Blackpill "Under this optic, indeed, misandric communities express more negative sentiments than misogynistic ones."

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

Interesting.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1k7u4ag/women_who_hate_men_a_comparative_analysis_across/

Women who hate men: a comparative analysis across extremist Reddit communities - Scientific Reports

In the present online social landscape, while misogyny is a well-established issue, misandry remains significantly underexplored. In an effort to rectify this discrepancy and better understand the phenomenon of gendered hate speech, we analyze four openly declared misogynistic and misandric...

www.nature.com

So basically, we finally got an, as much as could be hoped for, unbiased study comparing the text in feminist and "misogynistic" communities, and because it was done by an AI and not by humans who have the "women-are-wonderful" effect hardbaked into their brains, you just know the results will be very nice, and they don't disappoint. Specifically, what was done in this study, is that they looked at archives of posts from two misogynistic (r/incels and r/mensrights) and two misandric (r/feminism and r/gendercrititcal) subreddits, one extant and one banned in each pair.

First, we get some unsurprising charts showing just how much more "online misogyny" is researched and focused on compared to "online misandry".

Then, there are some interesting results. First, they looked at "content toxicity".

For the task, we adopted a version of RoBERTa, a transformer-based text classifier, which has been fine-tuned for hate speech detection49. As reported by the authors, the training dataset comprised 41,255 entries, of which 18,993 have been manually annotated as “not hate” and 22,262 as “hate”. The posts tagged as “hate” have been in turn divided into sub-categories, such as “Animosity”, “Dehumanization”, “Derogation”, “Support”, “Threatening”, and “Other”.

Basically, they used a tool trained to detect "toxic speech" and "hate speech" to see how common it is in posts in the studied subreddits.

So far, the study isn't something soys and feminists would be surprised by, or something those of us wanting to prove them wrong would celebrate. After doing this, the researchers got the following graph, which, although it shows that posts in all four communities follows the same distribution, with most posts being either non-toxic at all (0) or extremely toxic (1), the misogynistic communities lead with extremely toxic content.

But then, things get more interesting. After that, they looked at the prevalent emotions in the texts. For this, they went two ways about it, looking both at text-level and user-level. The former is just about looking at raw text and extracting emotions from it. However, that means that one person writing walls of texts can drown out multiple others who write simple posts and thus skew the distribution, that's why they also did the latter analysis, which corrects for that by considering all the posts written by a single author as a single unit and gives equal weight to all those text units.

Once that was corrected for and the various users' posts were normalized like that, the distribution completely changed.

In the former, the various emotions were relatively evenly distributed. Clearly, the walls of texts posters very much experience a large spectrum of emotions. But on the user-level, hate absolutely dominated. Pound-for-pound, the users on those subreddits overwhelmingly tended to post hateful content. However, one side clearly predominates, and as you can see, it's the misandric subreddits where users specifically tended to post hateful content, while misogynistic ones posted it notably less. In fact, you can clearly see that r/incels posters were also much less likely than the users of the other three subreddits to post content expressing anger, and much more likely to post one showing sadness, with the researchers acknowledging all of that.

Despite no significant differences can be observed regarding GenderCritical and Incels (which remain mainly skewed toward fear and sadness, respectively), the user-level perspective shifts the distributions peaks of Feminism and Mensrights: while at a text-level, the two communities do not show a visible gap, here we can see that Feminism consistently overcomes the others in terms of hate, followed by GenderCritical and Mensrights.

Conversely, when a user-level perspective is taken into account, distributions drastically change, magnifying the hate peak of Feminism, which significantly overcomes the other communities. Also GenderCritical, despite maintaining an inclination toward fear, skews on anger and hate as well. Under this optic, indeed, misandric communities express more negative sentiments than misogynistic ones.

So much for "hateful incels" who are all "angry white men" according to feminists, redditors, and other people obsessed with us.

Spoiler

@based_meme @DarkStar @Regenerator @Mecoja @Stupid Clown @Sewer Sloth @Sergeant Kelly @To koniec @reveries @NIGGER BOJANGLES @veryrare @LeFrenchCel @PersonalityChad @GeckoBus @Lazyandtalentless @OutcompetedByRoomba @weaselbomber @ItsovERfucks @Grodd @Epedaphic @KING VON @Wumbus

 

[weaselbomber]

One would imagine that because of the Internet making data like this widely available the incel moral panic wouldn't be as bad as it is now, especially if you live in the UK tbh

 

[HONKLERedux]

 

[PersonalityChad]

Feminists will justify this by saying that misandry doesn't exist since it's just a reaction to misogynistic patriarchal society

 

[Riinku]

Based. Read the post.

 

[slavcel11]

based:

 

[Oneitiscel]

Feminists will justify this by saying that misandry doesn't exist since it's just a reaction to misogynistic patriarchal society

That is literally the exact argument they use whenever their sexism is challenged. They literally argue along the lines of:

It is totally hypocritical.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

I can't wait for AI to replace sociologists, scientists, and preferably judges. AI cannot be ideologized.

 

[Krobus]

Not a letter

 

[Stupid Clown]

High IQ. Needs to be pinned.
Not surprising. Women are naturally more hateful and sadistic. It takes a lot to make a man hateful

 

[GeckoBus]

Interesting.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1k7u4ag/women_who_hate_men_a_comparative_analysis_across/

Women who hate men: a comparative analysis across extremist Reddit communities - Scientific Reports

In the present online social landscape, while misogyny is a well-established issue, misandry remains significantly underexplored. In an effort to rectify this discrepancy and better understand the phenomenon of gendered hate speech, we analyze four openly declared misogynistic and misandric...

www.nature.com

So basically, we finally got an, as much as could be hoped for, unbiased study comparing the text in feminist and "misogynistic" communities, and because it was done by an AI and not by humans who have the "women-are-wonderful" effect hardbaked into their brains, you just know the results will be very nice, and they don't disappoint. Specifically, what was done in this study, is that they looked at archives of posts from two misogynistic (r/incels and r/mensrights) and two misandric (r/feminism and r/gendercrititcal) subreddits, one extant and one banned in each pair.

First, we get some unsurprising charts showing just how much more "online misogyny" is researched and focused on compared to "online misandry".

Then, there are some interesting results. First, they looked at "content toxicity".



Basically, they used a tool trained to detect "toxic speech" and "hate speech" to see how common it is in posts in the studied subreddits.

So far, the study isn't something soys and feminists would be surprised by, or something those of us wanting to prove them wrong would celebrate. After doing this, the researchers got the following graph, which, although it shows that posts in all four communities follows the same distribution, with most posts being either non-toxic at all (0) or extremely toxic (1), the misogynistic communities lead with extremely toxic content.

But then, things get more interesting. After that, they looked at the prevalent emotions in the texts. For this, they went two ways about it, looking both at text-level and user-level. The former is just about looking at raw text and extracting emotions from it. However, that means that one person writing walls of texts can drown out multiple others who write simple posts and thus skew the distribution, that's why they also did the latter analysis, which corrects for that by considering all the posts written by a single author as a single unit and gives equal weight to all those text units.

Once that was corrected for and the various users' posts were normalized like that, the distribution completely changed.

In the former, the various emotions were relatively evenly distributed. Clearly, the walls of texts posters very much experience a large spectrum of emotions. But on the user-level, hate absolutely dominated. Pound-for-pound, the users on those subreddits overwhelmingly tended to post hateful content. However, one side clearly predominates, and as you can see, it's the misandric subreddits where users specifically tended to post hateful content, while misogynistic ones posted it notably less. In fact, you can clearly see that r/incels posters were also much less likely than the users of the other three subreddits to post content expressing anger, and much more likely to post one showing sadness, with the researchers acknowledging all of that.




So much for "hateful incels" who are all "angry white men" according to feminists, redditors, and other people obsessed with us.

Spoiler

@based_meme @DarkStar @Regenerator @Mecoja @Stupid Clown @Sewer Sloth @Sergeant Kelly @To koniec @reveries @NIGGER BOJANGLES @veryrare @LeFrenchCel @PersonalityChad @GeckoBus @Lazyandtalentless @OutcompetedByRoomba @weaselbomber @ItsovERfucks @Grodd @Epedaphic @KING VON @Wumbus

man, I have so many of your threads bookmarked and reference them all the time. This one alone is so good and high effort. Gigamog for reading the entire study in detail every time you make a thread. As to the results, it's not surprising and reflects what we already know. Men worship women, even on our little forum here. There are so many femdom posters lmfao. There is an asymmetric bias in favor of women and against men that has been observed in so many studies now.

Both genders have innate dislike of men and positive bias towards women. The Data you posted is just another data-point to that pile of existing evidence, or "convergence" as @DarkStar would call it. Men only engage in either crass self-hate or hate of other men, while women openly engage in self-worship and hate of men. I have never seen anybody attack female hobbies for instance, calling them something like immature or degenerate. Instead both genders make it a sport to shit on literally anything that men do, if it does not involve open foid worship or self-sacrifice for our elated jew overlords. Usually both. The self hate of men is the "sadness" that you mentioned, and the hate detected among female posts is a reflection of their narcissism and victim mindset.

Great thread, honestly just fucking put it in must-read already

 

[Stupid Clown]

And nothing will improve unfortunately. If women started murdering men out of misandrist hate (which they've already done) the government will cover it up. All misandry is covered up.

 

[fedded]

One would imagine that because of the Internet making data like this widely available the incel moral panic wouldn't be as bad as it is now

 

[fedded]

If women started murdering men out of misandrist hate (which they've already done) the government will cover it up.

 

[Balding Subhuman]

This is true, misogyny is mostly a fabrication created inside of womens minds because they want to feel so oppressed. Most communities anywhere are mostly pro-women and people express a lot more pro-women sentiments and opinions than anything else. Women have higher in-group bias... and men practically have no in-group bias at all, and tend to favor women over men almost always.

Its kind of funny how men are so hated that women are even able to say that misandry doesn't exist. Its like they don't even see men as human beings, but they cry misogyny if someone says even a word against women

 

[Stupid Clown]

This is true, misogyny is mostly a fabrication created inside of womens minds because they want to feel so oppressed. Most communities anywhere are mostly pro-women and people express a lot more pro-women sentiments and opinions than anything else. Women have higher in-group bias... and men practically have no in-group bias at all, and tend to favor women over men almost always.

Its kind of funny how men are so hated that women are even able to say that misandry doesn't exist. Its like they don't even see men as human beings, but they cry misogyny if someone says even a word against women

 

[skyrim]

another high IQ post from op. now ofc this one be featured on IT or any other feminist subs

 

[ForcedMarriageNow]

The data is probably a bit skewed by the fact that reddit bans any man who notices and criticizes women's behavior.

 

[Grodd]

High IQ. Needs to be pinned.
Not surprising. Women are naturally more hateful and sadistic. It takes a lot to make a man hateful

 

[Grodd]

Good post, misandry is promoted and encouraged in this soyciety it's completely fucking twisted seems to be only getting worse too.

 

[Lazyandtalentless]

Good post, misandry is promoted and encouraged in this soyciety it's completely fucking twisted seems to be only getting worse too.

 

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

One would imagine that because of the Internet making data like this widely available the incel moral panic wouldn't be as bad as it is now, especially if you live in the UK tbh

This is probably a bit of cope coming from me, but a lot of data like this is pretty new + academia is dominated by people who grew up in a world where this would never be looked at, so it might get better over time if this data keeps circulating.

Feminists will justify this by saying that misandry doesn't exist since it's just a reaction to misogynistic patriarchal society

Men only engage in either crass self-hate or hate of other men, while women openly engage in self-worship and hate of men. I have never seen anybody attack female hobbies for instance, calling them something like immature or degenerate. Instead both genders make it a sport to shit on literally anything that men do, if it does not involve open foid worship or self-sacrifice for our elated jew overlords. Usually both. The self hate of men is the "sadness" that you mentioned, and the hate detected among female posts is a reflection of their narcissism and victim mindset.

Exactly.

 

[Buried Alive 2.0]

I have a couple of problems with this study: AI is j00ified, so it will be biased against men, and those 2 are not the best examples of misandrist communities. I wonder how different this study would be if they did it with 2X and FDS.

But even so, it's nice to see that data shows how hateful feminists are.

 

[TooSomething]

I am not surprised by tye results because women are emotional pieces of shit.

I am however surprised by the fact that someone has decided to do thi study, albeit udiing AI, and publish it.

 

[Kamanbert]

When you put it into perspective those stats are even more significative : those foids have an entire system rooting for them and they have easy lives whereas men have zero institutionnal or cultural representation and they often suffer personal alienation.

Women hate men, men dont hate women.

Misandry is a thing, misogyny is not.

Period.

Misogyny is just a guy feeling justified ressentment, misandry does not justify itself.

But if society truly acknowledged such things, as did the wisdoms of olden days, women's rights would inevitably take a hit. So they bury it under lies, images and background noise, like they did with this stupid Adolescence Soyflix series.

Great thread btw.

 

[SmhChan]

those foids have an entire system rooting for them and they have easy lives

Yet you see retards here and in manosphere keep claiming muh foids are so 'agreeable.' That horseshit triggers me to no end. Foids are so disagreeable that they made the system root for them entirely.

But if society truly acknowledged such things, as did the wisdoms of olden days,

I wonder if they admitted foids hated men. From what I have seen of 'olden wisdoms', they just say foids should see men as their authority and blah blah blah.

 

[GeckoBus]

I wonder if they admitted foids hated men. From what I have seen of 'olden wisdoms', they just say foids should see men as their authority and blah blah blah.

society heavily relies on male exploitation. Without men, basic infrastructure becomes impossible. Men are the only group that pays taxes and has a net positive impact on a countries economy. Additionally, countries rely on their military. The primary motivation for men to join the military is pussy. Almost every veteran is like "i thought girls would like the uniform." Notice how military propaganda posters always show a chad - its the male fantasy of being the hero. Most so called anti-war movies are actually pro war movies, because men are raised to idealize their own suffering and glorify self-sacrifice. Whenever war movies depict men being slaughtered and killing other men in gruesome ways, that's actually pro-war propaganda. Just go to any ww2 movie clips and read the comments, they are all like muh sacrifice, muh strong men.

An actual anti-war movie would show reality for what it is - a bunch of dumb 18 year olds thinking they are heroes, joining military thinking its a noble cause, while their superiors make fun of them and laugh at them. Show them getting blown to bits while at the same time, some politician in the white house is having an orgy with 12 sluts and cocaine dust clouding the fucking air. Show them rotting in some 3rd world country, doing nothing all day but coping and hating themselves.

If society admitted any of this shit, if they admitted men are second class citizens and that civilizations rest on male delusion and exploitation, everything would collapse. Look how many among us just drop out and become NEET, or do the bare minimum to survive. Our beliefs are an existential threat to society.


View: https://youtu.be/e17rqgK3e5U?t=5115


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPe-yfAShHQ

 

[Kamanbert]

Yet you see retards here and in manosphere keep claiming muh foids are so 'agreeable.' That horseshit triggers me to no end. Foids are so disagreeable that they made the system root for them entirely.

I never found them to be more agreeable than men neither.

I wonder if they admitted foids hated men. From what I have seen of 'olden wisdoms', they just say foids should see men as their authority and blah blah blah.

Because "women hates men" is too hyperbolic, i myself was saying it as a state of fact for the present day gender dynamic but i dont think it's that simple tbh.

It's more about women being the chaotic beings they are, something that was expressed within the stories in all societes (Kali, Pandora, Eve, Lilith, Medea) and present as a psychosocial artefact in probably a very large portion of men before the 60's.

Those men wouldn't have said or thought "women hate us" but rather "imagine giving power to such a fickle, frivolous, manipulative being, the world would probably end" which, ultimately, comes down to the same thing as saying that they can hate us and act upon it, especially as we're the primary target, being the irreductible alterity.

And i think it's a wiser approach cause yeah i do believe many women could even try to help me if i was in a bad situation or something, just out of humanity.

My family knows a couple where the guy got some disease and is in a vegetative state but his wife never left him. I also recall reading a short little story as a foreword for a Victor Hugo's book if i remember correctly, it was apparently based on factual events, guy and his wife were on a sinking ship and only one could be saved, when he told her to go she smiled and said nah i'll die with you.

i really think the problem is systemic, in tradition men can compose with women, they might be a pain in the ass but it's kept under control. Even more so if the education, cultural representations, socializing, etc, are based upon those essential differences between men and women.

 

[AsiaCel]

Women have no personality. They make hating men their whole identity.

WE have; we hate foids, but it's not all of our hobbies or identity.

 

[Mecoja]

Feminists will justify this by saying that misandry doesn't exist since it's just a reaction to misogynistic patriarchal society

This

 

[SmhChan]

Because "women hates men" is too hyperbolic, i myself was saying it as a state of fact for the present day gender dynamic but i dont think it's that simple tbh.

It's more about women being the chaotic beings they are, something that was expressed within the stories in all societes (Kali, Pandora, Eve, Lilith, Medea) and present as a psychosocial artefact in probably a very large portion of men before the 60's.

I believe all of those characters you mentioned have always been romanticized by simptard men. I remember a lecture by our male English tutor on Medea. The MF made me want to pummel the fuck out of him. So, I don't believe those characters were seen as some sort of warnings, rather, 'hey! you inferior men, better stay as the good slave you were raised to be, or your superiors, foids, are gonna fuck you up.' I say this because Medea, Lilith, and Kali have largely always been worshipped. Their actions have been 'justified.'

They do hate us, not the way we do. They hate that they have to cohabit with us. Obviously, I'm not gonna say if non-chad men disappeared foids wouldn't moan about it. They particularly wouldn't mourn but would moan about the fact that they can't use us as their charity cases (will expand on it in the later paras). They would moan about lack of male validations. They would moan about not having the class of people you could always punched down on etc. You get the point. We are mere circus monkeys + slaves for foids.

Those men wouldn't have said or thought "women hate us" but rather "imagine giving power to such a fickle, frivolous, manipulative being, the world would probably end" which, ultimately, comes down to the same thing as saying that they can hate us and act upon it, especially as we're the primary target, being the irreductible alterity.

The thought about them hating men would naturally have never crossed their minds. It's the same old Right Whinger rhetoric about trad-whores but repackaged with mythical characters and stories. But the reality is much more sinister. They don't have any grander goals or ideology clashes with men. They want power so they can enact their oppression on men (mostly non-chad), not because men do things 'differently.' They don't want power that requires responsibilities. They never wanted to rule the world. They wanted to rule over men. That's very different. It's been only made apparent as they have gained unforeseeable agencies in the recent decades.

And i think it's a wiser approach cause yeah i do believe many women could even try to help me if i was in a bad situation or something, just out of humanity.

My family knows a couple where the guy got some disease and is in a vegetative state but his wife never left him. I also recall reading a short little story as a foreword for a Victor Hugo's book if i remember correctly, it was apparently based on factual events, guy and his wife were on a sinking ship and only one could be saved, when he told her to go she smiled and said nah i'll die with you.

It's a huge net negative in the grander context. Have you seen attitude of the white whores towards the immigration issue? Ethnic whores see immigration as a huge red flag. It's the white whores who have never seen a bad day in their lives are usually seen as the most gracious because of their "social" and "charity" works, all while they institutionally oppress men. I don't care if some white whore offers a loaf of bread to a homeless man. She is the same person who would have no qualms about scamming multiple men out of their money for free dinners.

i really think the problem is systemic, in tradition men can compose with women, they might be a pain in the ass but it's kept under control. Even more so if the education, cultural representations, socializing, etc, are based upon those essential differences between men and women.

Nothing to say. We are just gonna circle back to the tradwhore route with this.

 

[veryrare]

Interesting.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1k7u4ag/women_who_hate_men_a_comparative_analysis_across/

Women who hate men: a comparative analysis across extremist Reddit communities - Scientific Reports

In the present online social landscape, while misogyny is a well-established issue, misandry remains significantly underexplored. In an effort to rectify this discrepancy and better understand the phenomenon of gendered hate speech, we analyze four openly declared misogynistic and misandric...

www.nature.com

So basically, we finally got an, as much as could be hoped for, unbiased study comparing the text in feminist and "misogynistic" communities, and because it was done by an AI and not by humans who have the "women-are-wonderful" effect hardbaked into their brains, you just know the results will be very nice, and they don't disappoint. Specifically, what was done in this study, is that they looked at archives of posts from two misogynistic (r/incels and r/mensrights) and two misandric (r/feminism and r/gendercrititcal) subreddits, one extant and one banned in each pair.

First, we get some unsurprising charts showing just how much more "online misogyny" is researched and focused on compared to "online misandry".

Then, there are some interesting results. First, they looked at "content toxicity".



Basically, they used a tool trained to detect "toxic speech" and "hate speech" to see how common it is in posts in the studied subreddits.

So far, the study isn't something soys and feminists would be surprised by, or something those of us wanting to prove them wrong would celebrate. After doing this, the researchers got the following graph, which, although it shows that posts in all four communities follows the same distribution, with most posts being either non-toxic at all (0) or extremely toxic (1), the misogynistic communities lead with extremely toxic content.

But then, things get more interesting. After that, they looked at the prevalent emotions in the texts. For this, they went two ways about it, looking both at text-level and user-level. The former is just about looking at raw text and extracting emotions from it. However, that means that one person writing walls of texts can drown out multiple others who write simple posts and thus skew the distribution, that's why they also did the latter analysis, which corrects for that by considering all the posts written by a single author as a single unit and gives equal weight to all those text units.

Once that was corrected for and the various users' posts were normalized like that, the distribution completely changed.

In the former, the various emotions were relatively evenly distributed. Clearly, the walls of texts posters very much experience a large spectrum of emotions. But on the user-level, hate absolutely dominated. Pound-for-pound, the users on those subreddits overwhelmingly tended to post hateful content. However, one side clearly predominates, and as you can see, it's the misandric subreddits where users specifically tended to post hateful content, while misogynistic ones posted it notably less. In fact, you can clearly see that r/incels posters were also much less likely than the users of the other three subreddits to post content expressing anger, and much more likely to post one showing sadness, with the researchers acknowledging all of that.




So much for "hateful incels" who are all "angry white men" according to feminists, redditors, and other people obsessed with us.

Spoiler

@based_meme @DarkStar @Regenerator @Mecoja @Stupid Clown @Sewer Sloth @Sergeant Kelly @To koniec @reveries @NIGGER BOJANGLES @veryrare @LeFrenchCel @PersonalityChad @GeckoBus @Lazyandtalentless @OutcompetedByRoomba @weaselbomber @ItsovERfucks @Grodd @Epedaphic @KING VON @Wumbus

Really good thread & very interesting, You laid out everything basically so I got nothing to add, Reveals that even tho gendered hate speech is not influenced by the perpetrators' gender, People outside of Men's right groups and Incels ALWAYS focus on foid problems and "hate speech" directed at foids

The author of the study is also a foid btw
Also ironic that a subreddit named "GenderCritical" is a "misandrist" subreddit That's literally people in observation, They claim "neutrality" but then completely spin everything around "foid good man bad".

This quote is also interesting:

To grasp an intuition in this regard in the academic context, we performed the query “online misogyny”(resp. “online misandry”) on Google Scholar, Scopus, and WebOfScience, and further compared the results. Tothe query “online misogyny”, the former produces ∼ 150.000 results, against the ∼ 19.600 obtained by searchingfor “online misandry”. As an example, Figure 1 shows the query results fetched on WebOfScience.

 

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

This quote is also interesting:

Damn, I completely overlooked that, nice catch.