What do you think of child labor?

[TheTurkeyNeck]

I'm for it, I think it can teach kids not to be weak and/or sensitive. Think about an average kid who worked in the factory in early 20th century vs a college student now. The factory kid is much more intelligent and wise. Plus child labor doesn't mean there can't be standards and regulations. I think the only reason people outlawed it is because people began being pussies.

 

[Emba]

Theys to week these day

 

[TheTurkeyNeck]

Tru

 

[Diogenescel]

I'm for it, I think it can teach kids not to be weak and/or sensitive. Think about an average kid who worked in the factory in early 20th century vs a college student now. The factory kid is much more intelligent and wise. Plus child labor doesn't mean there can't be standards and regulations. I think the only reason people outlawed it is because people began being pussies.

It NEEDS to be legalized. Like you said, there should be regulations, but kids need to have a viable path of escaping from their abusive parents without having to rely on the government, who will only do worse damage than the parents ironically.

 

[based_meme]

I think you need to make a stronger argument for child labor, besides increased intelligence (dubious) and wisdom (less dubious). Children need to be taught reading, writing and mathematics in order to develop and be competent members of society. In the olden days before K-12 education children did use to work, but it was for their families in farms and such, not for some corporation or slum lord, which means they reaped the benefits of their work and were not exploited.

 

[Diogenescel]

I think you need to make a stronger argument for child labor, besides increased intelligence (dubious) and wisdom (less dubious). Children need to be taught reading, writing and mathematics in order to develop and be competent members of society. In the olden days before K-12 education children did use to work, but it was for their families in farms and such, not for some corporation or slum lord, which means they reaped the benefits of their work and were not exploited.

I made an argument. Kids will always need a path to get out of abusive households, and for whatever reason the government seems incapable of properly raising children taken into their custody, so in this case they should be able to get emancipated and get a job. School is a meme anyways, most jobs are Walmart and Amazon.

 

[NocturnalCel]

I think it’s good for pajeets, and shitskins

 

[based_meme]

I made an argument. Kids will always need a path to get out of abusive households, and for whatever reason the government seems incapable of properly raising children taken into their custody, so in this case they should be able to get emancipated and get a job. School is a meme anyways, most jobs are Walmart and Amazon.

I said stronger argument. Plus, you didn't make the abuse argument in the first post, which is what I replied to.

You're implying that abusive households are the norm (they're not), and that child labor is the best way out of those abusive households. A foster home with better parents is arguably a better solution than indentured servitude to a government. As I said, the children still need an education to learn the basics.

There's also the issue of their psychological and social development that occurs amongst their peers in a school environment. Their development will be stunted, if they're working menial labor half the day in some factory for years on end.

And how the fuck is school a meme? What the fuck does that even mean?

 

[Diogenescel]

I said stronger argument. Plus, you didn't make the abuse argument in the first post, which is what I replied to.

You're implying that abusive households are the norm (they're not), and that child labor is the best way out of those abusive households. A foster home with better parents is arguably a better solution than indentured servitude to a government. As I said, the children still need an education to learn the basics.

There's also the issue of their psychological and social development that occurs amongst their peers in a school environment. Their development will be stunted, if they're working menial labor half the day in some factory for years on end.

And how the fuck is school a meme? What the fuck does that even mean?

It's an indoctrination camp. Most kids are going to school and still can't read or write for shit, but they know all the new genders and sex positions, why is that?

 

[based_meme]

It's an indoctrination camp. Most kids are going to school and still can't read or write for shit, but they know all the new genders and sex positions, why is that?

I agree that indoctrination occurs in schools (there's plenty of evidence for that all across the world), however, that's not reason enough to justify child labor. Also, to say that it's better for all children to be working instead of learning to read and write, because some of them are bad at it, is poor reasoning.

There's probably some argument you could make that makes child labor acceptable in under some circumstances, but likely not at the expense of education. You have a steep uphill battle.

 

[Diogenescel]

I agree that indoctrination occurs in schools (there's plenty of evidence for that all across the world), however, that's not reason enough to justify child labor. Also, to say that it's better for all children to be working instead of learning to read and write, because some of them are bad at it, is poor reasoning.

There's probably some argument you could make that makes child labor acceptable in under some circumstances, but likely not at the expense of education. You have a steep uphill battle.

I don't know man, my life would be significantly better if I could have just worked as soon as I was 10 instead of spending 8 hours listening to a foid teach me math incorrectly. I'd have a shit ton more money right now and would have been a man instead of a perpetual child like the school system creates.

 

[based_meme]

I don't know man, my life would be significantly better if I could have just worked as soon as I was 10 instead of spending 8 hours listening to a foid teach me math incorrectly. I'd have a shit ton more money right now and would have been a man instead of a perpetual child like the school system creates.

That's very difficult to say. What I can say, though, is that an educated society is a better society across all metrics (income, happiness, stress, general quality of life, crime etc.).

Besides, you don't know the compounding branches your life trajectory would have taken, had you worked instead of went to school. I also think it's unlikely that you'd have a shit ton of money because your parents might have withheld that money, or you would have spent it frivolously because you lacked the foresight and wisdom to save or invest that money (mostly because you'd be literally incapable of that, due to an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex), or you wouldn't have made the kind of money you're thinking of because you'd be a damn kid working a low skilled job (it's not like you'd be writing software at a FANG company).

 

[Diogenescel]

That's very difficult to say. What I can say, though, is that an educated society is a better society across all metrics (income, happiness, stress, general quality of life, crime etc.).

Besides, you don't know the compounding branches your life trajectory would have taken, had you worked instead of went to school. I also think it's unlikely that you'd have a shit ton of money because your parents might have withheld that money, or you would have spent it frivolously because you lacked the foresight and wisdom to save or invest that money (mostly because you'd be literally incapable of that, due to an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex), or you wouldn't have made the kind of money you're thinking of because you'd be a damn kid working a low skilled job (it's not like you'd be writing software at a FANG company).

Yeah, good points, but I'd rather live in a worse society if it meant no government.

 

[Doesitmatter?]

Work those bitches. Make them aware of the grim realities of life

 

[based_meme]

Yeah, good points, but I'd rather live in a worse society if it meant no government.

There's something that even anarchists probably wouldn't like to admit (if they're aware of it), and that's that all forms of human organization will always result in some form of government when the group is sufficiently large. One main reason is that most people (when grouped together) will either naturally pick a leader or a leader will naturally arise from the group to organize the group and solve the problems of the group. All societies will converge on some form of government.

It also occurs when some body or entity (private corporation, for example) gets large enough, since they become the defacto authority in the area in which they operate. They will have their own bureaucracy, administration, security and resources. It's a sad fact of life that government is unavoidable.

If there are any ardent, hardcore anarchists here who beg to differ, I'd like to hear from you.

 

[Diogenescel]

There's something that even anarchists probably wouldn't like to admit (if they're aware of it), and that's that all forms of human organization will always result in some form of government when the group is sufficiently large. One main reason is that most people (when grouped together) will either naturally pick a leader or a leader will naturally arise from the group to organize the group and solve the problems of the group. All societies will converge on some form of government.

It also occurs when some body or entity (private corporation, for example) gets large enough, since they become the defacto authority in the area in which they operate. They will have their own bureaucracy, administration, security and resources. It's a sad fact of life that government is unavoidable.

If there are any ardent, hardcore anarchists here who beg to differ, I'd like to hear from you.

Nope, your logic is sound. It's just a brutal blackpill I continuously have to swallow, as I despise government more than anything.

 

[based_meme]

Nope, your logic is sound. It's just a brutal blackpill I continuously have to swallow, as I despise government more than anything.

I despise government as well, for the same reason that I despise communism as a political philosophy: human nature and its corruptibility. If there was a solution to this problem, we'd have had some kind of Utopia by now.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

You just need to reduce school education and years of study at the university for several years and that's it. Education lasts an inexcusably long time, first it is 11 years of school, then 4-5 years at the university. In total, spending 15-16 years on education is a luxury.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

I'm for it, I think it can teach kids not to be weak and/or sensitive. Think about an average kid who worked in the factory in early 20th century vs a college student now. The factory kid is much more intelligent and wise. Plus child labor doesn't mean there can't be standards and regulations. I think the only reason people outlawed it is because people began being pussies.

In general, today the world has become so simplified that in most developed countries only: drivers are needed to transport goods; sellers, cashiers to sell goods; guards to protect goods.

 

[Abacaxi14]

I grew up in a shit country.

I worked as a kid and im fine. Besides inceldom of course.