LifeFuel We will witness the end of human labor in our lifetimes

[Transcended Trucel]

Every decade, the robots are getting better.


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Robots within the next 2-3 decades will actually be sophisticated Enough to replace blue collar jobs. And chatgpt and other bots will replace white collar labor within 2 decades


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Human labor will soon no longer be needed. Countries will no longer need any immigrants to grow their economies. they will just need to harvest metals and build bots to do the work. UBI will be more than possible soon enough. Only sad thing is richfags might just holocaust the Poors and middle classes as they won't need us anymore, but I guess we will find out what they do in upcoming decades.


Regardless of how this goes down, we will soon enough be witnessing the dawn of a new era. An era where even the best artist/musician/poet will be a machine and not a human. The best sculptor, the best doctor etc. All will be robots. The end of human labor awaits.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

@WizardofSoda thoughts? @AfricanIncel

 

[trying to ascend]

Will we have waifubots though?

 

[Mainländer]

Don't throw the box like that, idiot! If it breaks, it'll be discounted from your wage!

t. mr. Schlomo Goldberg Mechatron

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Will we have waifubots though?

I fear they'll be outlawed probably. Just like there are animal rights, race, queer activists. There will be AI rights activists. And they will riot till AI are given the same rights as humans, and as such waifu bots will probably be banned for being immoral.

 

[Azaylias]

 

[Transcended Trucel]

If the rich scum have any morals, they will use this new technology to finally free humanity of wageslavery once and for all. A world free of wageslavery, a world where no one ever had to suffer for shitty garbage paychecks will come to exist.

But there is a high probability they either eliminate the masses or give the bare minimum ( a shitty studio apartment and shitty lab grown trash tier food).

 

[ForevER_Manlet]

We'll all be neets

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

If the rich scum have any morals, they will use this new technology to finally free humanity of wageslavery once and for all. A world free of wageslavery, a world where no one ever had to suffer for shitty garbage paychecks will come to exist.

But there is a high probability they either eliminate the masses or give the bare minimum ( a shitty studio apartment and shitty lab grown trash tier food).

We won’t be free, we will just own nothing and will be “happy” (TM)

 

[Diddy]

Will we have waifubots though?

They'll never give us what we want.

 

[NirvanaFan1988]

The end of humanity

Too based to be good

 

[woebetide]

Will we have waifubots though?

You’re asking the important questions

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

View: https://youtu.be/Dfb_n7wjb5k

 

[bigantennaemay1]

Only sad thing is richfags might just holocaust the Poors and middle classes as they won't need us anymore, but I guess we will find out what they do in upcoming decades.

Death would be preferable to enslavement/encampment. But either way, this is a terrifying thought, and I hope I leave this world before it becomes reality.

 

[bigantennaemay1]

If the rich scum have any morals,

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Death would be preferable to enslavement/encampment. But either way, this is a terrifying thought, and I hope I leave this world before it becomes reality.

I truly hope we get the positive outcome where they use this tech to give everyone basic income and a solid house,car, robot maid for every citizen. But we will find out

 

[bigantennaemay1]

Will we have waifubots though?

In a just world, yes. But guess where we don't live? I'll give you one try.

 

[NoLooksNoLife]

Will we have waifubots though?

 

[bigantennaemay1]

I truly hope we get the positive outcome where they use this tech to give everyone basic income and a solid house,car, robot maid for every citizen. But we will find out

It'd be nice, but don't hold your breath. The depth of human cruelty is limitless.

 

[Martes]

We won’t be free, we will just own nothing and will be “happy” (TM)

 

[tasm]

Pure cope, we will wageslave until we die. If anything they'll get rid of retirement in our lifetime

 

[Diocel]

 

[incelerated]

And how is that good news?
They'll put us all in concentration camps. The ONLY reason we are allowed to live is because the rich need us.
Delusional if you think this is going to make your life better.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

And how is that good news?
They'll put us all in concentration camps. The ONLY reason we are allowed to live is because the rich need us.
Delusional if you think this is going to make your life better.

true this might work out really bad for us. I guess we will find out one way or another

 

[erenyeager]

Every decade, the robots are getting better.


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Robots within the next 2-3 decades will actually be sophisticated Enough to replace blue collar jobs. And chatgpt and other bots will replace white collar labor within 2 decades


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/10apw4f/chargpts_ability_to_create_boilerplate_c_code_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf



Human labor will soon no longer be needed. Countries will no longer need any immigrants to grow their economies. they will just need to harvest metals and build bots to do the work. UBI will be more than possible soon enough. Only sad thing is richfags might just holocaust the Poors and middle classes as they won't need us anymore, but I guess we will find out what they do in upcoming decades.


Regardless of how this goes down, we will soon enough be witnessing the dawn of a new era. An era where even the best artist/musician/poet will be a machine and not a human. The best sculptor, the best doctor etc. All will be robots. The end of human labor awaits.

I refuse to die from the dios

 

[Chingaquedito]

Every decade, the robots are getting better.


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Robots within the next 2-3 decades will actually be sophisticated Enough to replace blue collar jobs. And chatgpt and other bots will replace white collar labor within 2 decades


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/10apw4f/chargpts_ability_to_create_boilerplate_c_code_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf



Human labor will soon no longer be needed. Countries will no longer need any immigrants to grow their economies. they will just need to harvest metals and build bots to do the work. UBI will be more than possible soon enough. Only sad thing is richfags might just holocaust the Poors and middle classes as they won't need us anymore, but I guess we will find out what they do in upcoming decades.


Regardless of how this goes down, we will soon enough be witnessing the dawn of a new era. An era where even the best artist/musician/poet will be a machine and not a human. The best sculptor, the best doctor etc. All will be robots. The end of human labor awaits.

this sounds great but terrible at the same time

is good because we won't need to get a job (maybe this is a first step towards the universal basic income)

but it could be bad, because, even if physical labor is no longer necessary, the need for sex cannot be supplied by crappy robots, so this doesn't decrease women's SMV, and men will remain obsolete and undervalued in the future

 

[Transcended Trucel]

this sounds great but terrible at the same time

is good because we don't need to get a job (maybe this is a first step towards the universal basic income)

but it could be bad, because, even if physical labor is no longer necessary, the need for sex cannot be supplied by crappy robots, so this doesn't decrease women's SMV, and men will remain obsolete and undervalued in the future

men will just need to settle for vr porn. And if lucky sex bots will be akin to real women and still legal..

 

[Chingaquedito]

And how is that good news?
They'll put us all in concentration camps. The ONLY reason we are allowed to live is because the rich need us.
Delusional if you think this is going to make your life better.

true

 

[Chingaquedito]

And how is that good news?
They'll put us all in concentration camps. The ONLY reason we are allowed to live is because the rich need us.
Delusional if you think this is going to make your life better.

this is true, all wars and human sacrifice in the past were for the interests of some power group, the will of one, over the collective of npcs

 

[AlexanderTheGreat11]

Too late

 

[based_meme]

HINDU DINDU SHITSKIN NIGGER COPE.

Human labor will always be in demand in the market in some form or another. The obvious one being a technician for the machines.

 

[WizardofSoda]

What is happening in the US is the labor force hasn't really grown since 2000. But the population increased from 282 million in 2000, to 331 million in 2021. In other words the percentage of people working is going down. From about 55% in 2000 to 47% in 2020.

What are the non-working people doing. They are retirees, disabled, children, house wives, people in college, unemployed people.

Looking over time what is happening is Americans are working less a percentage of their life on average. Less years worked, and working less hours per year when they are working.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Where is it all going. It will be the labor force participation continues to decline, and the number of hours worked per year for people in the labor force continues to decline.

Eg.. I think we will move to a 4 day work week as the standard.

 

[based_meme]

I think we will move to a 4 day work week as the standard.

Won't happen without some kind of trade-off. Workdays may be longer, taxes may be higher, benefits may be fewer.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

HINDU DINDU SHITSKIN NIGGER COPE.

Human labor will always be in demand in the market in some form or another. The obvious one being a technician for the machines.

I thought this as well but disagree. The bots are getting better and better. Try out chatgpt and your opinion will change. It is already smarter than many humans at a large amount of tasks.

 

[based_meme]

I thought this as well but disagree. The bots are getting better and better. Try out chatgpt and your opinion will change. It is already smarter than many humans at a large amount of tasks.

It's generative, narrow AI with billions of parameters, hooked to the largest data source available (the internet) to train its ML algorithms. Yes, it's impressive at its designed task. "Smart" isn't a word I'd use to describe it, however, because it doesn't think and it isn't sentient.

 

[pixy.DARKMEATURKEY]

In any other time this would be great, but the jew will never allow the goyium to not slave for him without consequences.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

It's generative, narrow AI with billions of parameters, hooked to the largest data source available (the internet) to train its ML algorithms. Yes, it's impressive at its designed task. "Smart" isn't a word I'd use to describe it, however, because it doesn't think and it isn't sentient.

there is no reason bots that maintain and create new bots cannot be made eventually. And while the AI isn't fully sentient, it will be inevitably soon enough.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

if the ChatGPT can already write boilerplate code this early, it will get even better at fully mastering other programming languages with time through the power of machine learning. Machine learning forces AI to learn and adapt without following instructions from other programmers through drawing predictions from patterns in data and are very dangerous in tandem with the exponential computing power of AI doubling every 3.4 months and dwarfing Moore's Law. If there were minimal learning curve for machine learning, training data inputted would l look like this:

X (Training Data)	Y (Validation data)
X1	Y1

X2	Y2
X3	Y3

with y (validation data), predicting some variable, x (training data),

Then our training data is [ X1, X2, X3, Xn ] and our validation data is [Y1, Y2, Y3, ]

This AI is especially dangerous for low-wage occupations like agricultural workers, cashiers, factory workers, d cooks and ones who are on the lower spectrum of the IQ range with higher risk of displacation, not doctors, lawyers, engineers and or any other high-wage occupation. Average-below average IQ mid-wits like me are in great jeopardy if front-end development languages such as including HTML, React, Swift, Java , React Native, and Flutter becomes automated unless I switch to backend development or add front-end skills AI hasn't covered yet under my toolbelt. However, a ML model could ingent similar webpages and generate code with webpages that can be hit or miss, but a web dev could polish and code specifically to what you want.

The competition for well-paying mid-upper tier jobs is already difficult enough from indians and whites, but throw artificial intelligence and software automation into the mix, and it will become a living nightmare.

Acemoglu, Daron, et al. “Ai and Jobs: Evidence from Online Vacancies.” NBER, 28 Dec. 2020,

AI and Jobs: Evidence from Online Vacancies

Founded in 1920, the NBER is a private, non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to conducting economic research and to disseminating research findings among academics, public policy makers, and business professionals.

www.nber.org

Frank, M. R., Autor, D., Bessen, J. E., Brynjolfsson, E., Cebrian, (2019). Toward understanding the impact of artificial intelligence on labor. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1900949116

A good example of industrial automation replacing human labor are the AI robots responsible for registering your orders at McDonald's with an 85% order accuracy rate, and only 1/5th of orders requiring human interference, while the cooks are prepared by humans themselves. They will be replaced too on the condition that they minimize costs of human labor and increase efficiency and output with this mathematical formula:
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While a good example of software automation would be an AI winning a dogfight against a senior F-16 fighter pilot with more than 2,000 hours, with 4 billion simulations training the AI to adapt under any circumstances [https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/ai-wins-flawless-victory-against-human-fighter-pilot-in-darpa-dogfight/], or IBM's computer that beat world chess champion Garry Kasparov.
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I think software automation poses a bigger threat to humanity than industrial because manufacturing processes are laborious and the upfront cost of purchasing new equipment can be extremely expensive, although likely not worrisome for corporations if it benefits them in the long run. Both are dangerous in their own ways but industrial automation cannot function without software. I also predict there will be massive civil unrest among the masses if legislation for universal basic income reform is not passed.

Solid post. the ai will first automate all the lower IQ jobs but it is powerful enough to automate the high IQ jobs soon enough within a few decades as well. There will eventually not be a single job that the ai won't have automated under the sun. UBI or civil war against the rich are the only 2 outcomes. Hopefully we get the former.

 

[pixy.DARKMEATURKEY]

Solid post. the ai will first automate all the lower IQ jobs but it is powerful enough to automate the high IQ jobs soon enough within a few decades as well. There will eventually not be a single job that the ai won't have automated under the sun. UBI or civil war against the rich are the only 2 outcomes. Hopefully we get the former.

I for one prefer the latter

 

[based_meme]

there is no reason bots that maintain and create new bots cannot be made eventually. And while the AI isn't fully sentient, it will be inevitably soon enough.

While the program is impressive, its scope remains narrow (even at large scale). All that will happen is that you will have more and more efficient bots at doing more and more specific tasks. Some of those tasks will be amalgamated, absorbed into other tasks, and streamlined, but ultimately you will never have a thinking, feeling machine that generates it's own, wider scope as a result.

Narrow AI cannot fundamentally cross the chasm into AGI (I think this is theoretically impossible), no matter how sophisticated and advanced it gets. It will likely automate and replace a slew of jobs at industry and enterprise scale, yes, but the scaling and commercialization will likely be met with political and social challenges.

 

[Khanivore]

if the ChatGPT can already write boilerplate code this early, it will get even better at fully mastering other programming languages with time through the power of machine learning. Machine learning forces AI to learn and adapt without following instructions from other programmers through drawing predictions from patterns in data and are very dangerous in tandem with the exponential computing power of AI doubling every 3.4 months and dwarfing Moore's Law. If there were minimal learning curve for machine learning, training data inputted would l look like this:

X (Training Data)	Y (Validation data)
X1	Y1

X2	Y2
X3	Y3

with y (validation data), predicting some variable, x (training data),

Then our training data is [ X1, X2, X3, Xn ] and our validation data is [Y1, Y2, Y3, ]

This AI is especially dangerous for low-wage occupations like agricultural workers, cashiers, factory workers, d cooks and ones who are on the lower spectrum of the IQ range with higher risk of displacation, not doctors, lawyers, engineers and or any other high-wage occupation. Average-below average IQ mid-wits like me are in great jeopardy if front-end development languages such as including HTML, React, Swift, Java , React Native, and Flutter becomes automated unless I switch to backend development or add front-end skills AI hasn't covered yet under my toolbelt. However, a ML model could ingent similar webpages and generate code with webpages that can be hit or miss, but a web dev could polish and code specifically to what you want.

The competition for well-paying mid-upper tier jobs is already difficult enough from indians and whites, but throw artificial intelligence and software automation into the mix, and it will become a living nightmare.

Acemoglu, Daron, et al. “Ai and Jobs: Evidence from Online Vacancies.” NBER, 28 Dec. 2020,

AI and Jobs: Evidence from Online Vacancies

Founded in 1920, the NBER is a private, non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to conducting economic research and to disseminating research findings among academics, public policy makers, and business professionals.

www.nber.org

Frank, M. R., Autor, D., Bessen, J. E., Brynjolfsson, E., Cebrian, (2019). Toward understanding the impact of artificial intelligence on labor. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1900949116

A good example of industrial automation replacing human labor are the AI robots responsible for registering your orders at McDonald's with an 85% order accuracy rate, and only 1/5th of orders requiring human interference, while the cooks are prepared by humans themselves. They will be replaced too on the condition that they minimize costs of human labor and increase efficiency and output with this mathematical formula:
View attachment 697476View attachment 697477

While a good example of software automation would be an AI winning a dogfight against a senior F-16 fighter pilot with more than 2,000 hours, with 4 billion simulations training the AI to adapt under any circumstances [https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/ai-wins-flawless-victory-against-human-fighter-pilot-in-darpa-dogfight/], or IBM's computer that beat world chess champion Garry Kasparov.
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I think software automation poses a bigger threat to humanity than industrial because manufacturing processes are laborious and the upfront cost of purchasing new equipment can be extremely expensive, although likely not worrisome for corporations if it benefits them in the long run. Both are dangerous in their own ways but industrial automation cannot function without software. I also predict there will be massive civil unrest among the masses if legislation for universal basic income reform is not passed.

Give me an ability to chat with you. I am intrigued about this

 

[LeFrenchCel]

These robots would be useful for beta uprising.
Imagine seeing a bunch of robots entering a club full of sex haver scum normies and make no survivors.

 

[based_meme]

I think software automation poses a bigger threat to humanity than industrial because manufacturing processes are laborious and the upfront cost of purchasing new equipment can be extremely expensive, although likely not worrisome for corporations if it benefits them in the long run. Both are dangerous in their own ways but industrial automation cannot function without software. I also predict there will be massive civil unrest among the masses if legislation for universal basic income reform is not passed.

There will be massive civil unrest, but what's constantly exaggerated is the "threat to humanity."

It's a threat to society, not humanity. Humanity will do what it - and every other organism - does: adapt and survive, or become obsolete i.e., die off (UBI recipients won't have enough money to feed and raise children, so they too will die off as yet another mechanism of social darwinism).

We adapted to the invention of gunpowder. We adapted to the invention of the motor vehicle. We adapted to the invention of the microchip. We will adapt to AI. We will adapt to the industrial-scale, commercial applications of AI programs.

I will adapt. I don't know about the rest of you, but I can take accurate guesses. I would be more concerned about the social effects of this technology, than the economic ones. Thinking about the economic impact is myopic, relative to the social impact. The markets will adjust much faster than societies will, which means the impact of the changes will be much greater societally.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Say across the whole economy over the next 30 years, there is 1.7% per year productivity growth. That would be a 65% increase over 30 years. Americans could then work 20% less, and make 32% more money than currently. As 1 * 0.8 * 1.65 = 1.32.

This productivity is why Americans are so much richer than people in poor countries. Because Americans are working at such a higher productivity. Eg.. an American farmer with a gigantic farm combine. Versus peasant farmers working with hand tools.

 

[based_meme]

I think automation will disproportionately affect those on the lower spectrum of intelligence, with those on the higher spectrum such as surgeons and computer programmers learning how to work alongside it i.e supervising autonomous systems at precision surgical tasks so they don't work as unintended or using AI software to generate a template code and making your own adjustments after.

Any kind of change will disproportionately and negatively affect those who are at a disadvantage to react and adapt to it. We didn't concern ourselves with how it disadvantages some portion of the population when other paradigm-shifting technologies, such as automobiles, were introduced and slowly started to become commonplace. I'm sure there were newspaper articles at the time about the number of horse-related jobs at risk of being obsolete in that industry. I don't see why we have to virtue signal now with AI and pretend we care. The world is cut-throat, sink or swim. Be ready for the winds of change, lest you be swept away by the hurricane.

It's true that in the future any job that a machine can do in place of a human a machine will eventually do in place of a human. However, this will not necessarily eliminate the human job. Governments will dictate that human input will have final say on any major decision an AI program makes in any critical field or area, such as medicine, where life and death is concerned. The surgeon, as you mentioned, will be one such job that will be immune from automation hostile takeover. The number of workers in an AI-immune job (defined as being made completely obsolete) may be reduced, but executive decision-making will always be in the hands of the human.

Business-wise, you will see more and more businesses transition to automation for jobs that previously were not thought to be automated. The reception lady, for example, will be replaced by something like an Alexa with a customizable hologram. Signatures and proof of ID/payment will be all digital, so there will be no human in need of interfacing with customers/clients and completing transactions. There will always, however, be a technician or manager present to perform diagnostics/repairs and to override any decision that is deemed erroneous, novel, or outside of the scope of the AI's programming.

We are approaching 4IR with breakthroughs in robotics, AI, IOT, quantum computing. There will be no future for those with below average IQ's in a highly mechanized urban world. You will only be able to adapt if you can exploit your innate given talents or have a set of skills that a robot or piece of software can't perform cheaper and faster.

This is not strictly true. Despite any technological advancements we may achieve at break-neck speeds, our biological evolution will be practically in stasis compared to it. We are still human with human needs, wants, desires, and flaws. One such need is the need for human contact. In service and entertainment industries (the jobs arguably requiring the least intellectual effort) there will remain a demand for the face-to-face human element. Robot waitresses, for example, will not be a thing in business and culture. There is some non-zero chance you may see them in countries like the US with a heavy tipping culture, however.

Unemployment benefits should only be given to those with an IQ or income below X number so funds are not misappropriated. I read a study somewhere that said 16% of the US labor force comprises of low skill labor jobs, so they should be prioritized for social safety net programs accordingly.

Truthfully, I don't care about the politics and policies surrounding such things. I'm not a statesman. Dealing with the social and economic fallout of this technology is not my primary concern.

Remember that none of the above is true AI in the science fiction sense that people imagine. Everything above in this post is technologically possible in our current world, though not immediately feasible or practical due to commercial and legislative constraints.

 

[Khanivore]

I don't think it's fair for you to make the comparison between automobiles and AI because one was meant to facilitate the laboriousness of human/cargo transportation while the other is a continuously evolving deep learning machine that becomes progressively knowledgeable the more data it consumes. AI, along with automation is nothing like we have ever seen before, and it threatens the job security and livelihood of millions, it is not something that can be brushed off as just another consequence of the industrial revolution because the level of job displacement we saw with the introduction of the automobile or any other preceding invention like the steam engine or the printing press pales in comparison to the level of job displacement we will see with automation/AI.

While it may create new job opportunities, I do recall reading a study that found one third of the American population was either computer illiterate or had limited to no technology skills, which would make it difficult to for them to fill in jobs where they supervise other automation systems that operate on three or more axes: industrial manufacturing machines like the cylindrical(rotary joint robots that slide and move vertically and horizontally) and articulated robots (human arm like robots)


The most automatable activities are ones that operate machinery in a predictable environment, so I could see people who weld and solder on assembly lines, prepare food and package objects or other easily replicable activity being replaced while those who work in construction, forestry or help raise outdoor animals at a lower risk.

Agree, but the goal of every business is to meet their quotas and opt for the most profitable option first and foremost, with social connection being an afterthought in most industries with the exception of the hospitality industry, the latter of which only makes a small sliver of the service industry and a very small contribution [percentage wise] contribution to the US GDP. When I go to the grocery store, I see most people rush over to the self-service aisles because they would rather bag and pay for their own food rather than have someone else do it for them. There would be one supervising staff member that would assist customers if the machine threw up an error and broke down, but the one job opening made for that supervisor was outnumbered by the four to six traditional checkouts that were replaced by those machines and would have otherwise been manned by a group of cashiers.

It's not your problem until you're the one being affected. If everyone had the same apathetic stance towards petitioning legislation officials to write laws in the interest of the public, curbing the effects of automation and AI would be close to impossible and we would be backsliding away from a representative democracy. This has already happened in countries like Mauritius where eligible voters would be absent from registration rolls because they thought the same way as you.

How old are you?

 

[Khanivore]

Twenty-two.

22? Really? Unbelievable.. are you really 22?

 

[Khanivore]

Yes.

Are you specializing in IT, AI, overall tech?

 

[Khanivore]

Yes.

Damn, i got new target then) Although - pointless it is to try to debate with native english speaker, provided that i am russian
Good job, man. This is something grandioze, not something you see every day here