Serious What do you think about moralfagging?

[Fontaine]

Moralfagging is the attempt to use moral arguments during debates. For instance, many far right men believe that interracial dating is immoral, implying somehow that those who engage in it will be punished sooner or later by the universe.

This is in contrast to, say, Nietzschean philosophy, which holds that all moral statements are baseless and should be ignored because they merely reveal personal biases / emotions.

My personal view is that unless you can back your moral arguments with actual threats, they are baseless. For instance, Christians have sensible moral arguments because they can back them with the threat of eternal suffering in Hell.

However, far right dudes usually are not able to back their morality with credible threats to those who violate it.

 

[Unwanted]

Morals are stupid. In the end, it's about who's stronger. Right now Soros jew liberal elite is stronger so they're winning, it doesn't matter if they're right or wrong. In their mind, they probably think they're doing the right thing, when in fact they're just stronger.

 

[Fontaine]

Morals are stupid. In the end, it's about who's stronger.

Yes, pretty much. Christian morality has reached great influence because they were able to convince people that the most powerful entity in the universe was their God, and that this God could punish violators.

Far right men only deliver empty threats, so their morality is subjective and baseless. They act like Hitler still rules the world, but he's dead and buried.

 

[iKillCucks]

Moral and ethics are for fucking soft cupcake soy boy sjw beta cucks pushed on the world by the slchomo shekle kikeberg zion

 

[Unwanted]

Yes, pretty much. Christian morality has reached great influence because they were able to convince people that the most powerful entity in the universe was their God, and that this God could punish violators.

Far right men only deliver empty threats, so their morality is subjective and baseless. They act like Hitler still rules the world, but he's dead and buried.

Do you support Soros?

 

[Fontaine]

Do you support Soros?

No, why??

 

[Kanakops]

they fucking need to shut up and stop try to "debate" at subject they can't understand

 

[Unwanted]

No, why??

That's good. Just wanted to know.

 

[VST]

Depends on what kind of morality we're talking about. The one that is biologically ingrained in us, or the one that society ingrains in us.

 

[skkurt_cobain]

You're still never gonna get a white girl in your life, no matter how hard you cope

 

[Fontaine]

Depends on what kind of morality we're talking about. The one that is biologically ingrained in us, or the one that society ingrains in us.

I don't believe there is a biologically ingrained morality. We're pretty much born amoral. The only thing we have is empathy and mirror pain, which children tend to apply very selectively (only to their friends). Perhaps also the sense of unfair exchanges / having been cheated.

 

[Not_Important]

Morals are stupid. In the end, it's about who's stronger.

Might makes right is the only code Chads are bound to.

 

[VST]

I don't believe there is a biologically ingrained morality.

Ofc there is, we are biologically designed to not eat other humans, not murder babies etc.

 

[Fontaine]

Ofc there is, we are biologically designed to not eat other humans, not murder babies etc.

Infanticide was practiced routinely in ancient Rome, Carthage, Mesoamerican and Celtic civilizations.

Many indigenous tribes are known to have practiced cannibalism. An interesting tidbit of history: when firearms arrived in New Zealand, a local tribe used them to genocide and eat an enemy tribe in an island off the coast.

 

[Gremlincel]

God, I'm tired of people believing in nothing but fear and power. I'm going to moralfag, without threats or religion, until I die, just to piss everyone off.

 

[VST]

Infanticide was practiced routinely in ancient Rome, Carthage, Mesoamerican and Celtic civilizations.

Many indigenous tribes are known to have practiced cannibalism. An interesting tidbit of history: when firearms arrived in New Zealand, a local tribe used them to genocide and eat an enemy tribe in an island off the coast.

good point tbqh.

 

[Fontaine]

God, I'm tired of people believing in nothing but fear and power. I'm going to moralfag, without threats or religion, until I die, just to piss everyone off.

Isn't morality still big among normies? Less than 5% of the population is amoral, and it's mostly harmless teenagers who listen to black metal

 

[PopeOfGuthix]

Moral arguments seem to be usable when you are engaging with somebody who shares the premises on which the morals are based. If both you and the person you are arguing with believe that increasing wealth and prosperity is good, then it is rational to use arguments for implementing policies for increasing wealth and prosperity. This could be called "moralfagging", since there is no objective a priori reason for preferring wealth and prosperity, but arguing for these particular preferences in the field of politics or economics is generally not regarded as moralfagging because of the ubiquity of these assumptions.

all moral statements are baseless and should be ignored because they merely reveal personal biases / emotions.

This point is moot because every assumption could be claimed to be due to a personal bias or emotion. Every assertion relies on multiple assumption nodes, which themselves rely on assumptions. Since humans cannot process an infinite number of assumptions rationally, we end up making assumptions which can be ascribed to personal bias. Arguing with somebody who refuses to share any of your assumptions is irrational, but if somebody shares your moral assumptions, biases, and emotions to some extent then it is not irrational to appeal to "morals" insofar as morals refer to the extent of a mutually preferred outcome between two parties that share moral or utilitarian assumptions.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

I don't believe there is a biologically ingrained morality. We're pretty much born amoral. The only thing we have is empathy and mirror pain, which children tend to apply very selectively (only to their friends). Perhaps also the sense of unfair exchanges / having been cheated.

I used to think this, though now I’m not so sure; I believe that there are some facets of human morality that are fairly universal and may be endogenous, granted the child is loved by both parents and doesn’t have a defective brain (some cases of psychopathy I place in this category.)
I think humans are biologically programmed to feel empathy for those who we grow up with, share some kind of identity or commonality with and we have a subconscious inclination to respond to these people with something resembling the Golden Rule.
In contrast, I think we are biologically programmed to dehumanise those who we perceive to be different to us on a subconscious level.
This behaviour is also observable in the great apes who are our closest relatives, it explains the prevalence of tribalism in pretty much every human society, especially the more basic and primitive ones who tend to be more cut off from people who are different from them.