Discussion Thoughts on incels, politics and our failure to be taken seriously

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Can you really say you are not alt-right/fascist/"paleoconservative" if you are not pro equality in freedom, but also in happiness in outcome for females, poors, ABC people, Jews and Blacks? Think in terms of positive and negative freedoms here. Also think about class mobility. If you made it from a poor family, you are most likely an outlier and genetically giftet. Most people here seem to be pretty intelligent. The persecution of each of these groups stems from the underlying mechanisms. The people here, though not being a sheep and follower of liberalism, but being on the other hand ideologically rooted to far from leftism or to uneducated to consider different answers beyond liberalism and understand those.

I am talking here in principle, what you might perceive as "the left" in reality asside.

I am starting to believe from various conversations, Inceldom is an obvious problem and the people here mostly fell into the trap of enlightend centrism, thinking they are in the middle, but fell for a right wing undercover tactic. Maybe we misaligned us unknowingly really with some alt-right cesspool, possibly having been undermined? Lookism is kinda an obvious concept, some IT nutcases aside, and pretty known in rl. Most people just don't seem to care, just as with everything else. Wouldn't it make more sense if we ally ourselves with people who care and if it is just to get the word out? I feel we bet on the wrong horse honestly.

And no, I am neither principally a peaceful cuck nor a glowniggER. Just a realist concerning those things.

 

[To koniec]

Can you really say you are not alt-right/fascist/"paleoconservative" if you are not pro equality in freedom, but also in happiness in outcome for females, poors, ABC people, Jews and Blacks? Think in terms of positive and negative freedoms here. Also think about class mobility. If you made it from a poor family, you are most likely an outlier and genetically giftet. Most people here seem to be pretty intelligent. Each of the persecution of these groups though basically results from not being a sheep and follower of liberalism, but being on the other hand ideologically rooted to far from leftism or to uneducated to consider different answers beyond liberalism.

I am talking here in principle, what you might perceive as "the left" in reality asside.

I am starting to believe from various conversations, Inceldom is an obvious problem and the people here mostly fell into the trap of enlightend centrism, thinking they are in the middle, but fell for a right wing bait and switch tactic. Maybe we misaligned us unknowingly really with some alt-right cesspool, possibly having been undermined? Lookism is kinda an obvious concept, some IT nutcases aside, and pretty known in rl. Most people just don't seem to care, just as with everything else. Wouldn't it make more sense if we ally ourselves with people who care and if it is just to get the word out? I feel we bet on the wrong horse honestly.

Most people here have average intellligence outcome like most groups are ( besides mensa group and NBA ( tho it is below average intelligence )). And people who are born poor aren't more genetically giftet...unless you post sources, studies etc
Btw...are you greek ? ( nice avatar also ).

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Most people here have average intellligence outcome like most groups are ( besides mensa group and NBA ( tho it is below average intelligence )). And people who are born poor aren't more genetically giftet...unless you post sources, studies etc
Btw...are you greek ? ( nice avatar also ).

Most dumber incels seem to stay more bluepilled and we have lots of stemcels hete. Maybe it is a selective misperception on my part, though.

I meant that those, who got out of poverty without any help were lucky with the genes and often show some kind of survivor bias afterwards seeing those left behind with contempt.

Half greek/german.

Thanks
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[PPEcel]

I've been somewhat open about the fact that I'm one of the more liberal individuals on the forum.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

who cares. either way nothing positive will ever happen for us. might as well go for poltically extreme views

 

[To koniec]

Most dumber incels seem to stay more bluepilled and we have lots of stemcels hete. Maybe it is a selective misperception on my part, though.

I meant that those, who got out of poverty without any help were lucky with the genes and often show some kind of survivor bias afterwards seeing those left behind with contempt.

Half greek/german.

Thanks
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75 IQ black rapper can go out poverty and become rich...unless we make iq test to every user we can't make statements that we are smart.
Out the context...do you live in germany or greece ? or...which do you feel more ?
German or Greek ?

 

[Deleted member 17419]

'Freedom' is a vague and incoherent concept, and indicative of low IQ if you're obsessed by it without being able to pin it down.

 

[Deleted member 19236]

'Freedom' is a vague and incoherent concept

 

[Deleted member 22685]

We won't be, ever.
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[Black Soul]

Can you really say you are not alt-right/fascist/"paleoconservative" if you are not pro equality in freedom, but also in happiness in outcome for females, poors, ABC people, Jews and Blacks? Think in terms of positive and negative freedoms here. Also think about class mobility. If you made it from a poor family, you are most likely an outlier and genetically giftet. Most people here seem to be pretty intelligent. The persecution of each of these groups stems from the underlying mechanisms. The people here, though not being a sheep and follower of liberalism, but being on the other hand ideologically rooted to far from leftism or to uneducated to consider different answers beyond liberalism and understand those.

If women's freedom leads to suffering for us, then why do we not have the freedom to defend ourselves or take revenge?
Who determines the limits of freedom? And how?

I am starting to believe from various conversations, Inceldom is an obvious problem and the people here mostly fell into the trap of enlightend centrism, thinking they are in the middle, but fell for a right wing undercover tactic. Maybe we misaligned us unknowingly really with some alt-right cesspool, possibly having been undermined? Lookism is kinda an obvious concept, some IT nutcases aside, and pretty known in rl. Most people just don't seem to care, just as with everything else. Wouldn't it make more sense if we ally ourselves with people who care and if it is just to get the word out? I feel we bet on the wrong horse honestly.

I do not know if you understood this to be true, but do you want us to defend ourselves that we are not from the alternative right while they did not prove that we are from the alternative right but they say this as a kind of stigma or shame and we did not claim that

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

75 IQ black rapper can go out poverty and become rich...unless we make iq test to every user we can't make statements that we are smart.
Out the context...do you live in germany or greece ? or...which do you feel more ?
German or Greek ?

As I said it is anecdotal, I am talking about more traditional career paths here. A 75iq dude will hardly get into stem.

Raised up in Germany, not a fan, but it is prolly a grass is greener on the other side of the fence thing. Are you greek? From which region? Used to visit it pretty often. My greek is almost non existent now ngl.

 

[Deleted member 21883]

The core issue is that incels can be persecuted without fear because they are not going to have descendants bent on revenge as other groups will.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

'Freedom' is a vague and incoherent concept, and indicative of low IQ if you're obsessed by it without being able to pin it down.

I actually think if you look at classic liberalism (libertarianism), it is pretty clear also where it failed/is inconsistent and its principles need to be extended (negative freedoms, workplace democracy to stop oligarchies from forming).

The core issue is that incels can be persecuted without fear because they are not going to have descendants bent on revenge as other groups will.

Interesting point. In the other hand nature ensures a steady flow of new incels. It's upon us to educate our confederate children.

If women's freedom leads to suffering for us, then why do we not have the freedom to defend ourselves or take revenge?
Who determines the limits of freedom? And how?


I do not know if you understood this to be true, but do you want us to defend ourselves that we are not from the alternative right while they did not prove that we are from the alternative right but they say this as a kind of stigma or shame and we did not claim that

You know the phrase one's person freedom ends where another one's starts? Revenge is not part of that, I think. Defense yes, but you have first to be realistic and second don't replace one system of oppression with another one. There are enough peaceful propositioms to rally around and enough potential human rights groups to ally with. Time is money and time is freedom. There will be a compromise found. I don't think women are the lome perpetuators of the status quo. You don't say for nothing the rich and beautiful. Everywhere are threads how chads and women are economically advantaged. How a lot of cels are poor or fall behind their genetic potential. Ensuring resources in forms of genetic material or physical wealth to ensure the success your breeding program are part of pretty much the same problem. Evolutionary greed. If we want to adress this we need to target both. The profiteurs are far to intertwined and so is the issue itself. Inceldom could be hugely aleviated by things like for example looksmaxprograms, but that would cost money and judging by the overall imcrease of austerity this won't ever happen by neither center(libs) nor right.

Right. Just trying to probe honestly and maybe give some food for thought. Most people I talked to were pretty rightwing, if pushed long enough.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

who cares. either way nothing positive will ever happen for us. might as well go for poltically extreme views

Good news for you; socialism is considered radical by most people and might actually help us. The pull yourself up by your bootstraps right will certainly not. Time to pull your head out of the sand. They have a pretty good historical record fighting for their clientel. And even just if through pulling the overton window economically left alone (what is currently reversed with the help of big business who wisely fingated the new deal to stop democratization of their assets and revert the changes in the long run).