I was posting this as a comment but its too long. I just want to share my thoughts on inceldom in general, even if i know that almost nobody is going to read it. But it might help some lost youngcels, blackpill someone, or clarify the blackpill as a whole just a bit. So,
According to OP @Gunnersup (good thread bro btw ngl ded srs), we would be incel regardless of what time period we lived in
People disagree in the comments, obviously.
As an "oldcel" (im 29) have thought about this a lot, so let me share my useless ideas about this and you tell me if im wrong. Basically, the problem is always the same: should we try, or dont? Should we try to change our society, so it treats incels better (like it has done with homos or disabled people) or is the battle lost before it begun, because no amount of social engineering could compensate living as a subhuman? Should we fight for a better society for us? If so, should we blackpill the masses? If fighting is pointless, should we just lie down and rot?
To answer this, i think we have to distinguish between two kind of very different sets of problems we face as incels.
As an incel in this precise time in history, and according to the most accepted blackpilled narratives, you have basically two massive problems you cant deal with, one biological and one cultural/historical. Every other problem is derived from this two.
Biologically, women are genetically designed to worship Chad. So truecels, mentally ill males and social outcasts are automatically excluded from mating if nothing is done to compensate. Just natural selection. Our natural selection. This is has been necessary for the survival of our species, so we dont degenerate in ugly and crazy social outcasts, since we have no chance of survival if living alone. We are, at the end, useless hairless monkeys. Our species promotes extroverted NT Chads/Stacies, and we all should be one of them if genetic variation like recombination, mutation, etc. didnt existed. It is debatable if its necessary anymore to instantly exclude incels from the dating market. It probably isnt. But this instinct exists and dictates most foids behaviour towards males if left unrestrained. Thats the point.
Culturally and historically, we have abolished all restriction to foid´s biological impulses. There has always been a pressure, a cultural counterweight to sexual liberalism (Chad has most of the females, most males fight for the rest, every truecel is excluded) that is automatically imposed if female biological tendencies are left alone unrestrained, because it destroys the social fabric needed to just survive. Same happened with hair, we lost our monkey hair while, at the same time, a cultural counterweight compensated it (the tradition and of making clothes and its institutions). Both the genetically imposed female worship of chad AND the complex cultural system of counteracting it have evolved at the same time, compensating each other and reaching further and further together. Anyway, extreme social inequalities are a permanent source of revolution and social chaos. Every culture for the last thousands at least of years enforces monogamy, punishes promiscuity, gives truecels socially valued roles as monks or whatever, enhances the SMV of men by killing tons of them in wars, lowers SMV of foids forbidding them to show their bodies (and even faces, based islam) and qualities, demonizes romanticism, imposes a meritocratic system linked with spiritual values, rejects the value of physical beauty and material wealth, etc. This way, almost everyone is cooperative with society and almost no policing, censorship, propaganda and violence is needed to maintain a minimum and stable order. There is no need for it, people in power and common people dont need to convince or deceive other people into believing that life in society is worth living because life in society is worth living (for the most part, for most people). Monogamy and punishment of promiscuity grants and stable, meritocratic and egalitarian equilibrium in the dating and sexual market. Everyone has only one coin, that can invest only once.
Our species could afford the biological female craving for Chad as long as, at the same time, some patriarchal cultural traditions were maintained to compensate for it and make it worth. Same with hair and clothing: we could afford being biologically naked as long as a cultural traditions provided clothes to make it worth. Same with any other humanly specific characteristic.
But thats not the case anymore, isnt it? We westerns created and spread a way of living inherently unbalanced, a capitalist model of the sexual and dating market. Foids and Chad have infinite coins and can waste them as much as they want, most people barely have a coin (some of which cant use it) and a minority has nothing. Monogamy disappears and thotery is promoted. An imbalance that is only growing bigger and bigger and that only can be dealt with an parallel escalation of violence (isolation, rejection, jail, etc.), propaganda (bluepill, leftism, new age) and censorship (ITcels, media demonization) towards those that get nothing out of the "social contract" in which they are forced to participate. As a global society, we substituted traditional values and institutions that fought dating and sexual inequality with values and institutions that isolate, silence and kill the victims of it. That is why we are here now, as a community. The same culture that created us ostracized us at the same time, as a defense mecanism. The person that created Tinder and the person that created IT require each other. Imagine if we were evenly distributed around the whole fabric of society. At least some of us would have some kind of participation in the general direction of society. We would massively oppose it, creating division, social chaos and civil war. So we must be low class, low income, uneducated, socially inept, isolated, bluepilled to the bone and borderline suicidal. If not, things would not work, and society would collapse even faster.
So OP is right, the female latent tendency to worship Chad is there and it will be there until (idk) we remove it by genetic engineering after the beta uprising or whatever. So we will not live to see it. No human foid has ever felt real attraction to a ugly social retard human, and there is nothing that can be done realistically to change that during our lifetimes. We can only, as a society, compensate it applying oppresive, patriarchal cultural mechanisms, traditional (religions) or utopic (incel marxist revolution, beta uprising...). Also, truecels had almost no chance in the past and now they have literally no chance, no not much changes for them tbh. Our species blindly decided a long time ago that their sacrifice is necessary to this day. Most of us succumb to depression and nihilism, given the circumstances. Blackpilling the masses, or changing society, is absurd for a truecel, no matter what. Thats why some of the people that defend LDARing have the right to do it. They know that, actually and sadly, social engineering has its inherent limits, and they will rot beyond them inevitably.
People that disagree are also right, because the abolition of any kind of traditional cultural female restriction has rendered women mere animals that only satisfy their instincts without limit. Left alone, the natural sexual tendencies inmediatlly and globaly impose some kind of sexual liberalism , any kind of meritocracy is abandoned as superstition, genetic value is the only kind of personal value, and the inequalities only grow bigger and more obvious with time (most females have more SMV than most males, Chad gets most foids, Stacy lives in tutorial mode, incel subclass is created from the sheer isolation of its members, etc.), sexual hierarchies and harems become usual, and most people get disenfranchised and depressed. This is a permanent source of social unrest, chaos, suicide, degeneracy, sociopathy, mental illness... as many males (and foids that cant get Chad and have to settle for their looksmatch, that has way lower and lower SMV than her) lack basic motivation to keep their lifes and societies going, and because of that, a lot of policing, censorship, propaganda and violence is required to make most people cooperate with the rest. From this perspective, trying to change our culture could make sense if you think you could benefit from it. You might think that you were the kind of people that could have got a wife and a family in the past thanks to this kind of traditional values and social institutions. Changing society could be worth. Thats why so many people that defend traditionalism and religion (or a revolution) have the right to do it, because they could have a chance if things were more fair and balanced. Social engineering, enforced morals, authoritarianism and propaganda might have their limits, but it is not really a problem for them, because they know that what they want to achieve is possible. It has happened before.
In my retarded opinion, human foids will never love us, human incels. But i would love to have a chance in a traditional and meritocratic culture tbh. I would probably be an incel in medieval times, but least i would be a monk, and i would feel like my life has a purpose. A very deep one, that compensates the lack of family, that i would think its voluntary anyway. Maybe i could ascend, and, even if i unavoidably get cucked, as most married men got in the past and get nowadays, i would not live this kind of "life". A blackpilled society, or any kind of society that compensates foids crave for Chad, could be worth... even if it doesnt even mean that i could get a wife and a family. But im too nihilistic and cynical to even try to think about how this could be done ngl.
As always, sorry for my bad English. Thank you for reading if you did btwtbhngldedsrs
According to OP @Gunnersup (good thread bro btw ngl ded srs), we would be incel regardless of what time period we lived in
People disagree in the comments, obviously.
As an "oldcel" (im 29) have thought about this a lot, so let me share my useless ideas about this and you tell me if im wrong. Basically, the problem is always the same: should we try, or dont? Should we try to change our society, so it treats incels better (like it has done with homos or disabled people) or is the battle lost before it begun, because no amount of social engineering could compensate living as a subhuman? Should we fight for a better society for us? If so, should we blackpill the masses? If fighting is pointless, should we just lie down and rot?
To answer this, i think we have to distinguish between two kind of very different sets of problems we face as incels.
As an incel in this precise time in history, and according to the most accepted blackpilled narratives, you have basically two massive problems you cant deal with, one biological and one cultural/historical. Every other problem is derived from this two.
Biologically, women are genetically designed to worship Chad. So truecels, mentally ill males and social outcasts are automatically excluded from mating if nothing is done to compensate. Just natural selection. Our natural selection. This is has been necessary for the survival of our species, so we dont degenerate in ugly and crazy social outcasts, since we have no chance of survival if living alone. We are, at the end, useless hairless monkeys. Our species promotes extroverted NT Chads/Stacies, and we all should be one of them if genetic variation like recombination, mutation, etc. didnt existed. It is debatable if its necessary anymore to instantly exclude incels from the dating market. It probably isnt. But this instinct exists and dictates most foids behaviour towards males if left unrestrained. Thats the point.
Culturally and historically, we have abolished all restriction to foid´s biological impulses. There has always been a pressure, a cultural counterweight to sexual liberalism (Chad has most of the females, most males fight for the rest, every truecel is excluded) that is automatically imposed if female biological tendencies are left alone unrestrained, because it destroys the social fabric needed to just survive. Same happened with hair, we lost our monkey hair while, at the same time, a cultural counterweight compensated it (the tradition and of making clothes and its institutions). Both the genetically imposed female worship of chad AND the complex cultural system of counteracting it have evolved at the same time, compensating each other and reaching further and further together. Anyway, extreme social inequalities are a permanent source of revolution and social chaos. Every culture for the last thousands at least of years enforces monogamy, punishes promiscuity, gives truecels socially valued roles as monks or whatever, enhances the SMV of men by killing tons of them in wars, lowers SMV of foids forbidding them to show their bodies (and even faces, based islam) and qualities, demonizes romanticism, imposes a meritocratic system linked with spiritual values, rejects the value of physical beauty and material wealth, etc. This way, almost everyone is cooperative with society and almost no policing, censorship, propaganda and violence is needed to maintain a minimum and stable order. There is no need for it, people in power and common people dont need to convince or deceive other people into believing that life in society is worth living because life in society is worth living (for the most part, for most people). Monogamy and punishment of promiscuity grants and stable, meritocratic and egalitarian equilibrium in the dating and sexual market. Everyone has only one coin, that can invest only once.
Our species could afford the biological female craving for Chad as long as, at the same time, some patriarchal cultural traditions were maintained to compensate for it and make it worth. Same with hair and clothing: we could afford being biologically naked as long as a cultural traditions provided clothes to make it worth. Same with any other humanly specific characteristic.
But thats not the case anymore, isnt it? We westerns created and spread a way of living inherently unbalanced, a capitalist model of the sexual and dating market. Foids and Chad have infinite coins and can waste them as much as they want, most people barely have a coin (some of which cant use it) and a minority has nothing. Monogamy disappears and thotery is promoted. An imbalance that is only growing bigger and bigger and that only can be dealt with an parallel escalation of violence (isolation, rejection, jail, etc.), propaganda (bluepill, leftism, new age) and censorship (ITcels, media demonization) towards those that get nothing out of the "social contract" in which they are forced to participate. As a global society, we substituted traditional values and institutions that fought dating and sexual inequality with values and institutions that isolate, silence and kill the victims of it. That is why we are here now, as a community. The same culture that created us ostracized us at the same time, as a defense mecanism. The person that created Tinder and the person that created IT require each other. Imagine if we were evenly distributed around the whole fabric of society. At least some of us would have some kind of participation in the general direction of society. We would massively oppose it, creating division, social chaos and civil war. So we must be low class, low income, uneducated, socially inept, isolated, bluepilled to the bone and borderline suicidal. If not, things would not work, and society would collapse even faster.
So OP is right, the female latent tendency to worship Chad is there and it will be there until (idk) we remove it by genetic engineering after the beta uprising or whatever. So we will not live to see it. No human foid has ever felt real attraction to a ugly social retard human, and there is nothing that can be done realistically to change that during our lifetimes. We can only, as a society, compensate it applying oppresive, patriarchal cultural mechanisms, traditional (religions) or utopic (incel marxist revolution, beta uprising...). Also, truecels had almost no chance in the past and now they have literally no chance, no not much changes for them tbh. Our species blindly decided a long time ago that their sacrifice is necessary to this day. Most of us succumb to depression and nihilism, given the circumstances. Blackpilling the masses, or changing society, is absurd for a truecel, no matter what. Thats why some of the people that defend LDARing have the right to do it. They know that, actually and sadly, social engineering has its inherent limits, and they will rot beyond them inevitably.
People that disagree are also right, because the abolition of any kind of traditional cultural female restriction has rendered women mere animals that only satisfy their instincts without limit. Left alone, the natural sexual tendencies inmediatlly and globaly impose some kind of sexual liberalism , any kind of meritocracy is abandoned as superstition, genetic value is the only kind of personal value, and the inequalities only grow bigger and more obvious with time (most females have more SMV than most males, Chad gets most foids, Stacy lives in tutorial mode, incel subclass is created from the sheer isolation of its members, etc.), sexual hierarchies and harems become usual, and most people get disenfranchised and depressed. This is a permanent source of social unrest, chaos, suicide, degeneracy, sociopathy, mental illness... as many males (and foids that cant get Chad and have to settle for their looksmatch, that has way lower and lower SMV than her) lack basic motivation to keep their lifes and societies going, and because of that, a lot of policing, censorship, propaganda and violence is required to make most people cooperate with the rest. From this perspective, trying to change our culture could make sense if you think you could benefit from it. You might think that you were the kind of people that could have got a wife and a family in the past thanks to this kind of traditional values and social institutions. Changing society could be worth. Thats why so many people that defend traditionalism and religion (or a revolution) have the right to do it, because they could have a chance if things were more fair and balanced. Social engineering, enforced morals, authoritarianism and propaganda might have their limits, but it is not really a problem for them, because they know that what they want to achieve is possible. It has happened before.
In my retarded opinion, human foids will never love us, human incels. But i would love to have a chance in a traditional and meritocratic culture tbh. I would probably be an incel in medieval times, but least i would be a monk, and i would feel like my life has a purpose. A very deep one, that compensates the lack of family, that i would think its voluntary anyway. Maybe i could ascend, and, even if i unavoidably get cucked, as most married men got in the past and get nowadays, i would not live this kind of "life". A blackpilled society, or any kind of society that compensates foids crave for Chad, could be worth... even if it doesnt even mean that i could get a wife and a family. But im too nihilistic and cynical to even try to think about how this could be done ngl.
As always, sorry for my bad English. Thank you for reading if you did btwtbhngldedsrs
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