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I was thinking of writing a long essay about this, but I'll just keep it brief since who the fuck reads these things anymore, right?

Inceldom is a natural phenomenon. Hypergamy and selection pressures guarantee that not every man gets to pass on his genes. For a some portion of men (which is rising, thanks to modern culture and technology), that means that it's over for them at conception and their fate is sealed. As more and more men become aware (black pilled) of this fact (that it's over), they start to check out of society. This has cascading effects across all societal strata. Workforce and the economy, culture and social relations, progress and development etc.

Men are the backbone of society. Imagine, if you will, that every municipal maintenance worker decided one day, "fuck it, I'm just going to LDAR all day. What's the point?" Damaged electric wires, landlines, sewage systems, and roads - all left, unattended. Cities would stop operating inside of a month, and that's just one sector of the workforce. Granted, most of them have reasons (family and future progeny, mostly) to continue contributing to society i.e., working and being cogs. Some small percentage of those workers are likely incel, and if they decide to check out, the loss of labor (skilled or otherwise) isn't going to cause a noticeable dent, as their colleagues would fill the void of their absence until replacements are found. But if that small percentage check out across all sectors of the workforce (let's assume all of them have some small percentage of incel men), then there's going to be a very real and measurable impact.

Suppose you're the government or someone in charge, and suppose that this could happen in your country any day now. Exactly what would you do? You can't force people to pair up, because this infringes upon people's right to personal autonomy (over for enforced monogamy and state mandated wife copers). Even in countries where human rights are a complete joke and are just given lip service in official statements (hint: it's big, red, and has stars), you can't impose this kind of force on them. It would be chaotic and accelerate the internal destabilization of your country. The cultural and societal plague that is modern feminism has all but ensured that this trend of ever increasing portion of disenfranchised men continue to be present and grow towards the critical point. What that critical point is will be hard to pinpoint. I personally think we're past it and are in the early stages of the decline, but that's only conjecture on my part.

How would you incentivize a non-negligible swath of your labor force when money isn't going to be sufficient? There is only so much that video games, porn, drugs, and other copes can do to numb you to the pain of your existential crisis and burgeoning loneliness that is to persist for the rest of you life. WTF is government or "society" supposed to do exactly? Let them die off? OK, great. Now what? Now you have the bottom X% of your remaining male population that will (in time) become incel, thanks once again to hypergamy and the new selection pressures put on men who can only compete in so many ways (and there can only be so many winners). Traditional marriage and monogamous relationships are practically dead, thanks to the constant push of "progressivism" that promotes casual sex and degeneracy, as well as psychologically and societally unhealthy and unnatural relationship dynamics (single motherhood, normalization of cuckoldry and "open relationships" etc.). The family unit is on its last legs and modern Western society is on the precipice of total atomization, with constant nudges from consumerism and aggressive individualism (observed partly in narcissistic social media culture).

The elephant in the room that nobody wants to address is that the sexual revolution, feminism, and the cultural changes had occurred in the following decades has resulted in today's social climate. Laws were changed and this influenced cultural change, which in turn affected more laws to change or be implemented. People act shocked that birth rates are rapidly decreasing worldwide, but nobody wants to admit that this is the end result of reshaping your societies around such ideologies and changes, and the media narrative is to blame men for this (of course, it's always our fault). Men get sidelined and get pushed into obsolescence by the very society that pushed them there, and that same society then blames and gaslights them and for the current mess that society allowed to happen in the first place. And now we're seen as a problem to be dealt with. Society wants to close its eyes and ears to the root of the problem and try to treat the symptoms instead.

I started this off by saying that there's no solution, but that wasn't entirely true. There is only one solution to this growing problem and it's going to upset the forces that want to control and destabilize society. Change back the laws in favor of traditionalism to the pre-feminism era. Yes, turn back the clock. The cancers in society are growing, but they can still be excised and society can be given a chance to heal. It's not an overnight fix, of course, but this will heal society over many decades and generations to come. For us in today's world, however, it's completely and absolutely over (enjoy your copes, buddy boyos). But for future generations, there may yet be hope.
 
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So many paragraphs for something everyone already knows
 
birth rates are rapidly decreasing worldwide, but nobody wants to admit that this is the end result of reshaping your societies around such ideologies and changes
Birth rates decline with economic development and not wokeness. Countries with non-liberal values still see their birth rates fall.
 
I started this off by saying that there's no solution, but that wasn't entirely true. There is only one solution to this growing problem and it's going to upset the forces that want to control and destabilize society. Change back the laws in favor of traditionalism to the pre-feminism era. Yes, turn back the clock. The cancers in society are growing
true

But for future generations, there may yet be hope.
doubt it. The only way society could change back to its natural state would be a rapid societal collapse. But instead the west will continue to decline slowly
 
Society preventing whores from whoring? Doubtful, I think it's more likely that men will be fucked over in some way shape or form to keep things running. I can see soyciety becoming cucked enough to make laws that punish able-bodied men for LDARing.

"You WILL wagecuck and pay taxes that go towards raising chads & beckies bastard offspring and YOU WILL LIKE IT"
 
I knew I'd get at least one KEK out of that.

Believe me, brocel, that is not a long essay for me. If I added helpful stats to back up my arguments and referenced external sources (don't need to reference other people's words anyway, these are my own thoughts), it would probably take me a while longer to write this.
 
Why don't tradlarpers understand that you'd still be just as unattractive and undesirable in the "good ol' days" as you are now. Women still wouldn't want to settle for you.
 
Change back the laws in favor of traditionalism
I disagree that this is a solution. It looks like a solution only because pre-nuclear weapons, there was a large meatgrinder to toss excess men into every few decades for most of the world, so the incel problem just kinda... killed itself out. Traditional societies are just as confused about what to do with us as modern progressive societies are. If you want any basic conception of this, consider how central foid worship is to tradcuck groups - "Our virgin foid is a holy temple" and weird shit like this - they only say that because they hate us and are afraid that we will defile her with our filthy incel-ness, which probably sounds REAL FUCKING FAMILIAR to feminist crying 'Rape Culture!" It's all the same shit.

You can either bring back world wars (not a very good idea in the nuclear age) or figure out something else. Traditionalism won't save us.
 
Why don't tradlarpers understand that you'd still be just as unattractive and undesirable in the "good ol' days" as you are now. Women still wouldn't want to settle for you.
Unless you only mean the ones who think the 50s were the good ol days because the west was for whites, we'd all get sex in the actual good ol days since all you needed to do then was to have a job, and thereby being able to get a foid since they all needed a man to provide resources for them. And more were available since sex happened during marriage rather than it being funneled to the top X % of men by foids choosing them for casual sex.
 
And more were available since sex happened during marriage rather than it being funneled to the top X % of men by foids choosing them for casual sex.
Casual sex has always happened. It's not a recent invention. Flappers were absolutely getting railed.
As for the resources, you can still "provide" (betabux) for women today, the same way normies and below do.
 
Traditionalism won't save us.
Nothing will save us i.e., you, me, and everyone of us here. This is for the long-term in the future. Modern day tradtionalism has a lot of baggage, much of which is :bluepill: . I should have expected that people would think I meant Christian traditionalism or something. I'm talking about particular values within traditionalism that has a proven track record for an overall healthy society, not this garbage culture we're currently living in that has everyone and their dog on anti-depressants.

Why don't tradlarpers understand that you'd still be just as unattractive and undesirable in the "good ol' days" as you are now. Women still wouldn't want to settle for you.
The idea isn't to make her feel raw, visceral attraction for you. Only your genetic makeup can do that. You can't impose artificial changes on evolutionary forces and expect the natural human instincts to play along. That much is obvious.

The idea is to reduce rates and instances of inceldom in society and to reduce the negative long-term effects for everyone, but mostly us - the future incels, anyway, long after you and I are bones and dust.

doubt it. The only way society could change back to its natural state would be a rapid societal collapse. But instead the west will continue to decline slowly
The natural state is chad having harems and killing any beta that threatens his status or women, while rewarding loyal betas with women from his harem to keep their loyalty. I'm not arguing for the natural state, I'm arguing for the pre-feminism and sexual lib state. The state that arguably optimized social harmony in many cultures across the world.

Trust me, you don't want the Mad Max state of the world. That gets romanticized a lot here, but it's going to be a harsh kick in the nuts for 99% of incels and other beta males.
 
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As for the resources, you can still "provide" (betabux) for women today, the same way normies and below do.
No I cant, unless you mean competing with men countless men for the privilege of fucking an old single mom, an old obese foid or some similar foid that's available as betabux options for non-rich incels
 
The natural state is chad having harems and killing any beta that threatens his status or women, while rewarding loyal betas with women from his harem to keep their loyalty. I'm not arguing for the natural state, I'm arguing for the pre-feminism and sexual lib state. The state that arguably optimized social harmony in many cultures across the world.
Also true, I should've said civilized state. Civilization is a result of preventing the above
 
Also true, I should've said civilized state. Civilization is a result of preventing the above
Well, civilization is based on laws, which impose order on society. Change the laws and you change the kind of order that is imposed on society. This process must be top-down, it can't be grassroots bottom-up without a full blown revolution of some kind ("incel rebellion" is a meme and a fantasy, sorry copers).
 
Change back the laws in favor of traditionalism to the pre-feminism era.
Never happening bucko. Only thing that can stop the demise of the west now is a revolution (won't happen, men like their comfortability more than risking death)
 
The idea is to reduce rates and instances of inceldom in society and to reduce the negative long-term effects for everyone, but mostly us - the future incels, anyway, long after you and I are bones and dust.
1. How does this differ from betabuxing? You're supporting a woman that doesn't really want you.
2. Why would a woman settle for an incel, regardless of the time period. Unless it's illegal for her to work and support herself, she has no reason to do anything.
 
Why don't tradlarpers understand that you'd still be just as unattractive and undesirable in the "good ol' days" as you are now. Women still wouldn't want to settle for you.
They wouldn't have much of a choice
 
The only way to "fix" this is by force

Unless incel men topple the government and take women by force, nothing will change

Many guys here envision a scenario where society collapses and then they will apologize to us and make us in charge, it doesn't work like that

Look at human history: Mongols, Vikings, Visigoths sacking Rome, Conquistadors, Taliban, etc.

You need your group of men to militarily take over by force and impose your will. This means as a victor, you write the history. It also means your group of men will get the women, whether they like it or not
 
No government will ever provide ugly men with gfs.
 
There is no solution in general, sadly. The sad truth is, incels will always exist and continue to exist, as long as children are being born, there is always a minor percentage that will be ugly, short, ethnic, compared to the majority percentage of newborns of taller normie-born children, the female children and the tall chadlite+ ones.
 
The only way to "fix" this is by force
In a crude way, yes. All laws are backed by force. Pure force without authority, though, is anarchy. I guess my point about changing the law becomes moot when you factor in this fact (that law is essentially force of writ).

I disagree with this. The situation we are faced with today is radically different from anything we have faced historically - even post feminism. Just look back at the 80's. Bigler (1989) found that "85% of American teens have had a boyfriend or girlfriend." And even then the situation was still good for late bloomers. About 94% of adults ended up losing their virginity to a partner at some point. We as a species have never had a situation where 1/3 to 1/2 of all adult men are completely cut off from all sex. (The caveat being that a majority of men in antiquity died before being able to pass on their genes due to violence).
Remember that, while laws can be amended, modified, or newly legislated within months and made effective immediately after, culture is much slower to adapt. Laws change after certain number of chamber debates, but culture changes after several generations. During the 80s and 90s even, things were still in the process of changing after feminism and the sexual revolution (the two are practically intertwined), which helps explain why dating and relationships were still relatively tame and not a free-for-all fuck-fest (it kind of was, but in isolated pockets in "free love" communities of the 60s).

A secondary point I'm alluding to here is that the current laws that have changed decades ago (and the resulting cultural effects of which are being felt heavily now) are promoting a regression to that state of antiquity where most men do in fact die off from the gene pool.

My take will be controversial here, but I don't think that feminism or the sexual revolution are the main issue. As stated above, even in the 1980's things for the average man were still pretty good - and we were already 20 years deep into radical feminism. Despite the scribblings of radfems, 1980's women were still limited in their sexual partners by their physical location and social circle. Women couldn't just fuck everyone in their social circle and continue to have a good reputation. What really allowed the current situation to unroll is the invention of online dating apps like Tinder. Now women can safely over optimize their hypergamy with little to no social consequences. They aren't even constricted by their physical location anymore. Now any women with zero social skills can hop on 1,001 dicks with little to no effort or consequences. This was never possible before.
You can think of the ideological and cultural changes as the doors that were opened, and technology as the motorbike that helped us zip through that newly opened door. When the first open, the light hit and we were adjusting our eyes and senses. When we acclimated to that, in came tinder and allowed to room in this new space at greater speeds.

Technology amplifies and magnifies effects (it's a catalyst), including aspects of human nature. The firearm, for example, amplified the expression of man's savage nature and so many massacres have happened (and continue to happen) with this technology. Yes, tinder et al. helps facilitate female hypergamy, but it's primary effect is how it amplified hypergamy in a way that nobody had anticipated, least of all the creators of the app themselves (those sorry fucks thought it would help their subhuman asses get laid... JFL).

This is where you I think you are wrong. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. I think the greatest evidence for this is how even the radical Islamic fundamentalists are facing internal resistance from their attempts to turn back the clock. Take Afghanistan for example. Afghani teenagers grew up with 20 years of Instagram and globohomo, and suddenly some medieval goat herders showed up trying to turn the clock back 1400 years. It has not been going well, and some concessions have had to be made along the way. Look up AlphaMaleLifestyle. He's a Muslim redpiller, but he talks about the situation going on right now in the Muslim world. They are facing their own sexual revolution, and the mullahs have for the most part been powerless to really stop it. We can't stop technology.
Globohomo is definitely a strong agenda with a lot of political, media, and financial backing, but it can be curbed. China, for example, has legislated a time limit on video games and social media usage per week for their youth, because (I believe) they understand the potential harm it can have on their society. They've shut down all LGBT bullshit and propaganda, and it seems to be working. In a few decades you'll likely see the average Chinese youth's opinion on video games and social media in a more negative light than today. This is why I think that a top-down approach can in fact work.

Those sorry souls in Afghanistan and in parts of the Muslim world brainwashed by globohomo will likely be assimilated into the West with their Islamic identities faded away, or they'll be quelled by their own culture and government. 20 years is a long to be brainwashed by social media and globohomo. That brainwashing isn't going to just fix itself. That generation is already lost to the current Western culture. The kids born now under the strict Islamic governments are likely to be free from the damaging effects of globohomo, even if they're exposed it in varying degrees. If the authorities in those countries are smart (most aren't), they'll pay attention to the fact that technology is the catalyst and change laws to limit the tech (like banning tinder and porn).

I may be wrong, and this may indeed be Pandora's box that can't be closed, but I do remain hopeful (GIGA COPE) there is a way forward through this mess that circumvents the bullshit of the last 60+ years of cultural degeneration, helped with technology. These kinds of massive changes are ultimately cyclical, and we're destined to repeat another cycle of a pre-feminist cultural era. Whatever the catalyst of that may be, it's hard to say from where we stand.

I agree. I don't think there is a conventional solution at all for us. We are locked in a zero sum game of genetic maximization where either women win and men lose, or men win and women lose. The elephant in the room is female hypergamy. It just does not function in modern civilization. While this sexual strategy worked well in villages when there were like 10 or so guys, in our modern interconnected world women are faced with an endless list of suitors, and research has shown that too many choices impair our ability as humans to make rational decisions. We end up defaulting to none - as can be seen by the majority of women between 18 and 30 being childless.
The real :blackpill: is indeed that hypergamy is the elephant in the room. My initial statement was more so about getting people to first see that feminism and the sexual revolution are the start to these problems, which will then leave them no choice but to conclude that, yes, hypergamy is the culprit and must be kept in check. Right now, we have laws that keep male nature in check, while allowing female nature to roam freely without consequence. Polygamy is illegal, but hypergamy is rewarded with unjust divorce settlements when she gets bored of her husband and decides that Chadriguez's cock is just too good to pass up for the sake of her 15 year marriage and three kids.

Unless we do something to fix this problem, our reproductive trap will see us go the way of the lion. We need to address the problem of hypergamy at the genetic level.
I'm no geneticist, but I don't think that our nature can be fixed at the genetic level. To use a computer science analogy, our instincts are hard-coded in our evolutionary OS's kernel and the kernel itself is quantum-bit encrypted. Even if you could theoretically break through and edit the precise sequences that change how we behave on a fundamental organismic level, we wouldn't be human anymore. We'd be rendered genetically obsolete, as the drive to procreate is intrinsically tied to our different zero-sum mating strategies. So you would have to edit the genes of every single person that is born, and then they would never have the drive to procreate.

This is all theoretical biology and anyone's guess is as good as the other's wrt how these things would play out the macro level.
 
Never happening bucko. Only thing that can stop the demise of the west now is a revolution (won't happen, men like their comfortability more than risking death)
We simply became cowards , many man reek in their little shithole and seem unbothered.

It Is over.
 
They kill men off with war. Congrats now you know what is coming towards you in a couple of months.
 
Legalize rape and murder and inceldom will be solved.

Try and debunk me without moral arguments. You can't.
 
Unfortunately, incels are not majority in any case, yeah, we could ldar our lives but there will be always some betabuxx that ready to sacrifice everything he has.
 
Nice wall of text.

Foids need to stop being so shallow. Or there will be more saints.
 
Legalize rape and murder and inceldom will be solved.

Try and debunk me without moral arguments. You can't.
How about peace and stability, and the negative right to the protection and preservation of self from physical harm?

JFL @ that low IQ "solution."
 
How about peace and stability, and the negative right to the protection and preservation of self from physical harm?

JFL @ that low IQ "solution."
No it wouldn’t:feelskek:
Yes it would. You can only be an incel if you are alive. So any incel who is killed off is no longer an incel.

Peace and stability" is what we have now. Which is incels rotting in their homes jerking off to porn while Chads slay.
 
How about peace and stability, and the negative right to the protection and preservation of self from physical harm?

JFL @ that low IQ "solution."
 
The only solution would require a complete rewrite of everyone's DNA
 
Are the mullahs not sufficiently against enough degenerate behavior? These guys aren’t California liberals, they’re the hardest of the hardcore. And even then, they are being forced to modernize. I really don’t think people understand the consequences of the internet. we will never go back as long as technology and internet anonymity exists
I agree, what is normalized now would make people feel strangled and oppressed if someone tried to force old lifestyle on them.

First step would be admitting there is a no sex problem, unlike now when all they talk about is loneliness because it affects somewhat both genders (for women because it's Chad only) lack of sex life is mostly men problem due to hypergamy and much higher sex drive. Normalizing and legalizing prostitution and giving state paid visits once a week to incels would at least take out the sexual frustration.

I agree there is no clear solution, forced monogamy would cure inceldom for over half of us but for the other half foids would rather die alone then be with a guy she finds repulsive, who knows maybe after sometime they would settle and lower their expectations.
 
I dont see a point in working to pay taxes for society if I know I wont ever get a single foid to like me
 
Peace and stability" is what we have now. Which is incels rotting in their homes jerking off to porn while Chads slay.
OK, let's suppose we have it your way. You spot some stacy in her prime and tackle her to do "what nature intended." Random guy #654800122 comes up to you, shoots you point blank in the head, pushes your corpse off to the side, then mounts stacy in your stead, while your body is going cold right next to them. Now randomly guy #654800123 comes along and does the same thing to him, ad infinitum.

You really didn't think this one through.
 
OK, let's suppose we have it your way. You spot some stacy in her prime and tackle her to do "what nature intended." Random guy #654800122 comes up to you, shoots you point blank in the head, pushes your corpse off to the side, then mounts stacy in your stead, while your body is going cold right next to them. Now randomly guy #654800123 comes along and does the same thing to him, ad infinitum.

You really didn't think this one through.
Then I got to rape a stacy and didn't get thrown in jail to rot for years in that scenario.

Wouldn't be an incel.
 
too true.
straight up screwed
 
But for future generations, there may yet be hope.
And why should I care about future generations? I won't be contributing to them, won't have any descendants of my own. :feelsjuice:
 
There is a solution, but one that goes against the very core of soyciety and normiedom, and so they’ll never implement it: right to die
 
Why don't tradlarpers understand that you'd still be just as unattractive and undesirable in the "good ol' days" as you are now. Women still wouldn't want to settle for you.
 
There are a lot of them but if I submit them I risk ending up in prison, well actually this is not really "modern" but a would be of for example robotics.
 
I disagree with this. The situation we are faced with today is radically different from anything we have faced historically - even post feminism. Just look back at the 80's. Bigler (1989) found that "85% of American teens have had a boyfriend or girlfriend." And even then the situation was still good for late bloomers. About 94% of adults ended up losing their virginity to a partner at some point. We as a species have never had a situation where 1/3 to 1/2 of all adult men are completely cut off from all sex. (The caveat being that a majority of men in antiquity died before being able to pass on their genes due to violence).



My take will be controversial here, but I don't think that feminism or the sexual revolution are the main issue. As stated above, even in the 1980's things for the average man were still pretty good - and we were already 20 years deep into radical feminism. Despite the scribblings of radfems, 1980's women were still limited in their sexual partners by their physical location and social circle. Women couldn't just fuck everyone in their social circle and continue to have a good reputation. What really allowed the current situation to unroll is the invention of online dating apps like Tinder. Now women can safely over optimize their hypergamy with little to no social consequences. They aren't even constricted by their physical location anymore. Now any women with zero social skills can hop on 1,001 dicks with little to no effort or consequences. This was never possible before.



This is where you I think you are wrong. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. I think the greatest evidence for this is how even the radical Islamic fundamentalists are facing internal resistance from their attempts to turn back the clock. Take Afghanistan for example. Afghani teenagers grew up with 20 years of Instagram and globohomo, and suddenly some medieval goat herders showed up trying to turn the clock back 1400 years. It has not been going well, and some concessions have had to be made along the way. Look up AlphaMaleLifestyle. He's a Muslim redpiller, but he talks about the situation going on right now in the Muslim world. They are facing their own sexual revolution, and the mullahs have for the most part been powerless to really stop it. We can't stop technology.



I agree. I don't think there is a conventional solution at all for us. We are locked in a zero sum game of genetic maximization where either women win and men lose, or men win and women lose. The elephant in the room is female hypergamy. It just does not function in modern civilization. While this sexual strategy worked well in villages when there were like 10 or so guys, in our modern interconnected world women are faced with an endless list of suitors, and research has shown that too many choices impair our ability as humans to make rational decisions. We end up defaulting to none - as can be seen by the majority of women between 18 and 30 being childless.

Unless we do something to fix this problem, our reproductive trap will see us go the way of the lion. We need to address the problem of hypergamy at the genetic level.

Feminism is intertwined with the industrial revolution. Once machine power can replace manpower, men become increasingly worthless, with fewer and fewer men needed to keep things running. Without consumerism to hypnotise women, men would find it even harder to betabuxx. Tinder and smartphones made life harder for men, but so did every technology before it, like web 2.0, the internet, television, radio, cheap cars, trains, telegrams, phones, postal services, ships, chariots, roads, cities, etc. Even the agricultural revoultion made it harder. I think the only solution is either anarcho-primitivism or Marxism Rodgerism
 
The only solution is never being born in the first place
 

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