What life is like in national anarchism

[WizardofSoda]

Say you set up a rum bar on your front yard out of some old boards and lawn chairs. And all day people are stopping by to drink. Per plastic cup of rum and soda maybe you are making $2 in profit and selling 300 cups a day. That is $600 in profit a day. Lets say the rum bar is open 20 days a month.. that is $12,000 in profit a month.. $144,000 a year.

Meanwhile some European wagie working in some hopeless office non-job, he is making like $50,000 a year.

 

[WizardofSoda]

To get his job the European wagie also needed to go in school from grades K-12.. then a 4 year degree program in university.

 

[Retardinator]

What's your definition of national anarchism? How is it different from anarcho capitalism

 

[WizardofSoda]

What's your definition of national anarchism? How is it different from anarcho capitalism

That there is a state, its just very minimalist. Its like in the US we have one city, Dallas that was founded by these 300 or so families that were the landowners there of farms there. And they decided to have no zoning. Their intent was to grow the city's population by having wide open free markets, then they make money gradually selling off the land, and the families built shopping malls and things like that. Its now this metropolis of 8.2 million people with super commerce.

In my view the state can use its power instead of creating monopolies, to break them. Eg.. say in the contracts people are making all these restrictive covenants that prevent other people from having opportunity, the state can stop that.

In the original USA, the Federal government did have some powers given to it. For the roads so everybody could go everywhere on public roads, the post office, the currency, military, courts. The federal government in the US also stops states from preventing interstate commerce - a key aspect of America's wealth. And the federal government in the US has the Federal Trade Commission which stops monopolies.

 

[Pajeetsingh]

What's the validity of money if there's no state to enforce its value?

 

[accelERationist]

I categorically support all revolutions, so I welcome national anarchism, especially if we can synthetize some kind of national-anarcho-marxist-rodgerism.

 

[AcidTrip]

I’d much rather anarchy than modern human society. But to be honest, you need a society to proper functionally. Modern society is just so fucked.

 

[Pajeetsingh]

I categorically support all revolutions, so I welcome national anarchism, especially if we can synthetize some kind of national-anarcho-marxist-rodgerism.

 

[PopeOfCope]

National = state
Anarchy = no state

Am I missing something?

 

[Retardinator]

That there is a state, its just very minimalist. Its like in the US we have one city, Dallas that was founded by these 300 or so families that were the landowners there of farms there. And they decided to have no zoning. Their intent was to grow the city's population by having wide open free markets, then they make money gradually selling off the land, and the families built shopping malls and things like that. Its now this metropolis of 8.2 million people with super commerce.

In my view the state can use its power instead of creating monopolies, to break them. Eg.. say in the contracts people are making all these restrictive covenants that prevent other people from having opportunity, the state can stop that.

In the original USA, the Federal government did have some powers given to it. For the roads so everybody could go everywhere on public roads, the post office, the currency, military, courts. The federal government in the US also stops states from preventing interstate commerce - a key aspect of America's wealth. And the federal government in the US has the Federal Trade Commission which stops monopolies.

If there is a state it's not anarchism

You probably mean libertarianism

 

[WizardofSoda]

National = state
Anarchy = no state

Am I missing something?

The wording is almost intentionally contradictory for me. Its like I was talking about on another thread, its more aspirational goals. So right now in our current system cities could allow more businesses from peoples homes. And change the laws or not enforce current laws that have a ton of regulations on some small businesses. Eg.. what if at your rum bar you also start selling weed.

Also it can have Marxist or socialist aspects. When that rum bar guys is making $144,000 a year, I would expect he is going to be paying some taxes to support social programs for people left behind.

 

[DenHaag]

That there is a state, its just very minimalist. Its like in the US we have one city, Dallas that was founded by these 300 or so families that were the landowners there of farms there. And they decided to have no zoning.

I think you mean Houston

 

[WizardofSoda]

Yeah but then there's no NEETbuxx available to the disabled and otherwise disenfranchised.

Over time, the rum bar would expand to multiple locations and hire slave labor to staff its stores. While the owner buys 4 mansions and a yacht. Welcome to America

Ya but its the licensing that makes that possible. When you aren't allowed to start your own bar, because you don't have the licenses and the city won't give you them. And meanwhile that mansions guy is buddies with the people at the licensing department.

If those slave labor people were allowed to start their own bar, they aren't going to stay working at slave labor and that mansion guy getting all the profits.

What happens in America is there is only so many liquor licenses and they are all already owned. Then the bar you have to have it at certain premises that are authorized for bars. Which the rentiers who own that site charge like $20,000 a month for the rent. Then in America they tax the hell out of alcohol sales. So you aren't selling a glass for like $3 and making $2 profit.

All this creates large barriers to entry to get in the business. Like if I had a $million in cash I could buy up an operating bar with the liquor license. But how do you get a $million being a slave labor worker at low wages.. you don't.


Take away the licenses and state enforcing them, and all of a sudden you can get in the business and build up yourself.