Trolley Problem

[SergeantIncel]

For those who don't know the problem:

"There is a runaway trolley barreling down the railway tracks. Ahead, on the tracks, there are five people tied up and unable to move. The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing some distance off in the train yard, next to a lever. If you pull this lever, the trolley will switch to a different set of tracks. However, you notice that there is one person on the side track. You have two options:

1. Do nothing and allow the trolley to kill the five people on the main track.
2. Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person.

Which is the more ethical option? Or, more simply: What is the right thing to do?"

Trolley problem - Wikipedia

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Apparently, in various surveys, "approximately 90% of respondents [choose] to kill the one and save the five"
What will it be here?

 

[Total Imbecile]

This is such a simple problem to me. Due to being incel I literally dont care about anything, other peoples lives are meaningless to me, Id just let the train kill 5 people, why risk going to prison

0.00001% chance of me going to prison if I do anything worries me more than 5 randos dying

 

[SergeantIncel]

why risk going to prison

The problem assumes there's no risk of anything bad happening to you. This is a purely in-a-vacuum problem, the only real interest is what you think is the right move.

 

[Hate_my_life]

Depends on the gender

 

[Speedloader]

Depends on the gender

 

[based_meme]

I guess the letter agencies want to know our moral leanings now too.

JFL

I walk away and don't play this game. Where's my vote option? I suppose that'll get lumped in with option 1, which technically shouldn't be the case.

Anyway, this all boils down to whether you're a Kantian or a Utilitarian. It doesn't capture merging elements of the ethical systems. Nothing is absolute, so you will behave like one or the other, depending on the circumstances. I've always hated this stupid hypothetical, because of the way it pigeonholes you in such an artificial and contrived manner.

 

[Justdone]

I wouldn’t be a true confrontationalcel if I to not throw something at the one guy enough to make him move and switch the trolley to the other track. No one dies on captain Done’s watch

2 it is

 

[Deleted member 19236]

do nothing and record it

 

[schrodingercoper]

do nothing and record it

based

 

[based_meme]

do nothing and record it

based

 

[superighteous]

Do nothing. I can’t say fate chose to spare this hypothetical guy cause I don’t believe in it, but something about pulling the lever seems wrong. Even if it was someone else pulling the lever and not me.. I think I’d even advise them not to. Maybe it’s because they all see the train coming and have all accepted the outcome already, so to provide a twist to an already shitty situation seems twisted, especially to the one guy.

 

[RREEEEEEEEE]

I'd let five people die because FUCK people. I'd rather save animals.

 

[ihaveno1]

depends whos on the sides but most likely do nothing

 

[JohnDoe]

Euthanize the mentally disabled, they shouldn't be on a train track (take the rout with 5 then go back for another run at the single person)

 

[based_meme]

Euthanize the mentally disabled, they shouldn't be on a train track (take the rout with 5 then go back for another run at the single person)

Hello, based department?

 

[Indari]

Go ER on all of them before the train can hit them

 

[ADepressedVirgin]

so 5 people die together, or 1 person dies alone.

if the one person is a foid then i choose the one person. If the one person is male then always the 5.

 

[based_meme]

so 5 people die together, or 1 person dies alone.

if the one person is a foid then i choose the one person. If the one person is male then always the 5.

What if it's 5 incels? Do you let the truest cel live?

 

[Caesercel]

lie down on the track myself

Depends on the gender

 

[based_meme]

lie down on the track myself

KEK

If this thread proves anything, it's that we're unpredictable.

 

[Caesercel]

KEK

If this thread proves anything, it's that we're unpredictable.

This based kid knows what's up

 

[based_meme]

This based kid knows what's up

View: https://thumbs.gfycat.com/YellowNegligibleAnnashummingbird-mobile.mp4


Had a hunch he'd do that.

 

[JosefMengelecel]

Depends on who they are. I would just let the 5 people die because fuck them. They are not entitled to my help

 

[BummerDrummer]

Who are the people on the track

 

[WØLF]

Depends on the gender

 

[ADepressedVirgin]

What if it's 5 incels? Do you let the truest cel live?

idk bro luckily ill never be in this situation

 

[based_meme]

Who are the people on the track

The question intentionally doesn't specify. The purpose isn't to determine who you would let live based on the details, but to determine how you come to the decision of saving 5 or 1.

 

[SergeantIncel]

Who are the people on the track

The problem assumes you don't know, and that they are all of "equal value".
i.e assume they are clones of some random average dude.

 

[BummerDrummer]

The question intentionally doesn't specify. The purpose isn't to determine who you would let live based on the details, but to determine how you come to the decision of saving 4 or none.

The problem assumes you don't know, and that they are all of "equal value".
i.e assume they are clones of some random average dude.

I’d kill the 1 guy. The 5 guys saved would become my friends and/or give me money and shit

 

[caniwin]

I initially voted to kill the five people, because it felt like I was playing a more active role in the death by flipping the switch (I also think I was subconsciously affected by knowing that 90% of the population votes to flip the switch, and I irrationally wanted to go against that). However, after further thought, I realized that regardless of my personal feelings, all else being equal, killing one person is on average less immoral than killing five people. Now, there is the question of whether flipping the switch is indeed playing a more active role in the death, and whether doing so makes the action more immoral. Nevertheless, I've grudgingly changed my answer to flipping the switch.

I think the "greatest good for the greatest number" (utilitarian) strategy is the right answer here, for the reason I stated above. However, the problem didn't specify anything about any of the people in it. In particular, I think that a lot of subjectivity would enter if I specified their age, sex, race, occupation, etc., due to in-group preference and subjective views on the "value" of different groups. When such a great amount of subjectivity enters the conversation, I'm not sure if much interesting/useful information can be gathered regarding the "right" decision.

There's also the issue of personal relationships, which would completely override any utilitarian considerations. For example, if I knew that the five people tied down were world-renowned scientists who had gang raped my sister (I'm just making something up), and the one person on the other track was my best friend, I would not flip the switch, even though the utilitarian strategy would tell me to flip it. However, suppose the world-renowned scientists were on the brink of curing some rare form of cancer that only my sister had, and instead of raping my sister, they had raped some random foid I'd never met before. And suppose the one person on the other track was not my best friend, but instead was some random male normie I'd never met before. Now, I would flip the switch again, even though the action of rape remains equally evil. This reveals that the decision was not out of some abstract desire for morality, but out of selfish preference, rendering the problem virtually useless.

 

[Atavistic Autist]

Doing nothing does not mean that you've "let five people die;" it's just that you've done nothing.

JFL at the heroic pretenses of normgroids. The only reason I'd be on the rail tracks anyway is if I'm trying to sui.

 

[BummerDrummer]

It’s not a moral issue. Objectively Saving 5 people would grant you easy connections/access to their shit.

“I saved your life with the trolley! Surely I demand a reward?”. Even if they gave you a penny you’d still be better off than if you hadn’t done anything.

 

[mental_out]

It’s not a moral issue. Objectively Saving 5 people would grant you easy connections/access to their shit.

“I saved your life with the trolley! Surely I demand a reward?”. Even if they gave you a penny you’d still be better off than if you hadn’t done anything.

What if they all give you no reward?

 

[BummerDrummer]

What if they all give you no reward?

Then you still establish connections with 5 people Where you saved their life

 

[IamJacksBrokenHeart]

lay with the five people .

 

[based_meme]

It’s not a moral issue.

Bruh...

It's literally an ethical hypothetical scenario. It's exactly a moral issue.

 

[shii410]

2 seems like the best option here

 

[BummerDrummer]

Bruh...

It's literally an ethical hypothetical scenario. It's exactly a moral issue.

It’s not a moral issue. Objectively Saving 5 people would grant you easy connections/access to their shit.

“I saved your life with the trolley! Surely I demand a reward?”. Even if they gave you a penny you’d still be better off than if you hadn’t done anything.

Then you still establish connections with 5 people Where you saved their life

Cope nigguh

 

[Uglychincel]

The question just assumes you will save 5 people because it's better killing 1 than 5 "morally", or that you will have some type of soy PTSD for even killing the 1 person. And most people will pick the 5 assuming they are all the same person in worth essentially.

This is the version that should be in psychology books for normies to ponder:

One side of the track is a blonde Stacy and the other side of the track is 4 dravidian curries, who do you save?

Let people answer anonymously and 99% will pick Stacy. TLDR there is no morality.

 

[Damo the incel]

Depends on the gender

 

[FullTimeLoser]

My answer entirely depends on if people would know what I did or not

 

[Eschewcel]

I won't do anything, I'm not going to murder that poor guy.
I prefer to go to jail for having slain pussies than having pulled a lever.

 

[Deleted member 24256]

Do nothing

 

[Lone-Star]

do nothing and record it

 

[Emba]

The answer is simple.

Mutiny! It's the only way to honor your oath to the constitution!

 

[Over_this_Life]

The answer is multitrack drifting. Then derail the train for maximal carnage

 

[FrothySolutions]

This based kid knows what's up

We think alike. The only reason I came to this thread was to post this video.

 

[Haywire]

if i dont know them i just keep going on my way.

 

[Deleted member 25707]

fap to lolis

 

[Haywire]

fap to lolis

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