yet they'll still be viewed more favourably than if they had been male.

Who knows. The age-old question of why are male interests/vices/copes demonised more than their female counterparts.

It's obvious that women have far larger and better social circles than men, but in that case the question is, if women engage in "hedonistic" activities as much as men, then why are they not nearly as sexless as men?

 

[dungeondragon]

It's obvious that women have far larger and better social circles than men, but in that case the question is, if women engage in "hedonistic" activities as much as men, then why are they not nearly as sexless as men?

The rules of the pursuer (man) apply not to the female. They operate on their own plane.
Born with inherent value. Very hard to fuck up in life - yet many eventually do, by their own hand no less.
With a constant revolving door of dick at their disposal, sex comes to them as readily as water.

 

[LesscoBlob]

The rules of the pursuer (man) apply not to the female. They operate on their own plane.
Born with inherent value. Very hard to fuck up in life - yet many eventually do, by their own hand no less.
With a constant revolving door of dick at their disposal, sex comes to them as readily as water.

Which, if you think about it means that female losers are WAY bigger losers than male losers.

 

[dungeondragon]

Which, if you think about it means that female losers are WAY bigger losers than male losers.

Of course. To lose as a female means you made a monumental, incomprehensible error somewhere along the road.
Single, childless women are shunned for that very reason.
Still, the image of the virgin/sexless older male remains all pervasive.

 

[Diddy]

They just think it's significantly reducing our interactions with foids, even though it makes zero difference.

 

[Mecoja]

They expect men to orbit foids for decades for a chance of starfish sex every blue moon. They think men when they get urges wank off to porn and move on instead of begging for crumbs of pussy.

 

[squirrelsonfire2]

they act like its the 1800s and you still need to be in a relationship to have sex as if a hole couldnt come over ride my dick then go home and never speak to me again

 

[Murder Mario]

I think that the rise of sexlessness in men is due to the increase of women's hypergamy due to the rise of Online Dating.

They're just trying to shift the blame on men again, in other words H2O.

This.

 

[dolph99]

Chicken and egg.

Loneliness leads to porn, but porn leads to loneliness. In my case i know this is a fact. I went to a large white university where all the whites were having sex, I could only cope by turning to porn. But then I got addicted to porn and used it ever since.

 

[Spooky_Heejin]

I would like to start off by saying that I have never seen any vilification of pornography outside dogmatic religious websites and groups. I have never heard normal young people make this argument because it's ridiculous to imagine if you have young people as friends yourself, or you are young. There are no reliable statistics on this so called epidemic because no one who interacts with young people even perceives of it as existing so there is no funding or will for legitimate data collection regarding porn.

It's important to point out that any possible """porn addiction""" would not be exclusive to men and women practically watch as much as men. Besides porn, women have always consumed romance novels which serves many of the same purposes as porn for women. Porn thus cannot explain the gap between male and female sexlessness.

It's also needed to recognize that virtually all young men watch porn and masturbate regardless of where they are on the attractiveness/sexual experience spectrum or even the religion spectrum. While again there is no evidence likely because experts don't even suspect this issue even exists, it is evident if you know any young attractive people. So porn is not causing people to have sex less. The same argument also applies to video games.

Porn has also been around for decades, at least since the 50s, so it cannot explain current trends in male sexlessness either. The trends in sexlessness are very recent so any effects of ANY cause must be exclusive to ONLY the last 5 years. Video games are similarly decades old.

Porn cannot explain why SIGNIFICANTLY more women are having sex than men, why men are having less sex frequently, or how alarmingly recent and quick the trend of sexlessness is. Porn and masturbation are instead just a centuries-old bogeyman that the old generation likes to blame when they refuse to think critically and uncover actual causes of problems, likely because thinking may reveal they are at least partially the cause of current problems.

Generally conservatives as a whole have moved away from these idiotic arguments that have been confined to literal militant religious sites thus far, but I've observed a rise in these arguments ever since some quack psychologist (which all fall apart at a logical level as I've described above) argued for porn addiction on that Atlantic article. I think it's time to stop purporting any of the "psychologist"'s arguments (many of them fall flat upon closer analysis) and either try to come up with our own reasons or wait for the experts to give this issue a closer look.

Because most women are NPC's with only two lines of code written in response to the sexlessness question.

 

[NorthernWind]

In the past there were many erotic and porn magazines so many men probably jerked to pics.
The thought that men masturbated less in the past is delusional.

 

[SmhChan]

In the past there were many erotic and porn magazines so many men probably jerked to pics.
The thought that men masturbated less in the past is delusional.

Yeah! But it didn't 'replace' foids. I mean the increased hypergamy is still a monumental advantage to them, but due to their solipsistic and rotten nature, any miniscule level of male cope is seen as a threat to their position in social hierarchy.

 

[Jotasso]

Because most women are NPC's with only two lines of code written in response to anything

fify

 

[LesscoBlob]

fify

What does this mean?

 

[FinnCel]

Same as people thinking guns cause mass killings.
People look at the effect, not the cause

 

[RegularManlet]

Foids don't have self accountability so they are taking the symptom of their actions and saying its the cause.

 

[SociallyStupid]

Yeah, the only people who prefer porn to real sex are people who had no chance of getting any real sex for a long time, so they got used to porn.
As long as men typically initiate, porn consumption of men cannot be the (main) reason of sexlessness.

 

[DonezoTheClown]

Of course porn and videogames do that. How are you gonna get laid if you sit in your house all day playing video games and smoking weed?

 

[IncelGolem]

Chicken and egg.

Loneliness leads to porn, but porn leads to loneliness. In my case i know this is a fact. I went to a large white university where all the whites were having sex, I could only cope by turning to porn. But then I got addicted to porn and used it ever since.

Agreed.

Nobody who had access to dating and sex would choose porn or video games over it.

 

[Cnidoblastos]

About porn, all the people watch this. Woman, chads... I met a chadlite fucker that assumed to me that he was addicted to porn. He and me met another times because I was into at a lot of heavy metal shows

 

[Jotasso]

What does this mean?

fixed it for you

 

[LesscoBlob]

fixed it for you

Ah, OK

 

[Nemesis]

Porn addicon woudn't exist, if you woud have a real alternative. A foid that wants to have sex with you. Here porn is useless, but sinc you're ugly that's youre only option