This forum puts a 40 year old man who has striven hard to get sex on par with a 16 yo

[FACEandLMS]

A popular opinion on this forum is that anyone who has any sort of intimacy with a woman is a fakecel. "A woman touched your hand REEEEEEE get out!!!!111".

No ban please. This isn't an anti-incel post (as I am one, duh). Hold your banhammer.

If you have ADHD, just read the bold:

Essentially, this put the two following men on par:

a) An ugly 30-40 (or whatever) year old man who:
- was highly social and made friends despite his looks (not as many as he would have had he been better looking);
- used his friends as social leverage and status to meet -- and be perceived less creepier by -- women;
- had little social anxiety if any; was able to talk konfiduntlee with wit, charm, captiveness - at much as his looks allowed;
- approached 50 girls a month in the 2-5/10 looks range;
- suffered literally 10,000 rejections throughout their youth, teens, twenties, thirties but strove on;
- took every single opportunity wherever possible to meet as many women as possible in the hopes that JUST 1 would be hard-up enough and in a moment of weakness enough to give him a kiss or more.
- got that intimacy at 30 or 40 or 50 (from an old hag single mum acidburns woman)

b) A 16 year old boy who:
- is still in his looksprime
- has barely had a conversation with a person outside of his home;
- has CRIPPLING SOCIAL ANXIETY, is unable to make eye-contact with anyone; never leaves the house apart from to go to a few classes;
- hasn't learned out to interact with people IRL;
- is too scared to create an online-dating profile or if he did, used the worst bathroom mirror selfies ever.
- has never spoken to a non-family girl before - other than a few incidental words: "Can I borrow your pen?", "ex-exu-se me", "no".
- hasn't done years of approaching women in nightclubs, online-dating, daygame, mallgame, social circle (cuz he has none)
- literally lives a cycle of: half-arsed homework, sleeping, fapping, not showering, shitting, eating, barely attending class, posting online;

This forum puts these two on equal footing and says: "REEEE! The first man got intimacy therefore is a fakecel". There is no accounting for effort put in. There is no accounting for how hard one has striven to get even the most subhuman of women. There is no accounting for the AGE DIFFERENCE and GENERATIONAL gap. Surely someone who started approaching women before online-dating became big would have had a few years where it was SLIGHTLY EASIER to get a gf/a hug/a kiss than someone who is 16-20 yo in 2017. There is no accounting for if the women were old AND fat AND ugly AND had poor hygiene OR later made a false rape accusation or anything.

It's just a black-and-white, straight down the line, aspie-fueled cutoff: got a kiss on the cheek after 20 years approaching women? FAKECEL REEEEE! Never spoke to a woman before? CONFIRMED INCEL.

What people here don't realize is, the incel community didn't exist in the early 2000s and early 2010s. Incels back then thought that their rejections were down to them doing something wrong and so got back on the horse after every fall, then coped, then got back on again.

An old incel who approach 500 women and kissed the 501st one is not equal to a teen who can't make eye-contact with people, needs to pop xanax just to leave the room and has decided it's over so there is no point in doing one approach.

An old incel who worked hard, saved up his money and flew to Thailand or some shithole to get a halfarsed fuck from some girl who possibly might have been born with a penis is not equal to a basement-ridden teen who literally has nothing to say when he doesn't have a keyboard in front of him.


Not to say that there aren't FAKECELS among us.

If this post is offensive or breaks some rules, let me know which parts to edit.

 

[Deleted member 306]

Age means shit. Sex is sex. Even if hed sex at 70 years old he would still be a fakecel

 

[CopingGymcel]

- has had multiple girlfriends in the past

- claims to be incel

I don't think you're incel, but I do believe you've been fucked pver by nature.


You're pretty much describing me, although I am not 16 and in my looksprime.

 

[FACEandLMS]

Age means shit. Sex is sex. Even if hed sex at 70 years old he would still be a fakecel

If a man gets a kiss on the cheek as a 70 on his deathbed, then that means the whole of his life he was a fakecel.

In that case, you can't call yourself an incel until you are on your deathbed.

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- has had multiple girlfriends in the past

- claims to be incel

The "grew wrong" guy started that rumour. I just didn't correct him.

 

[CopingGymcel]

If a man gets a kiss on the cheek as a 70 on his deathbed, then that means the whole of his life he was a fakecel.

In that case, you can't call yourself an incel until you are on your deathbed.

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The "grew wrong" guy started that rumour. I just didn't correct him.

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I've seen a pic of your previous girlfriend. She looked alright.

 

[Incel801]

Us old guys fit in here because we are the same 20yo as the rest of the shtlords on this site, Exept we have 10-20yrs of negative experience to back it up..

I say there is no change btw a 25yo incel and a 40 yo incel. Once you hit 25 and still khhv it is OVER! No more redpill should be allowed after that, just a waste of life.

 

[Deleted member 306]

If a man gets a kiss on the cheek as a 70 on his deathbed, then that means the whole of his life he was a fakecel.

In that case, you can't call yourself an incel until you are on your deathbed.

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I said sex not kiss on the cheek. Like hell, even french kissing means shit. Sex is all.

 

[FACEandLMS]

I've seen a pic of your previous girlfriend. She looked alright.

I have to deal with this enough from normies. I didn't think I would have to deal with it from incels too.

If you luck out after 20, 30, 50, 70 years of searching for a girl and get intimacy from ONE, even if you had to fly around the world to meet her in her rice-farm village, then that means that you can get more women and if you don't, it's cuz you're not trying hard enough. 


I guarantee you I've done more to get a gf than many who post here.

You guys think I WANT to identify with the incel movement? lmao. I am not trying to shoehorn myself into this space. I flew to america to get surgery on my fucking eyes. I am going to pay out of my ass for jaw surgery that will go into the 10s of 1000s of pounds when I'm as poor and old as SHIT. I find it an insult when the huge efforts I've put into trying to get a gf is isn't considered when discussing my inceldom.

 

[CopingGymcel]

I have to deal with this enough from normies. I didn't think I would have to deal with it from incels too.

If you luck out after 20, 30, 50, 70 years of searching for a girl and get intimacy from ONE, even if you had to fly around the world to meet her in her rice-farm village, then that means that you can get more women and if you don't, it's cuz you're not trying hard enough. 


I guarantee you I've done more to get a gf than many who post here.

You guys think I WANT to identify with the incel movement? lmao. I am not trying to shoehorn myself into this space. I flew to america to get surgery on my fucking eyes. I am going to pay out of my ass for jaw surgery that will go into the 10s of 1000s of pounds when I'm as poor and old as SHIT. I find it an insult when the huge efforts I've put into trying to get a gf is isn't considered when discussing my inceldom.

To me, to be an incel, you have to not have had sex with a woman before.

I still consider you apart of the incel/PSL community, of course. Your videos are amazing.

I am not trying to be rude or discredit you, it's just my take on the word "incel."

 

[FACEandLMS]

I said sex not kiss on the cheek. Like hell, even french kissing means shit. Sex is all.

OK so you might get sex when you're 40. So you can't call yourself incel yet. Right?

Or is there some loophole whereby:

1) if a man has GOTTEN SEX at 40, he was NEVER INCEL, yet
2) if you aren't 40 yet, you can legit call yourself incel.

Explain that logic to me.

 

[Deleted member 306]

OK so you might get sex when you're 40. So you can't call yourself incel yet. Right?

Or is there some loophole whereby:

1) if a man has GOTTEN SEX at 40, he was NEVER INCEL, yet
2) if you aren't 40 yet, you can legit call yourself incel.

Explain that logic to me.

NOONE has sex for first time after 22 without a prostitute

 

[CopingGymcel]

OK so you might get sex when you're 40. So you can't call yourself incel yet. Right?

Or is there some loophole whereby:

1) if a man has GOTTEN SEX at 40, he was NEVER INCEL, yet
2) if you aren't 40 yet, you can legit call yourself incel.

Explain that logic to me.

Things can change. Maybe one day incels become the hot new trend and every incel gets mad pussy.

 

[FACEandLMS]

To me, to be an incel, you have to not have had sex with a woman before.

I still consider you apart of the incel/PSL community, of course. Your videos are amazing.

So incel means virgin? So a 2 year old boy is incel then?
What's the name for someone who lucked out with a girl once but can't do it again?

Do you realize what CELIBATE means? Do you realize what INVOLUNTARY means? CELIBATE doesn't mean virgin. Or did the Romans get their own language wrong?

 

[Deleted member 60]

A popular opinion on this forum is that anyone who has any sort of intimacy with a woman is a fakecel. "A woman touched your hand REEEEEEE get out!!!!111".

No ban please. This isn't an anti-incel post (as I am one, duh). Hold your banhammer.

If you have ADHD, just read the bold:

Essentially, this put the two following men on par:

a) An ugly 30-40 (or whatever) year old man who:
- was highly social and made friends despite his looks (not as many as he would have had he been better looking);
- used his friends as social leverage and status to meet -- and be perceived less creepier by -- women;
- had little social anxiety if any; was able to talk konfiduntlee with wit, charm, captiveness - at much as his looks allowed;
- approached 50 girls a month in the 2-5/10 looks range;
- suffered literally 10,000 rejections throughout their youth, teens, twenties, thirties but strove on;
- took every single opportunity wherever possible to meet as many women as possible in the hopes that JUST 1 would be hard-up enough and in a moment of weakness enough to give him a kiss or more.
- got that intimacy at 30 or 40 or 50 (from an old hag single mum acidburns woman)

let's be real. No one here fits that stereotype.

But I agree - it's too early for some of the younger guys to claim they're incel.

 

[CopingGymcel]

What's the name for someone who lucked out with a girl once but can't do it again?

Fakecel 

 

[FACEandLMS]

NOONE has sex for first time after 22 without a prostitute

OK, so no one has ever lost their virginity with a civilian woman after 22? You've shown your ignorance and immaturity. I mean, you didn't even say "except Morman incels who become beta providers at age 25 and get sex once a month as a duty". You didn't even qualify it at all.

Any man who lost his virginity after 22 did it with a prostitute? THROUGHOUT HUMAN HISTORY!!!

OK, I guess you really are 19 or whatever.

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Fakecel 

lol ok

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let's be real. No one here fits that stereotype.

But I agree - it's too early for some of the younger guys to claim they're incel.

This.

I'm an involuntary non-handstander. I'll never perform a handstand. I haven't actually tried to do one, but it's physically impossible for me to do it, I think.

 

[Deleted member 306]

OK, so no one has ever lost their virginity with a civilian woman after 22? You've shown your ignorance and immaturity. I mean, you didn't even say "except Morman incels who become beta providers at age 25 and get sex once a month as a duty". You didn't even qualify it at all.

Any man who lost his virginity after 22 did it with a prostitute? THROUGHOUT HUMAN HISTORY!!!

OK, I guess you really are 19 or whatever.

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It's a sad truth but 22 is death sentence. Virginity at that age=subhuman confirmed.

 

[neverwinxii]

Fact is, the chances for an 18 year old virgin to get sex in the next 10 years is much much higher than a 40 year old that's had one brief relationship in his life. There should be an oldcel subforum or something, this place is turning into a teen angst shitfest.

 

[Sneepysqar]

Older guys are much more likely to get betabuxed. Back in the day, working hard would get you a good job. Now, you need to get lucky. Also, being in the industry for a long time means they'll get paid more, making them better betabux material.

Also, hypergamy wasn't as extreme back then, so getting laid at age 20 in the '90s is much easier than now, and might not even be possible as femoids have so many more options now.

Even now, approaching thousands of women and scoring once shouldn't count for much. She could've been drunk, high, trying to get back at someone, or just wanted some free stuff.

I said sex not kiss on the cheek. Like hell, even french kissing means shit. Sex is all.

OK so you might get sex when you're 40. So you can't call yourself incel yet. Right?
Or is there some loophole whereby:
1) if a man has GOTTEN SEX at 40, he was NEVER INCEL, yet
2) if you aren't 40 yet, you can legit call yourself incel.
Explain that logic to me.

FACEandLMS makes a great point here. If we declare guys who get laid after 40 as fakecels, maybe we should be calling incels below 40 maybe-cels?

 

[NekoStance]

I agree that 18 year old virgins here getting mad at oldcels in their 30s who are not virgins but are very much incel is stupid as fuck

it just shows that the Agepill (the most brutal redpill for me) is still not well understood
when you're an ugly old 30something yr old you are just so much worse off than when you were 21

I still haven't seen a good agepill youtube vlog from a MGTOW or someone, someone needs to make one

 

[Red Shambhala]

Good post, OP.

 

[FACEandLMS]

Older guys are much more likely to get betabuxed. Back in the day, working hard would get you a good job. Now, you need to get lucky. Also, being in the industry for a long time means they'll get paid more, making them better betabux material.

Also, hypergamy wasn't as extreme back then, so getting laid at age 20 in the '90s is much easier than now, and might not even be possible as femoids have so many more options now.

Even now, approaching thousands of women and scoring once shouldn't count for much. She could've been drunk, high, trying to get back at someone, or just wanted some free stuff.

FACEandLMS makes a great point here. If we declare guys who get laid after 40 as fakecels, maybe we should be calling incels below 40 maybe-cels?

My argument was too good for @incelman to even try to counter.

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Good post, OP.

Thx.

 

[ordinaryotaku]

Age doesn't mean anything when there are 13 year old boys getting 13 year old girls pregnant (happened in my middle school many, many times). Me and my friends are 17-18 and we're already taking the blackpill. The average age of incels is merely going to get younger and younger if misandry and hypergamy keep being so bluntly common.

 

[Incel_Dikshit]

Most of these youngsters never asked a girl out, they want to get approached yet they call themseleves incels... Well NEWSFLASH youre not a chad go try atleast...
I have the same problem i honestly never asked a girl out and im 20 LOL (still ugly tho) This forum/the blackpill makes most of the youngsters really insecure/nervous/angry around women.

 

[blackcel]

What people here don't realize is, the incel community didn't exist in the early 2000s and early 2010s. Incels back then thought that their rejections were down to them doing something wrong and so got back on the horse after every fall, then coped, then got back on again.

Yep, I am definitely in this group. There was nothing but bluepilled advice on the internet when I was a teenager. The only community that existed was the PUA one, which told everyone that they could get laid if they tried hard enough. Biggest load of bullshit ever, and I think that sentiment is what spawned all of the other communities such as the red pill, MGTOW, and incels.

I would give anyone who legit earned their wizard robe and hat an honorary incel badge, even if they managed to get laid past the age of 30.

 

[kodoku]

< 25 and not virgin = piece of shit normie tier or fakecel at best

 

[anincelforlifelol]

I agree with OP. There are guys who can 100% be incel, even if got completely lucky and had a girlfriend before, or even two girlfriends and had sex. These are the betas who eventually swallow the blackpill. An incel doesn'r exactly mean you need to be sexless forever, but if you struggle with women (for example: A 22 year old who is unable to get laid, even though he had a girlfriend at age 16 is an INCEL, especially if he has incel features, vibe, etc). However a guy who is 22 years old who is unable to get laid, but had a girlfriend in the past year, and has had women talking to him, but he''s just lazy or whatever to fuck her means he is a FAKECEL.

You can be an incel and have a girl attracted to you. It's called an outlier. It doesn't happen often, if ever. And if it does happen, it usually happens when you're in HIGH SCHOOL. Women do not know the beauty of their charm yet + their standards are lower than usual, because they aren't exposed to the many good looking guys. That's what the truth is. That's why you see most women whoring in their college years, not high school years.

 

[Deleted member 236]

Once you get to 30 without sex or intimacy you're Incel for life. Your brain is fucked and developmental milestones have been missed and can never be replaced.

 

[Enigmatic93]

I voted for the second option just to piss you off, invisible.

Your rants are always entertaining.

 

[Framecel222]

IMO if you can't get somewhat-consistent sex with girls that you find attractive then you are incel.

 

[Enigmatic93]

But honestly though I don't care if people here get lucky and have sex a couple of times as long as they're blackpilled and don't post platitudes.

 

[Grotesque]

There's no point debating the bluepilled faggots here. They want their nice little safe space.

Come back to Lookism, Invisible.

 

[Oodar]

I actually agree that anyone who has had sex (especially with a civie) is not incel. I lost my virginity at age 23 to an ugly, mentally ill 31 year old woman. The amount of effort I put into it was immense. I could technically get laid, just not worth the effort for what I'll get.

And besides, I'm old. I can't help myself signing into these forums. My parting words are this. Still doesn't change much to ban people like me. Trolls will be attracted to these types of forums because inceldomry causes insanity, whether it's truecel or mentalcel.

Lots of men of all ages will want to troll and mess with people on here because they're bored and insane from lack of female validation. That's just the way it is.

 

[slackbum]

Celibacy doesnt equal virginity, when will these potatoes finally comprehend that? Does a monk need to be a virgin to commit to celibacy? Obviously not. Equally you don't need to be a virgin to experience INVOULUNTARY CELIBACY. How hard is it to.understand? Mind fucking blowing

 

[Bushladen008]

There's no point debating the bluepilled faggots here. They want their nice little safe space.

Come back to Lookism, Invisible.

Who the fuck is invisible.

 

[JovanD]

I agree man, autistic thinking can be quite annoying, if only there was a way to beat nuance in to some poster's brain.

 

[blackpill_incel]

Lol this is cope and falso. My brother is a 9/10 slayer at age 19, but he's so autistic he can barely string a full sentence together especially with girls. He rarely leaves the house but somehow girls approach him literally anywhere he goes on the rare occasions that he goes out. He fits the description you gave for the 16 yo incel, but he's anything but incel. It fucking sucks but it's true. Looks determine everything in life (or nearly everything) and no matter how autistic a gl person is, femoids will say "oh that's soooooooo cute  XDDD1!1!11 He's just shy " but when we're ugly autistic and quiet, all we hear is "holy shit what a fucking creep *giggles* *disgusted look/pity*

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

Tbh if you have sex after 35, You are a permanent incel. It shouldn't matter that you fucked a used up cunt rage.

 

[FACEandLMS]

There's no point debating the bluepilled faggots here. They want their nice little safe space.

Come back to Lookism, Invisible.

Despite your racism, which I guess is half-trolling, half-general hate for mankind but just directed at nonwhites as a scapegoat, I like you as a poster. That video you made was funny af. 

I am in between two hard places: Here, where you are "incel" if you are a 15 yo boy because your female music teacher didn't give you a handjob but a fakecel if you got your first kiss at 60 yo with a 90 yo woman -- and Lookism, where male models sit in the basement all day waiting for Taylor Swift to crashland in and rape them.

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IMO if you can't get somewhat-consistent sex with girls that you find attractive then you are incel.

That is somewhat open to interpretation because some guys here only find female 8+ attractive. You aren't incel because you can't sportfuck the top 20% of women when you're a 13 yo Call of Duty player. I would say that if you can't even get your looksmatch or even slightly below, then that gives a better indication...

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Lol this is cope and falso. My brother is a 9/10 slayer at age 19, but he's so autistic he can barely string a full sentence together especially with girls. He rarely leaves the house but somehow girls approach him literally anywhere he goes on the rare occasions that he goes out. He fits the description you gave for the 16 yo incel, but he's anything but incel. It fucking sucks but it's true. Looks determine everything in life (or nearly everything) and no matter how autistic a gl person is, femoids will say "oh that's soooooooo cute  XDDD1!1!11 He's just shy " but when we're ugly autistic and quiet, all we hear is "holy shit what a fucking creep *giggles* *disgusted look/pity*

Here what I'm saying: Your brother isn't as incel as an ugly 45 yo male virgin who joins a Mormon church and gets his first hug, kiss and wife within that community.

From a PERSONALITY and MENTAL DEVELOPMENT/AUTISM point of view maybe, but not from a LOOKS point of view. And I thought LOOKS were the main issue here.

 

[Framecel222]

That is somewhat open to interpretation because some guys here only find female 8+ attractive. You aren't incel because you can't sportfuck the top 20% of women when you're a 13 yo Call of Duty player. I would say that if you can't even get your looksmatch or even slightly below, then that gives a better indication...

I see what you're saying but if someone is only attracted to 8+ females then there's really nothing they can do about it. Having high standards is a curse in the same way that being ugly is. If it was as simple as "just lower your standards" then I would be slaying 1/10 poon every day.

 

[CopingGymcel]

You have changed my view on what constitutes being an incel, Invisible. I hereby consider you incel, at least for the moment until you get laid.

 

[NekoStance]

I see what you're saying but if someone is only attracted to 8+ females then there's really nothing they can do about it. Having high standards is a curse in the same way that being ugly is. If it was as simple as "just lower your standards" then I would be slaying 1/10 poon every day.

If you continue to be incel your standards will probably drop naturally with time

 

[Framecel222]

If you continue to be incel your standards will probably drop naturally with time

Oh man I hope this is true. If I could be attracted to girls that are well below average then I could finally get a girlfriend.

 

[Cryingdaily]

Cope