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Plato, Nietzsche and Schopenhauer were childless. And so were Kant, Hume, Hobbes, Locke, Kierkegaard and Spinoza -- or, if you wish to include, Descartes and Rousseau. Sartre, Foucault, Adorno, Popper and Wittgenstein remained childless. Augustine fathered an illegitimate child, but then became a celibate priest. Aquinas and the philosophers of the middle age were all churchmen. Hobbes, Locke, Hume, Adam Smith, Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz, Kant and Bentham all went unmarried. Berkeley married late but hate no children. Rousseau abandoned all of his five children. Plato, as far as we know, never married. John Stuart Mill had no children of his own. Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Sartre and Wittgenstein were all unmarried and childless. Simone Weil, Hannan Arendt and Simone de Beauvoir were all childless. It could be pure coincidence, but other hypotheses press for consideration. One is that the sheer oddity of philosophers makes them unsuitable life partners. Another is that domestic bliss dulls the philosophical edge. A third is that the problem lies in the nature of the deepest, most fundamental, philosophical work. If genius is the infinity capacity for taking pains, it wouldn't seem to leave much time for anything else. Instead of being bad parents, many of the titans of Europrean existentialism -- Friedrich Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Sartre -- remained childless. Voltaire never married or fathered children. While Voltaire technically died a bachelor, his personal life was a revolving door of mistresses, paramours and long-term lovers. As an adult, Isaac Newton immersed himself in his work, had no hobbies and never married. Although it is impossible to verify, it is commonly believed that he died a virgin. French writer and philosopher Voltaire, who was in London at the time of Newton's funeral, claimed to have verified the fact, writing that "I have had that confirmed by the doctor and the surgeon who were with him when he died" (allegedly Newton stated on his deathbed that he was a virgin). In 1733, Voltaire publicly stated that Newton "had neither passion nor weakness; he never went near any woman". Francis Bacon opens his "Of Marriage and Single Life" essay this way: He that hath wife and children, hath given hostages to fortune; for they are impediments to great enterprises, either of virtue or mischief. Certainly, the best works, and of the greatest merit for the public, have proceeded from the unmarried or childless men. Nietzsche agreed with Bacon's conclusion. In fact, Nietzsche remarked the true philosophers never marry and that Socrates did so only ironically. Schopenhauer said that we are driven frantically to push ourselves forward, get good jobs to impress prospective partners, wonder endlessly about finding The One (imagining they’ll make us happy), and are eventually briefly seduced by someone long enough to produce a child, and then have to spend the next 40 years in misery to atone for our error. To marry means to do everything possible to become an object of disgust to each other. Every life history is the history of suffering. After spending a lot of time trying, yet failing to be famous, and trying, yet failing to have relationships, Schopenhauer eventually found an audience who adored his writings.
 
Plato, Nietzsche and Schopenhauer were childless. And so were Kant, Hume, Hobbes, Locke, Kierkegaard and Spinoza -- or, if you wish to include, Descartes and Rousseau. Sartre, Foucault, Adorno, Popper and Wittgenstein remained childless. Augustine fathered an illegitimate child, but then became a celibate priest. Aquinas and the philosophers of the middle age were all churchmen. Hobbes, Locke, Hume, Adam Smith, Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz, Kant and Bentham all went unmarried. Berkeley married late but hate no children. Rousseau abandoned all of his five children. Plato, as far as we know, never married. John Stuart Mill had no children of his own. Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Sartre and Wittgenstein were all unmarried and childless. Simone Weil, Hannan Arendt and Simone de Beauvoir were all childless. It could be pure coincidence, but other hypotheses press for consideration. One is that the sheer oddity of philosophers makes them unsuitable life partners. Another is that domestic bliss dulls the philosophical edge. A third is that the problem lies in the nature of the deepest, most fundamental, philosophical work. If genius is the infinity capacity for taking pains, it wouldn't seem to leave much time for anything else. Instead of being bad parents, many of the titans of Europrean existentialism -- Friedrich Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Sartre -- remained childless. Voltaire never married or fathered children. While Voltaire technically died a bachelor, his personal life was a revolving door of mistresses, paramours and long-term lovers. As an adult, Isaac Newton immersed himself in his work, had no hobbies and never married. Although it is impossible to verify, it is commonly believed that he died a virgin. French writer and philosopher Voltaire, who was in London at the time of Newton's funeral, claimed to have verified the fact, writing that "I have had that confirmed by the doctor and the surgeon who were with him when he died" (allegedly Newton stated on his deathbed that he was a virgin). In 1733, Voltaire publicly stated that Newton "had neither passion nor weakness; he never went near any woman". Francis Bacon opens his "Of Marriage and Single Life" essay this way: He that hath wife and children, hath given hostages to fortune; for they are impediments to great enterprises, either of virtue or mischief. Certainly, the best works, and of the greatest merit for the public, have proceeded from the unmarried or childless men. Nietzsche agreed with Bacon's conclusion. In fact, Nietzsche remarked the true philosophers never marry and that Socrates did so only ironically. Schopenhauer said that we are driven frantically to push ourselves forward, get good jobs to impress prospective partners, wonder endlessly about finding The One (imagining they’ll make us happy), and are eventually briefly seduced by someone long enough to produce a child, and then have to spend the next 40 years in misery to atone for our error. To marry means to do everything possible to become an object of disgust to each other. Every life history is the history of suffering. After spending a lot of time trying, yet failing to be famous, and trying, yet failing to have relationships, Schopenhauer eventually found an audience who adored his writings.
Schopenhauer is my favorite
 
Put a damn paragraph on this shit
 
In summary:

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From Eastern Christianity (Philokalia):

"In the Book of Jeremiah, it is written: “You shall not take a wife in this place, for thus says the Lord concerning the sons and daughters born in this place: They shall perish of deadly disease.” These words indicate, as the Apostle says, that a married man is concerned about the things of the world and how to please his wife, and he is divided. A married woman is also concerned with the world and how to please her husband. And it is clear that what the Prophet says—"They shall perish of a deadly disease"—refers not only to the sons and daughters born of marital life but also to the sons and daughters engendered in the heart, that is, to carnal thoughts and desires; they too shall perish, as it were, in the diseased, ailing, and languid understanding of this world. Thus, you should be: abstain from a wife, not procreating sons or daughters in this place, above all as an immaterial soldier free from concerns, unburdened by all business affairs. Such should be the walk of one who has abandoned all worldly matter. How magnificent and splendid is the asceticism of hesychasm, yes, truly magnificent and splendid! For its yoke is sweet, and its burden is light. Leave behind worldly concerns, the princes and powers preoccupied with it, in other words, free yourself from material things and passions, without any lust, so that, being freed from this burden, you may practice well. For if we do not withdraw from everything, we will not be able to complete this life successfully. Do not wish to live with men bound to material things and entangled on all sides. Live alone, or with brothers who are unburdened by material concerns and who think like you. For whoever lives with men bound to material things and taken up by business, will inevitably share in the entanglements and slavery of human servitudes, such as vain conversations and all other calamities: anger, sorrow, the madness of material things, fear, and scandal. Do not let yourself be ensnared by the concerns of families or by attachments to neighbors, but rather avoid their company so that they do not make you lose the hesychia of your cell and entangle you in their own affairs. As the Lord says: “Let the dead bury their dead; you, come and follow me.” Moreover, I tell you, prefer exile. For it frees you from the inconveniences of your own homeland and takes advantage only of what is useful for hesychia. Avoid staying in cities and persevere in the wilderness, for you will see nothing in them that is suitable or useful for your way of life. “I have seen,” says the holy king, “iniquity and disputes in the city.” Therefore, seek remote and quiet places. Do not frequent restless people or join their celebrations, lest they drag you into their delusions and divert you from discipline, for passion is found in them. Do not harbor fatal thoughts through irrational love for food, women, money, fleeting glory, or any other sensible thing."
 
Kierkegaard broke up his engagement with Regine Olsen and became a religious celibate

He famously wrote the seducer's diary, a cynical perspective on his conduct towards ms. olsen

Ultimately there is a long history of voluntary celibacy for religious reasons, and I'm not entirely sure what the message of this thread is. yeah volcels exist and ?
 
Kierkegaard broke up his engagement with Regine Olsen and became a religious celibate

He famously wrote the seducer's diary, a cynical perspective on his conduct towards ms. olsen

Ultimately there is a long history of voluntary celibacy for religious reasons, and I'm not entirely sure what the message of this thread is. yeah volcels exist and ?
it's making the point that celibacy or rather childlessness is mostly good for men
 
it's making the point that celibacy or rather childlessness is mostly good for men
I mean if people are volcel then that's fine

many of them did it to focus on higher pursuits or religious things or w/e, and if it helped them then that's great

I'm sure that if people can be volcel, then there might be benefits to that, it is an ancient practice which has been of value to many practitioners. but most coomers for instance couldn't be anywhere near volcel. it's not necessarily for everyone ig? lol
 
Plato, Nietzsche and Schopenhauer were childless. And so were Kant, Hume, Hobbes, Locke, Kierkegaard and Spinoza -- or, if you wish to include, Descartes and Rousseau. Sartre, Foucault, Adorno, Popper and Wittgenstein remained childless. Augustine fathered an illegitimate child, but then became a celibate priest. Aquinas and the philosophers of the middle age were all churchmen. Hobbes, Locke, Hume, Adam Smith, Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz, Kant and Bentham all went unmarried. Berkeley married late but hate no children. Rousseau abandoned all of his five children. Plato, as far as we know, never married. John Stuart Mill had no children of his own. Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Sartre and Wittgenstein were all unmarried and childless. Simone Weil, Hannan Arendt and Simone de Beauvoir were all childless. It could be pure coincidence, but other hypotheses press for consideration. One is that the sheer oddity of philosophers makes them unsuitable life partners. Another is that domestic bliss dulls the philosophical edge. A third is that the problem lies in the nature of the deepest, most fundamental, philosophical work. If genius is the infinity capacity for taking pains, it wouldn't seem to leave much time for anything else. Instead of being bad parents, many of the titans of Europrean existentialism -- Friedrich Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Sartre -- remained childless. Voltaire never married or fathered children. While Voltaire technically died a bachelor, his personal life was a revolving door of mistresses, paramours and long-term lovers. As an adult, Isaac Newton immersed himself in his work, had no hobbies and never married. Although it is impossible to verify, it is commonly believed that he died a virgin. French writer and philosopher Voltaire, who was in London at the time of Newton's funeral, claimed to have verified the fact, writing that "I have had that confirmed by the doctor and the surgeon who were with him when he died" (allegedly Newton stated on his deathbed that he was a virgin). In 1733, Voltaire publicly stated that Newton "had neither passion nor weakness; he never went near any woman". Francis Bacon opens his "Of Marriage and Single Life" essay this way: He that hath wife and children, hath given hostages to fortune; for they are impediments to great enterprises, either of virtue or mischief. Certainly, the best works, and of the greatest merit for the public, have proceeded from the unmarried or childless men. Nietzsche agreed with Bacon's conclusion. In fact, Nietzsche remarked the true philosophers never marry and that Socrates did so only ironically. Schopenhauer said that we are driven frantically to push ourselves forward, get good jobs to impress prospective partners, wonder endlessly about finding The One (imagining they’ll make us happy), and are eventually briefly seduced by someone long enough to produce a child, and then have to spend the next 40 years in misery to atone for our error. To marry means to do everything possible to become an object of disgust to each other. Every life history is the history of suffering. After spending a lot of time trying, yet failing to be famous, and trying, yet failing to have relationships, Schopenhauer eventually found an audience who adored his writings.

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