I was watching the interview that Miller did with 60 minutes in late 2019 an hour ago. It debuted last night.
Alaleh Kianerci (the prosecuting attorney) gave a statement emphasizing how brave the two swedes were because they were merely "engineering students" while Turner was an "athlete, chosen for his physical prowess".
The implication Kianerci was obviously trying to make was that he had some kind of jacked wrestler body and could've beaten the shit out of those two and that they just barely hung on for their lives because they were skinny nerds or some shit.
I don't know though, the pics I've seen of Turner don't make him look that intimidating to wrestle down. He seems like a thin ectomorph who got the shit kicked out of him:
One photo circulating seems to show him in front of a height chart implicating he is 6'6" tall but I'm skeptical of that:
One reason for the skepticism is you can see he's actually not flush against the wall of the jail with the numerical markings. There is a brown bench behind him which I would assume would be at least 1ft thick. It's actually unclear how you could use that to get accurate readings at all. Anyone who understands perspective knows that the more you move to the foreground, the larger you appear relative to things behind you.
Taking into account his poofy hair and the perspective something like 6'3" is probably more realistic. Swimmers don't exactly have a very solid height though. They're often going to be at maximum possible height (which can vary 1-2 inches throughoutt day based on hydration and stress) due to swimming tractioning their spines. At the end of a long day he'd probably be 6'1". If he's 6'3" here it's probably because he was lying down trying to sleep before leaving the jail, which would heightmax him temporarily.
Chanel Miller's height and weight were apparently mentioned at some point during the trial. Brock's attorney Mike Armstrong was quoted as asking about it:
Chanel answered "estimating, yes" and in response to "nothing is radically different" she said "no".
Unfortunately I can't find the rest of surrounding conversation so it's unclear as to what argument Armstrong was making in bringing those up, but I'd be interested in knowing.
A google gives me stats like 5'8" and 143lbs for Miller, but I don't know how reliable that is. Not sure why something like https://gossipgist.com/chanel-miller does not exist for Turner. What I do recall is that she affirmed having the nickname "Big Mama" so she actually could've been much heavier (more muscle to metabolize alcohol, more fat to absorb it) at the time.
Bill Whitaker (the man who interviewed her) is purportedly 6'1" and this is her walking with him
So she's obviously under 6 feet but I'm not so sure it's a full 4 inches under. 5'7" is certainly plausible.
Oprah Winfrey is apparently 5'6" and here is a comparison of them:
Notice the two subtle things that Chanel is doing to try and appear shorter than she actually is here:
1) arching her spine (shifting pelvis forward, shoulders back) which would lessen her height
2) leaning her head down and sideways toward Oprah
She likely heightmogs Oprah by 3-4 inches, not merely 2. So she's probably 5'9" or 5'10" making the height difference between her and a fatigued Brock merely 3-4 inches and not a full foot (12 inches) like they're trying to imply using creative photography.
You can also see in this shot that Chanel has thicc legs, they're probably still very muscular now (years later) and were even more muscular at the time. She admits to climbing up on a chair and dancing on it at the frat party: that's not something a spindly-legged curl unsteady on her feet would do.
All they've revealed about Chanel is that she got a degree in writing from a university, but they don't explicitly say she was not involved in sport herself. It is plausible she was, and that they've chosen to omit that. It could very well have been a talking point that she and Brock bonded over prior to walking off for some mutual masturbation.
Carl and Peter don't look like small guys IMO
Yeah they aren't jacked or anything, probably have a slight beer gut or something and bitch tits, but they obviously have at least slight chad genetics going for them and could probably take on Turner 1-on-1 when sober and have a decent chance.
To think that these guys couldn't dominate Turner sober (much less drunk) is pure fantasy and Kianerci is being deceptive to the public by implying it.
The narrative of this entire interview was very misleading. Chanel was arguing straw men saying critics were saying she 'deserved rape' for getting drunk, when the actual criticism is that she was not raped at all: that she invited and enjoyed digital penetration and panicked when her cheating was discovered and played dead to avoid accountability and throw her sex partner under the bus so he'd be falsely accused of rape and she wouldn't get dumped by her poor cuckold boyfriend Lucas.
tbh she probably didn't need to, I bet he would've taken her back anyway even if she admitted to asking for the fingerfuck
You can see she is a square-jawed thick-boned woman, has more masculine face than her BF, definitely not someone who could be pushed around or easily get blackout drunk.
From anyone who's studied the case, you'll know that variables were in her favor to have the data misinterpreted. I'll rehash them.
1) she ate a full meal before drinking which slowed the release of alcohol into her bloodstream, making her less intoxicated early on, but intoxicated for LONGER as it trickled into her blood throughout the following day: meaning more showed up in her blood test, making her seem drunker. Turner drank on an empty stomach, which made him more intoxicated, but for a shorter period of time, as it quickly worked it's way through his system, leaving little alcohol by the time they did the blood test on him HOURS later.
2) Emily just lay on her back for hours, the lack of physical activity meaning her metabolism would burn fewer calories, allowing the alcohol to linger for hours and show up high on the test. Turner was the active sex partner (she never got around to reciprocating his handy, for shame) and then got tackled by two swedes who individually mogged him, then 2 more guys, then the cops, then gets walked around to a jail where he's searched/printed/etc. All of this metabolic activity would've annihilated the alcohol in his blood stream, explaining why the reading was so low when they took it. Aside from liver metabolism, alcohol can also be exhaled from the mouth or sweat out from the skin, something Turner would've been doing in the melee.
3) Miller was years older than Turner (she was 23 he was 19 if I recall, so 4) meaning that her liver was older: meaning it works less efficiently and would take longer to clear alcohol from her bloodstream. This doesn't mean she was drunker (that all depends on how much you drank) but that she would inherently stay however drunk she was LONGER due to her liver producing enzymes to break it down slower. This is discussed at https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19536382/why-hangovers-are-worst-with-age/ for those curious " As you age, your liver produces less alcohol dehydrogenase, an enzyme responsible for breaking down the two types of booze (ethanol and methanol) present in most drinks, according to researchers in Germany. So when you down the same amount of alcohol you consumed 10 years ago, it hangs around your body longer, thereby extending your a.m. agony."
4) if indeed he was more muscular than Doe (which is certainly plausible, thogh I think they embellish the differences) even if they had eaten the same then had the same amount of physical activity, his muscle would have passively burned more calories regardless. This requires some biochem talk fellas:
The liver uses two enzymes (enzymes are PROTEINS) in the process of clearing up the toxin from your blood: first alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) oxidizes ethanol into acetaldehyde and then acetaldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) oxidizes it into acetic acid.
Someone with more protein in their system (which can be broken down into amino acids to construct enzymes when circulating aminos in the blood are low) would be able to produce more AD to bounce back from drunkenness sooner. It doesn't however help in the short term to prevent drunkenness, there's obviously some delay before it kicks in. So it's enough to make Brock score low on blood % hours later, but not enough to keep him sober from his drinks.
This is why protein cures hangovers: your circulating amino acids are depleted by the liver building a crazy amount of enzymes to detoxify your blood. Having lots of muscle means you have amino reserves if you can't take a whey shake. This is why you 'squat for arms': in moments when your gut isn't absorbing aminos from a perfectly timed shake, if you have copious amounts of protein in your thighs then your body can steal little bits when necessary at moments where they are needed to effect arm muscle repairs.
The MensHealth article I linked previously supports that:
"The milk and whey are stocked with cysteine, an amino acid that can help rid your body of hangover-inducing toxins, according to Jason Burke, M.D. "
Muscle is a COMPLETE protein: it can be broken down into all of the essential amino acids you'd need to convert into pretty much anything: so Brock's body, despite the lack of a meal, could feed upon it's own muscle to break down the alcohol in his system.
This is also how muscle helps avoid you getting sick: your immune system needs to make proteins out of circulating aminos too, so having a stockpile of aminos in your muscle protein is an emergency supply your body can grab for quick mass production if you don't happen to be breaking down a steak in your gut 24/7. Muscle is where protein is stored just like it also stores carbs (as glycogen) to supplement liver carbs: except liver doesn't store protein like it does carbs, so muscle is the only way. So gym-max and you will be 100% immune to all illness guys (jk)
Alaleh Kianerci (the prosecuting attorney) gave a statement emphasizing how brave the two swedes were because they were merely "engineering students" while Turner was an "athlete, chosen for his physical prowess".
The implication Kianerci was obviously trying to make was that he had some kind of jacked wrestler body and could've beaten the shit out of those two and that they just barely hung on for their lives because they were skinny nerds or some shit.
I don't know though, the pics I've seen of Turner don't make him look that intimidating to wrestle down. He seems like a thin ectomorph who got the shit kicked out of him:
One photo circulating seems to show him in front of a height chart implicating he is 6'6" tall but I'm skeptical of that:
One reason for the skepticism is you can see he's actually not flush against the wall of the jail with the numerical markings. There is a brown bench behind him which I would assume would be at least 1ft thick. It's actually unclear how you could use that to get accurate readings at all. Anyone who understands perspective knows that the more you move to the foreground, the larger you appear relative to things behind you.
Taking into account his poofy hair and the perspective something like 6'3" is probably more realistic. Swimmers don't exactly have a very solid height though. They're often going to be at maximum possible height (which can vary 1-2 inches throughoutt day based on hydration and stress) due to swimming tractioning their spines. At the end of a long day he'd probably be 6'1". If he's 6'3" here it's probably because he was lying down trying to sleep before leaving the jail, which would heightmax him temporarily.
Chanel Miller's height and weight were apparently mentioned at some point during the trial. Brock's attorney Mike Armstrong was quoted as asking about it:
Mike Armstrong said:
Chanel answered "estimating, yes" and in response to "nothing is radically different" she said "no".
Unfortunately I can't find the rest of surrounding conversation so it's unclear as to what argument Armstrong was making in bringing those up, but I'd be interested in knowing.
A google gives me stats like 5'8" and 143lbs for Miller, but I don't know how reliable that is. Not sure why something like https://gossipgist.com/chanel-miller does not exist for Turner. What I do recall is that she affirmed having the nickname "Big Mama" so she actually could've been much heavier (more muscle to metabolize alcohol, more fat to absorb it) at the time.
Bill Whitaker (the man who interviewed her) is purportedly 6'1" and this is her walking with him
So she's obviously under 6 feet but I'm not so sure it's a full 4 inches under. 5'7" is certainly plausible.
Oprah Winfrey is apparently 5'6" and here is a comparison of them:
Notice the two subtle things that Chanel is doing to try and appear shorter than she actually is here:
1) arching her spine (shifting pelvis forward, shoulders back) which would lessen her height
2) leaning her head down and sideways toward Oprah
She likely heightmogs Oprah by 3-4 inches, not merely 2. So she's probably 5'9" or 5'10" making the height difference between her and a fatigued Brock merely 3-4 inches and not a full foot (12 inches) like they're trying to imply using creative photography.
You can also see in this shot that Chanel has thicc legs, they're probably still very muscular now (years later) and were even more muscular at the time. She admits to climbing up on a chair and dancing on it at the frat party: that's not something a spindly-legged curl unsteady on her feet would do.
All they've revealed about Chanel is that she got a degree in writing from a university, but they don't explicitly say she was not involved in sport herself. It is plausible she was, and that they've chosen to omit that. It could very well have been a talking point that she and Brock bonded over prior to walking off for some mutual masturbation.
Carl and Peter don't look like small guys IMO
Yeah they aren't jacked or anything, probably have a slight beer gut or something and bitch tits, but they obviously have at least slight chad genetics going for them and could probably take on Turner 1-on-1 when sober and have a decent chance.
To think that these guys couldn't dominate Turner sober (much less drunk) is pure fantasy and Kianerci is being deceptive to the public by implying it.
The narrative of this entire interview was very misleading. Chanel was arguing straw men saying critics were saying she 'deserved rape' for getting drunk, when the actual criticism is that she was not raped at all: that she invited and enjoyed digital penetration and panicked when her cheating was discovered and played dead to avoid accountability and throw her sex partner under the bus so he'd be falsely accused of rape and she wouldn't get dumped by her poor cuckold boyfriend Lucas.
tbh she probably didn't need to, I bet he would've taken her back anyway even if she admitted to asking for the fingerfuck
You can see she is a square-jawed thick-boned woman, has more masculine face than her BF, definitely not someone who could be pushed around or easily get blackout drunk.
From anyone who's studied the case, you'll know that variables were in her favor to have the data misinterpreted. I'll rehash them.
1) she ate a full meal before drinking which slowed the release of alcohol into her bloodstream, making her less intoxicated early on, but intoxicated for LONGER as it trickled into her blood throughout the following day: meaning more showed up in her blood test, making her seem drunker. Turner drank on an empty stomach, which made him more intoxicated, but for a shorter period of time, as it quickly worked it's way through his system, leaving little alcohol by the time they did the blood test on him HOURS later.
2) Emily just lay on her back for hours, the lack of physical activity meaning her metabolism would burn fewer calories, allowing the alcohol to linger for hours and show up high on the test. Turner was the active sex partner (she never got around to reciprocating his handy, for shame) and then got tackled by two swedes who individually mogged him, then 2 more guys, then the cops, then gets walked around to a jail where he's searched/printed/etc. All of this metabolic activity would've annihilated the alcohol in his blood stream, explaining why the reading was so low when they took it. Aside from liver metabolism, alcohol can also be exhaled from the mouth or sweat out from the skin, something Turner would've been doing in the melee.
3) Miller was years older than Turner (she was 23 he was 19 if I recall, so 4) meaning that her liver was older: meaning it works less efficiently and would take longer to clear alcohol from her bloodstream. This doesn't mean she was drunker (that all depends on how much you drank) but that she would inherently stay however drunk she was LONGER due to her liver producing enzymes to break it down slower. This is discussed at https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19536382/why-hangovers-are-worst-with-age/ for those curious " As you age, your liver produces less alcohol dehydrogenase, an enzyme responsible for breaking down the two types of booze (ethanol and methanol) present in most drinks, according to researchers in Germany. So when you down the same amount of alcohol you consumed 10 years ago, it hangs around your body longer, thereby extending your a.m. agony."
4) if indeed he was more muscular than Doe (which is certainly plausible, thogh I think they embellish the differences) even if they had eaten the same then had the same amount of physical activity, his muscle would have passively burned more calories regardless. This requires some biochem talk fellas:
The liver uses two enzymes (enzymes are PROTEINS) in the process of clearing up the toxin from your blood: first alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) oxidizes ethanol into acetaldehyde and then acetaldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) oxidizes it into acetic acid.
Someone with more protein in their system (which can be broken down into amino acids to construct enzymes when circulating aminos in the blood are low) would be able to produce more AD to bounce back from drunkenness sooner. It doesn't however help in the short term to prevent drunkenness, there's obviously some delay before it kicks in. So it's enough to make Brock score low on blood % hours later, but not enough to keep him sober from his drinks.
This is why protein cures hangovers: your circulating amino acids are depleted by the liver building a crazy amount of enzymes to detoxify your blood. Having lots of muscle means you have amino reserves if you can't take a whey shake. This is why you 'squat for arms': in moments when your gut isn't absorbing aminos from a perfectly timed shake, if you have copious amounts of protein in your thighs then your body can steal little bits when necessary at moments where they are needed to effect arm muscle repairs.
The MensHealth article I linked previously supports that:
"The milk and whey are stocked with cysteine, an amino acid that can help rid your body of hangover-inducing toxins, according to Jason Burke, M.D. "
Muscle is a COMPLETE protein: it can be broken down into all of the essential amino acids you'd need to convert into pretty much anything: so Brock's body, despite the lack of a meal, could feed upon it's own muscle to break down the alcohol in his system.
This is also how muscle helps avoid you getting sick: your immune system needs to make proteins out of circulating aminos too, so having a stockpile of aminos in your muscle protein is an emergency supply your body can grab for quick mass production if you don't happen to be breaking down a steak in your gut 24/7. Muscle is where protein is stored just like it also stores carbs (as glycogen) to supplement liver carbs: except liver doesn't store protein like it does carbs, so muscle is the only way. So gym-max and you will be 100% immune to all illness guys (jk)
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