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It is known that testosterone is at it's peak at 18 and 19 and then slowly starts to drop. Men are at that age are the most likely to have the balls to fight back and do something drastic. That's why it's so important for powers that be to keep us docile on porn, junk food and brainless enterteinment during our primal years.

By the time we reach 30 as seen by some users here our testosterone will drop and we will accept being fucked in the ass by society. That's also why young men are made to endlessly self imrove. By the time they get old and realise all their tries were for nothing they will be too weak to do anything.

That's why young incels scare so many people. A man without anything to lose, aware of his situation and with the balls to do something about it? That's their worst fear. Of course they aren't all that worried as pretty much every young men now is a brainless coomer, same with men on this forum.

I'm not recomending nofap of course as it is maddening. However I assume if you'd take porn away from the users here many of the younger one's would ascend one way or the other or do something much better.
 
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Yet another amateur endocrinologist. Love these threads
 
That's why young incels scare so many people.
It's tempting to think that sometimes with how much talk there is about younger incels. But tbh the situation where sexless young men with nothing to lose are actually feared hasn't been true for a long time. If people really feared sexless young men they wouldn't be making fun of them, belittling them and lecturing them about how they better accept how things are. At most they see you as a weird curiosity but get angry if you oppose this.

Also people have always been interested in ideologically molding the minds of the youth (don't forget they see inceldom as an ideology). Notice nobody cares that much about older incels
@Copexodius Maximus @oldcel75
 
It's tempting to think that sometimes with how much talk there is about younger incels. But tbh the situation where sexless young men with nothing to lose are actually feared hasn't been true for a long time. If people really feared sexless young men they wouldn't be making fun of them, belittling them and lecturing them about how they better accept how things are. At most they see you as a weird curiosity but get angry if you oppose this.

Also people have always been interested in ideologically molding the minds of the youth (don't forget they see inceldom as an ideology). Notice nobody cares that much about older incels
@Copexodius Maximus @oldcel75
young incels can be transformed into a betamaxxxing wagecuck that is a cog in the socio-economic machine.
They can't do anything to oldcels because they aren't as gullible and can't be manipulated that easily.
 
young incels can be transformed into a betamaxxxing wagecuck that is a cog in the socio-economic machine.
Goes the most for late teens and young 20 something males. Everyone is out for them in some way. It's become like a meme about appealing to young MEN's anger to lead them into pursuits that really don't benefit them in any way (like politics coping overall)
@SlayerSlayer
They can't do anything to oldcels because they aren't as gullible and can't be manipulated that easily.
But the downside is that oldcels are a lot weaker (brutal agepill) and so can't fight back as easily even if they know they are being manipulated.
 
But the downside is that oldcels are a lot weaker (brutal agepill) and so can't fight back as easily even if they know they are being manipulated.
That's why I recommend every incel gymaxxx, learn to fight, have weaponry, and prepare for anything.
 
That's why I recommend every incel gymaxxx, learn to fight, have weaponry, and prepare for anything.
Good suggestions but that mainly applies to helping with self defense. For young men to use physical strength to get their needs met isn't that do able anymore. It used to work when society relied on young men to do the majority of daily tasks and heavy lifting in society and was at the mercy of keeping them satisfied but now most of the tasks that young men do is mostly automated or outsourced (think police, military, surveillance, spin doctors in the media).

Young men rising up is a form of exercising leverage, even if it's not by negotiation but force. But young men and men overall no longer have the leverage they once had so them doing that can be easily countered. As a result nobody is really afraid of young men, even if it is still those group of men most capable of doing damage compared to older men. They know that at most it will just be a few isolated young men imploding and taking some people with them but they have judged that to be an acceptable risk.
 
Good suggestions but that mainly applies to helping with self defense. For young men to use physical strength to get their needs met isn't that do able anymore. It used to work when society relied on young men to do the majority of daily tasks and heavy lifting in society and was at the mercy of keeping them satisfied but now most of the tasks that young men do is mostly automated or outsourced (think police, military, surveillance, spin doctors in the media).

Young men rising up is a form of exercising leverage, even if it's not by negotiation but force. But young men and men overall no longer have the leverage they once had so them doing that can be easily countered. As a result nobody is really afraid of young men, even if it is still those group of men most capable of doing damage compared to older men. They know that at most it will just be a few isolated young men imploding and taking some people with them but they have judged that to be an acceptable risk.
antifa was able to band together and burn cities down.
Eventually it will happen on a far larger scale.
Idk if incels themselves will ever rise up, ugly people are generally lower iq, high inhib, and hate themselves more than they hate society.
They also believe in bluepilled copes because most people don't want to accept the reality of the blackpill.
 
antifa was able to band together and burn cities down.
Eventually it will happen on a far larger scale.
Here is the ironic part: the young men that can do real damage aren't the ones that usually struggle to get laid (thugmaxxing and darktriad pill).

It's the young men that are sexless but that aren't that strong and that (while frustrated and clearly very angry) that are mostly powerless to enact most of their revenge without things like firearms or easy access to other force mulitipliers. And society has that all on lock now to prevent mass events like that from occurring.

Anyway when is the last time you saw blackpilled incels riot and break things? Almost never (maybe jihadists in the Middle East are an exception but even then a lot of them are married and more animated by hatred of western culture than sexual frustration).

There is a certain segment of young men that are indeed really violent but they aren't usually incels. So any force they use obviously isn't going to achieve anything for sexless young males.
Idk if incels themselves will ever rise up, ugly people are generally lower iq, high inhib, and hate themselves more than they hate society.
Yeah just like ethnic males nonchad males as a whole have a lot of division and its easy to exploit that in divide and conquer maneuvers to keep nonchad males subservient.
They also believe in bluepilled copes because most people don't want to accept the reality of the blackpill.
That's another form of divide and conquer if its nonchad males that buy into the bluepilled copes tbh
 
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Here is the ironic part: the young men that can do real damage aren't the ones that usually struggle to get laid (thugmaxxing and darktriad pill).

It's the young men that are sexless but that aren't that strong and that (while frustrated and clearly very angry) that are mostly powerless to enact most of their revenge without things like firearms or easy access to other force mulitipliers. And society has that all on lock now to prevent mass events like that from occurring.
darknet. Also, how do you process the thugmaxxxing pill in light of the blackpill?

Anyway when is the last time you saw blackpilled incels riot and break things? Almost never (maybe jihadists in the Middle East are an exception but even then a lot of them are married and more animated by hatred of western culture than sexual frustration).
fat left groups like antifa are full of incels tbh
 
darknet. Also, how do you process the thugmaxxxing pill in light of the blackpill?
You have to a large and intimidating enough physical frame and look like you can fight to thugmaxx effectively imo.
fat left groups like antifa are full of incels tbh
The type of people in antifa will forever be opposed to the blackpill though. They are thoroughly pro feminist. Also there has been stories about how they are paid to do a lot of the rioting meaning that in the absence of being encouraged by certain elements of society they'd probably be more docile
@DonezoTheClown
 
The type of people in antifa will forever be opposed to the blackpill though. They are thoroughly pro feminist. Also there has been stories about how they are paid to do a lot of the rioting meaning that in the absence of being encouraged by certain elements of society they'd probably be more docile
@DonezoTheClown
I never heard of them being paid, that's interesting.
But yeah, makes sense. Most incels can't cope with knowing the truth, but once the chosen few do....

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I never heard of them being paid, that's interesting.
Soros
But yeah, makes sense. Most incels can't cope with knowing the truth, but once the chosen few do....

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Well they'll have to face that what their ancestors did isn't going to be as easy for them to pull off. In some cases some things that they would have got away with doing are next to impossible now. The status quo believes it is more than prepared this time.

Something like a beta revolution and attempts to establish enforced monogamy would be met with the full capabilities and force of private corporations, mercenaries, governments, machinery, propaganda you name it.
 
Soros

Well they'll have to face that what their ancestors did isn't going to be as easy for them to pull off. In some cases some things that they would have got away with doing are next to impossible now. The status quo believes it is more than prepared this time.

Something like a beta revolution and attempts to establish enforced monogamy would be met with the full capabilities and force of private corporations, mercenaries, governments, machinery, propaganda you name it.
Only hope then is China or Islam to win.
 
Only hope then is China or Islam to win.
Even Islam is being "reformed" and smartphones and social media are doing the rest. China might restrict some things like what they did with feminist groups but it's not going to be as much as Islamists would.
 
Even Islam is being "reformed" and smartphones and social media are doing the rest. China might restrict some things like what they did with feminist groups but it's not going to be as much as Islamists would.
The core values of Islam from the Qur'an can never be reformed, the most they go for are the hadiths from what I've seen.
And yeah, China is actually more tolerant to this kind of stuff, but the paternity fraud rate in China and East Asians in general is the lowest in the world. So it probably works for them because the women are better genetically (one trash is better than the others).
 
The core values of Islam from the Qur'an can never be reformed, the most they go for are the hadiths from what I've seen.
Even then people will pick and choose what parts to believe if they feel they can get away with it.
And yeah, China is actually more tolerant to this kind of stuff, but the paternity fraud rate in China and East Asians in general is the lowest in the world. So it probably works for them because the women are better genetically (one trash is better than the others).
Things in China don't seem as crazy as in western countries where women are not only accepted if they say they won't lower their standards in the looks of men but western governments and corporations are actively pushing forward that idea and doing everything they can to encourage to it.
 
But the downside is that oldcels are a lot weaker (brutal agepill) and so can't fight back as easily even if they know they are being manipulated.
What do you mean by "a lot weaker"? I'm heavily armed, and I did not forget what they taught me in the IDF paratroopers brigade.
 
Even then people will pick and choose what parts to believe if they feel they can get away with it.
True, although I see Muslims as a community not let people get away with spreading bullshit like this, even if individuals don't want to follow it all.

Things in China don't seem as crazy as in western countries where women are not only accepted if they say they won't lower their standards in the looks of men but western governments and corporations are actively pushing forward that idea and doing everything they can to encourage to it.
I remember I saw a post that said in the 1920s they were pushing the idea of men accepting marrying non virgins, then in 1940s accept marrying women that are divorced, then in 1960s accept marrying women that are not housewives and can lead the household and she can wear skimpy clothing, then in the 1980s accept that women can divorce rape you , then in the 2000s men need to accept women with kids, and then in the 2010s on reddit, men need to accept raising another man's kid from a cheating wife because it needs a father.

In the end, the West has become so cucked that it doesn't resemble almost any society with their normal gender roles. If you notice, gender relationships among almost all cultures is something that is conserved in humans, from Egypt to China to ancient Greece, etc. Societies that deviated from that, like Rome did, probably don't last very long.
 
What do you mean by "a lot weaker"? I'm heavily armed, and I did not forget what they taught me in the IDF paratroopers brigade.
Weaker meaning physically without weapons and with less stamina and energy than younger men.
True, although I see Muslims as a community not let people get away with spreading bullshit like this, even if individuals don't want to follow it all.
Yeah overall they are still much more resilient even with the rise of SJW muslims.
I remember I saw a post that said in the 1920s they were pushing the idea of men accepting marrying non virgins, then in 1940s accept marrying women that are divorced, then in 1960s accept marrying women that are not housewives and can lead the household and she can wear skimpy clothing, then in the 1980s accept that women can divorce rape you , then in the 2000s men need to accept women with kids, and then in the 2010s on reddit, men need to accept raising another man's kid from a cheating wife because it needs a father.
The slippery slope is real.
Although imo the 1980s was a time of lot of divorces but publicly it was all about feel good messages about how women can have it all and bring home the bacon
@Emba
In the end, the West has become so cucked that it doesn't resemble almost any society with their normal gender roles. If you notice, gender relationships among almost all cultures is something that is conserved in humans, from Egypt to China to ancient Greece, etc. Societies that deviated from that, like Rome did, probably don't last very long.
Almost seems like they are trying to defy the trend at all costs because that's what the modern neoliberal feminist ethos of western countries hinges on now.
 
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truth they have turned me docile. already past 30 and I give up on foids. just cope maxxing
 
Almost seems like they are trying to defy the trend at all costs because that's what the modern neoliberal feminist ethos of western countries hinges on now.
You know, looking at the timing, it began around the time of the formation of the Soviet Union.
Yuri Bezmenov was right

absolutely by seito stockman
Four Stages of Ideological Subversion – Smash Cultural Marxism
Yuri Bezmenovs... - Yuri Bezmenovs Subversive memes
 
You know, looking at the timing, it began around the time of the formation of the Soviet Union.
Yuri Bezmenov was right

absolutely by seito stockman
Four Stages of Ideological Subversion – Smash Cultural Marxism
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True but most likely whatever forces are in charge now took advantage of existing trends. Like with the birth control pill and its invention leading to easier ability for women to have sex without worry of getting pregnant.
 
True but most likely whatever forces are in charge now took advantage of existing trends. Like with the birth control pill and its invention leading to easier ability for women to have sex without worry of getting pregnant.
true, technology also has a role in destroying many of the traditional ways as Jordan Peterson says.
But the same hasn't happened to many countries around the world, so he is just making excuses to make women blame free yet again for their changed behaviors.
 
true, technology also has a role in destroying many of the traditional ways as Jordan Peterson says.
But the same hasn't happened to many countries around the world, so he is just making excuses to make women blame free yet again for their changed behaviors.
America also had a head start on gynocentrism apparently
In 1914, author George A. Birmingham stated that "American social life seems to me gynocentric. It is arranged with a view to the convenience and delight of women. Men come in where and how they can."[9]
 
Honestly the situation only worsens for most of the men, permanently attacked by angry feminists and their male supporters.

It creates more and more frustration, sex deprivation, lack of affection and anger every day.

But it's not only a fight between strong Chads and Incels. Sooner or later, we'll outnumber them all, and cause so much issues in their established societies than they will not be able to handle everything.

One natural evolution of our Incel condition is that many men, including many young men, lose all faith in society. So they don't vaccinate, they don't vote, they stop working, they may become agressive towards almost everybody, stay secluded inside their houses or appartments, elaborate sophisticated cope strategies and strategies to grab free money.

But it can't last very long because, not only do we not produce new generations to work for the elders retirement, but also, all this costs a lot of money. When I realized how much it was completely over for me, I became a NEET. I stopped working and I was doing 30k$/year, money I was spending and so, feeding the local and global economy. Now the governement has to pay me. But not only it pays me much less so I redistribute much less to the local economy, but also, the government has to find new money all the time.

Which means it will asks this money to other people, who will incidently become more and more angry to see their taxes rising.

Other costly things are suicide : a suicide in France directly costs 500k to the governement. It's the price of 5 brand new houses.
Putting an Incel in jail for any reason costs 100€ a day (approx. 100$). 3k/month. If anyone goes ER, it costs the number of victims (let's say 10) x 500k = 5 million, + the days of enjailment x 100$. As the max enjailment is 30 years, it costs 1 million euros to keep you in jail.

And of course, all the damages to repair, medical bills to pay, Court costs, tourists avoiding the area where it happened, etc etc, that's literally ruining.

Go ER is not the only costly thing ; if I live 20 more years, the economy has lost 1 million in income and another million to pay my bills.

Just by existing, this forum costs the wage of several CIA agents tracking and noting any activity.
For the moment, the government pays the bills but has to raise taxes to pay them, and the bill is higher and higher. And don't think it would be cheaper to just stop paying the NEETs, because a NEET without any means becomes a thief.

Even if most of us stay home shitposting here... it costs a lot of money paying us doing it. Unfortunately for our advanced societies, the number of incels is increasing endlessly. They'd like to classify us as terrorists, but as the OP noticed, they also noticed most of us just do nothing at all.

Sex and affection deprivation is generalizing and is about to become a huge problem for the governement money. People losing all faith in their governement are also slowly destabilizing it, especially the democracies who stand on the idea that everyone votes. On the other side, you have legions of feminists becoming crazier and crazier every day, costing a shitload of money too. Will it all end in a gigantic men vs women battle ? Nope. It will end with a soyciety collapse, ruined, unable to satisfy the majority of its citizen, with an army of NEETs everywhere waiting to slowly die. The wealth gap increasing in all the countries will greatly accelerate this process of global ruin ; what's the point of being a billionnaire in a such a devastated society ?
 
Honestly the situation only worsens for most of the men, permanently attacked by angry feminists and their male supporters.

It creates more and more frustration, sex deprivation, lack of affection and anger every day.

But it's not only a fight between strong Chads and Incels. Sooner or later, we'll outnumber them all, and cause so much issues in their established societies than they will not be able to handle everything.

One natural evolution of our Incel condition is that many men, including many young men, lose all faith in society. So they don't vaccinate, they don't vote, they stop working, they may become agressive towards almost everybody, stay secluded inside their houses or appartments, elaborate sophisticated cope strategies and strategies to grab free money.

But it can't last very long because, not only do we not produce new generations to work for the elders retirement, but also, all this costs a lot of money. When I realized how much it was completely over for me, I became a NEET. I stopped working and I was doing 30k$/year, money I was spending and so, feeding the local and global economy. Now the governement has to pay me. But not only it pays me much less so I redistribute much less to the local economy, but also, the government has to find new money all the time.

Which means it will asks this money to other people, who will incidently become more and more angry to see their taxes rising.

Other costly things are suicide : a suicide in France directly costs 500k to the governement. It's the price of 5 brand new houses.
Putting an Incel in jail for any reason costs 100€ a day (approx. 100$). 3k/month. If anyone goes ER, it costs the number of victims (let's say 10) x 500k = 5 million, + the days of enjailment x 100$. As the max enjailment is 30 years, it costs 1 million euros to keep you in jail.

And of course, all the damages to repair, medical bills to pay, Court costs, tourists avoiding the area where it happened, etc etc, that's literally ruining.

Go ER is not the only costly thing ; if I live 20 more years, the economy has lost 1 million in income and another million to pay my bills.

Just by existing, this forum costs the wage of several CIA agents tracking and noting any activity.
For the moment, the government pays the bills but has to raise taxes to pay them, and the bill is higher and higher. And don't think it would be cheaper to just stop paying the NEETs, because a NEET without any means becomes a thief.

Even if most of us stay home shitposting here... it costs a lot of money paying us doing it. Unfortunately for our advanced societies, the number of incels is increasing endlessly. They'd like to classify us as terrorists, but as the OP noticed, they also noticed most of us just do nothing at all.

Sex and affection deprivation is generalizing and is about to become a huge problem for the governement money. People losing all faith in their governement are also slowly destabilizing it, especially the democracies who stand on the idea that everyone votes. On the other side, you have legions of feminists becoming crazier and crazier every day, costing a shitload of money too. Will it all end in a gigantic men vs women battle ? Nope. It will end with a soyciety collapse, ruined, unable to satisfy the majority of its citizen, with an army of NEETs everywhere waiting to slowly die. The wealth gap increasing in all the countries will greatly accelerate this process of global ruin ; what's the point of being a billionnaire in a such a devastated society ?
Nostradamus IQ

Though they always have the back up option of "rebooting" society through war.
 
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America also had a head start on gynocentrism apparently
I remember that when Einstein came to America, he thought American men were cucked and subservient to their women.
 
I remember that when Einstein came to America, he thought American men were cucked and subservient to their women.
It's been over in America for a longer time than even most people here might think tbh @MarquisDeSade
 
The only reason Antifa is accomplishing anything is because our Jew overlords want them to put fear into white people. If our governments gave a single fuck these Antifa/BLM-riots would've been dealt with within an hour. If I was in charge you'd see some dead antifa faggots mixed with a nice handful of BLM-looters and that'd be that.
When it's incels doing anything you'll be treated the same way those anti-lockdown people are and probably worse considering this delusional fearmongering about "white supremacist terrorism is the greatest danger to the USA"-nonsense.
So no standing on the street with a bunch of incels isn't gonna get the same results as the niggers and communists will. Lone wolf style we're pretty fucking dangerous but doesn't seem like we're doing much which is probably related to decreasing T levels like you guys pointed out and the amount of copes (((they))) have given us.
Other costly things are suicide : a suicide in France directly costs 500k to the governement. It's the price of 5 brand new houses.
Putting an Incel in jail for any reason costs 100€ a day (approx. 100$). 3k/month. If anyone goes ER, it costs the number of victims (let's say 10) x 500k = 5 million, + the days of enjailment x 100$. As the max enjailment is 30 years, it costs 1 million euros to keep you in jail.
How does a suicide cost 500K? Kind of a whitepilling post otherwise, fuck society, unless of course they decide that we're not useful anymore so they just start offing us.
 
How does a suicide cost 500K?
It was calculated years ago by the government itself to determine which actions could be set to avoid it. The French Ministry of Economy and Finance had to know exactly how much each suicide cost, because they had to plan the budget for the years to come.

The cost for our 12.000 yearly suicides is 6 billion euros. This bills include a lot of aspects like psychological damages to relatives, medical rescue teams wages and equipement, police forces actions (to secure the perimeter, determine if this was really a suicide, etc), the cost of the administrative change it causes (removing the citizen from all the "alive citizen" registers), the loss of the work the guy would have given to the economy, the removing of this guy's retirement cost, and so on.

Kind of a whitepilling post otherwise, fuck society, unless of course they decide that we're not useful anymore so they just start offing us.

My personnal creed is to be completely useless. But unless I cause a big disaster, the governement orders are to keep as many people alive at any cost. The only exception is jihadist terrorists, who are literally executed by the police here in France, and also executed on other countries by the US Army who will call this an accident.

There's a mutual agreement between the French Army and the US to eliminate jihadists targets who have the nationality from one of these two countries. If an american goes jihadist and radicalizes himself in Syria, the US Army asks the French Army to get rid of him, and the French Army (or Spies) will "accidently" shoot the guy. This process avoids any legal consequences because the US will say the US family that "your jihadist family member, who was in Syria, was accidently killed by the French Army who didn't explained how it happened and addresses your family its most humble excuses". If the US Army was killing its own american citizen, the families could sent the US Government to Court and win a ton of cash.

However I've never heard the French governement mentioning the Incels, because it generally takes us 10 to 20 years to realize things are happening compared to the US.
 
I agree but I don't think it's testosterone. It's just that you become jaded and realize shit is out of your control and you just try to enjoy what copes you can.

Many of us here have talked about "the rage phase" when you first find out about shit and you're probably 16 - 21 or so. Often these young newfags will come here and call oldcels cucks and will purity spiral.
 
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Other costly things are suicide : a suicide in France directly costs 500k to the governement.
How does it cost them anything? Or do you mean "cost" because it's tax revenue that they'll miss out on?
 
I agree but I don't think it's testosterone. It's just that you become jaded and realize shit is out of your control and you just try to enjoy what copes you can.

Many of us here have talked about "the rage phase" when you first find out about shit and you're probably 16 - 21 or so. Often these young newfags will come here and call oldcels cucks and will purity spiral.
More like oldcels just got weaker physically and had to readjust their outlook on life as a result
@BlkPillPres

But yeah a lot of youngcels are really edgy and will purity spiral to prove they are the most based. Easily impressionable and easily influenced and wanting to make a statement but that's what happens when you are a teenager.
 
More like oldcels just got weaker physically and had to readjust their outlook on life as a result
@BlkPillPres

But yeah a lot of youngcels are really edgy and will purity spiral to prove they are the most based. Easily impressionable and easily influenced and wanting to make a statement but that's what happens when you are a teenager.
Hmm. Well the "your will was broken" was what I said basically. I will say though that T might play a part because recently I started exercising and eating more (I was dieting hard) and my T levels have gone up. This has come with increased libido and anger towards sluts.
 
Hmm. Well the "your will was broken" was what I said basically.
That's a blackpill in itself tbh
Your will being broken isn't a good thing but it's inevitable if life beats you down enough.
I will say though that T might play a part because recently I started exercising and eating more (I was dieting hard) and my T levels have gone up. This has come with increased libido and anger towards sluts.
That's good but still not keeping away the agepill forever.
In some aspects I agree with the OP but even then young men just aren't as scary to society as they once were. It's not like in the old days when young men rose up and took everyone by surprise and overwhelming force. It just doesn't work that way anymore. Way more complications and heavy machinery, infrastructure and institutions on the status quo's side.

When enforced monogamy was instituted in ancient times the status quo wouldn't be able to dream of all the resources available to it that it has now.
 
I was in incel communities since I was 12. From the very young age I knew It was over. I'm 18 now
 

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