It's Over There is no escape

[edger0uter]

There is no escape

I have seen people say that fat people cannot be considered incels because they might mog if they lost weight. Because of that and because I was fat, a while ago I decided to make a post describing my situation to see whether I myself can be considered an incel. As expected, a lot of you guys told me that I have unused potential and that I could possibly even escape the black pill, forget about this forum, and go on to live a happy life.

Your comments "motivated" me to try leaving this forum, to try leanmaxxing, and to try improving myself. I started counting calories and I even tried getting professional help for my mental health. I am currently even taking medicine that is supposed to help me become less miserable. I have tried getting advice from people who have been going to the gym religiously, I have tried reading lots of self-improvement books and listening to audiobooks. Did any of that help? As you might have guessed by the title, NO.

I am doomed for eternity
I have tried everything. Despite my efforts, any amount of success that I have experienced while trying to better myself was quickly destroyed, by no other than myself. Every single time I've tried to do something good for myself I relapsed and went back to bad habits.

If I was a Chad and had a girlfriend who supports me and cooks for me and whatnot, I doubt that I would have any difficulties with losing weight. I doubt that I would have difficulties doing anything good for me at all. I would probably never watch porn again, because I can have the real deal. I ain't a fucking Chad though so food, porn, and so on are my only option. I don't have anything else to cope with.

My birth was an error

I hate existing as myself. I wish I was someone else. I wish I was normal. I wish foids would treat me like a human being, I wish I could experience genuine love. To whoever is living my dream with their happy little relationship and their low body fat percentage FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU!

Every single day, I feel like I am losing my mind a little bit more. I am trapped in my own head. My thoughts keep getting worse and worse. I honestly would prefer it if I didn't exist at all.

 

[decembrist_kirillov]

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[Luzifer]

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[Osman279]

TLDR

 

[Animecel2D]

But did you lose weight tho

 

[Murder Mario]

OP is a fatass

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

There is no escape

I have seen people say that fat people cannot be considered incels because they might mog if they lost weight. Because of that and because I was fat, a while ago I decided to make a post describing my situation to see whether I myself can be considered an incel. As expected, a lot of you guys told me that I have unused potential and that I could possibly even escape the black pill, forget about this forum, and go on to live a happy life.

Your comments "motivated" me to try leaving this forum, to try leanmaxxing, and to try improving myself. I started counting calories and I even tried getting professional help for my mental health. I am currently even taking medicine that is supposed to help me become less miserable. I have tried getting advice from people who have been going to the gym religiously, I have tried reading lots of self-improvement books and listening to audiobooks. Did any of that help? As you might have guessed by the title, NO.

I am doomed for eternity
I have tried everything. Despite my efforts, any amount of success that I have experienced while trying to better myself was quickly destroyed, by no other than myself. Every single time I've tried to do something good for myself I relapsed and went back to bad habits.

If I was a Chad and had a girlfriend who supports me and cooks for me and whatnot, I doubt that I would have any difficulties with losing weight. I doubt that I would have difficulties doing anything good for me at all. I would probably never watch porn again, because I can have the real deal. I ain't a fucking Chad though so food, porn, and so on are my only option. I don't have anything else to cope with.

My birth was an error

I hate existing as myself. I wish I was someone else. I wish I was normal. I wish foids would treat me like a human being, I wish I could experience genuine love. To whoever is living my dream with their happy little relationship and their low body fat percentage FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU!

Every single day, I feel like I am losing my mind a little bit more. I am trapped in my own head. My thoughts keep getting worse and worse. I honestly would prefer it if I didn't exist at all.

You have to make sustainable dietary choices. Try measuring your caloric intake, what is your weight at now?

 

[edger0uter]

You have to make sustainable dietary choices. Try measuring your caloric intake, what is your weight at now?

There is nothing I haven't tried, except surgerymaxxing. For me, that is kind of cheating though. I have already tried counting my calories several times and it worked... until it didn't.

When food is one of your only copes and you start eating less, that will just lead to you wanting to eat more.

I am currently at 131kg at 180cm.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Weight is highly heritable, the weight of adopted children and their new parents/ siblings has close to 0 correlation, despite eating in the same house and being served the same food.
Sibling vs twin correlation gives an estimate of 70% heritable.
If you want to read more about this, the book "Blueprint" has a chapter early on where some of this is mentioned in detail, and there are probably forums for overweight people where someone knows of a source that focuses purely on the genetics of weight.

You might with enough effort manage to change your weight temporarily, but you will be fighting the whole time against a force that is trying to pull you back to w/e weight-level your body is innately calibrated to.
Well, I never bothered to look into the details of how genes lead to weight, but as a mental model I think this works well enough.

The message has not yet reached main stream acceptance, so people in general will see your weight as purely your fault. But maybe it helps to know that it most certainly isn't your lack of trying or weak character that is the problem and that others would likely be just as fat as you had they had your genetics to start with.
Us thin people didn't earn it, and you didn't deserve to be disadvantaged like this either.

Surgery is probably the way to go in the long run

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

There is nothing I haven't tried, except surgerymaxxing. For me, that is kind of cheating though. I have already tried counting my calories several times and it worked... until it didn't.

When food is one of your only copes and you start eating less, that will just lead to you wanting to eat more.

I am currently at 131kg at 180cm.

you weigh less than me and I’m losing weight. What kind of foods do you eat?

 

[edger0uter]

Weight is highly heritable, the weight of adopted children and their new parents/ siblings has close to 0 correlation, despite eating in the same house and being served the same food.
Sibling vs twin correlation gives an estimate of 70% heritable.
If you want to read more about this, the book "Blueprint" has a chapter early on where some of this is mentioned in detail, and there are probably forums for overweight people where someone knows of a source that focuses purely on the genetics of weight.

You might with enough effort manage to change your weight temporarily, but you will be fighting the whole time against a force that is trying to pull you back to w/e weight-level your body is innately calibrated to.
Well, I never bothered to look into the details of how genes lead to weight, but as a mental model I think this works well enough.

The message has not yet reached main stream acceptance, so people in general will see your weight as purely your fault. But maybe it helps to know that it most certainly isn't your lack of trying or weak character that is the problem and that others would likely be just as fat as you had they had your genetics to start with.
Us thin people didn't earn it, and you didn't deserve to be disadvantaged like this either.

Surgery is probably the way to go in the long run

The fact that I have to undergo surgery just for a chance to succeed at life is just brutal...

 

[edger0uter]

you weigh less than me and I’m losing weight. What kind of foods do you eat?

Unhealthy shit, basically. I eat whatever I think is tasty. I do not pay attention to whether it is healthy or not.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Unhealthy shit, basically. I eat whatever I think is tasty. I do not pay attention to whether it is healthy or not.

1) what kind of stuff do you binge on?
2) do you live alone?
3) is there a kind of food you eat that makes you really full in meals?

 

[IceStorm]

OP is a fatass

 

[edger0uter]

But did you lose weight tho

No

 

[edger0uter]

OP is a fatass

Thanks for clarifying

 

[Murder Mario]

There is nothing I haven't tried, except surgerymaxxing. For me, that is kind of cheating though. I have already tried counting my calories several times and it worked... until it didn't.

When food is one of your only copes and you start eating less, that will just lead to you wanting to eat more.

I am currently at 131kg at 180cm.

Do you know what MSG is?

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

The fact that I have to undergo surgery just for a chance to succeed at life is just brutal...

And yet still better than the people who struggle with things for which no surgery exists. life sucks

 

[Animecel2D]

No

Then how do you know losing weight isn’t going to help

 

[edger0uter]

1) what kind of stuff do you binge on?
2) do you live alone?
3) is there a kind of food you eat that makes you really full in meals?

1) Stuff like chips, M&Ms, donuts, McDonalds, pizza, chicken sandwiches, energy drinks,... The stereotypical fat guy shit
2) No, parents
3) I guess whenever I buy 30€ worth of McDonalds I feel full to the point where I feel shitty about eating the food(?)

I kinda don't get why you're asking those questions. As if there is anything that I don't know of that could help me.

 

[edger0uter]

Then how do you know losing weight isn’t going to help

It might. I can't though. Food is one of the few copes I have. Have you even read my post? I've tried losing weight so many times but I have never succeeded.

 

[edger0uter]

Do you know what MSG is?

Isn't that some powder Asians use to make shit tastier?

 

[Animecel2D]

It might. I can't though. Food is one of the few copes I have. Have you even read my post? I've tried losing weight so many times but I have never succeeded.

So you’re addicted ?

 

[edger0uter]

So you’re addicted ?

I guess so.

 

[Animecel2D]

I guess so.

You ever been skinny ?

 

[edger0uter]

You ever been skinny ?

No. In fact I was the fat guy my whole life

 

[Psychcel]

Try meds before surgery. Did you get checked out for diabetes? Maybe you can get some Ozempic. Obesity has been considered a treatable disease by the medical community for a while now, so your primary care physician would be obligated to help you lose weight. You could get a dietician, weight loss counseling, etc. Food is like a drug to fat people, so it's unsurprising that you've failed multiple times trying on your own. Don't beat yourself up too much - think of it like trying to quit smoking, many people fail dozens of times trying on their own.

 

[Murder Mario]

Isn't that some powder Asians use to make shit tastier?

On the right track. However you don’t know how it spikes your insulin and how it is addictive.

 

[edger0uter]

Try meds before surgery. Did you get checked out for diabetes? Maybe you can get some Ozempic. Obesity has been considered a treatable disease by the medical community for a while now, so your primary care physician would be obligated to help you lose weight. You could get a dietician, weight loss counseling, etc. Food is like a drug to fat people, so it's unsurprising that you've failed multiple times trying on your own. Don't beat yourself up too much - think of it like trying to quit smoking, many people fail dozens of times trying on their own.

I did not get checked for diabetes. I think I would notice it somehow if I had it, wouldn't I?

I have not actually tried to get a dietician and weight loss counseling yet. I am already seeing a psychiatrist though.

 

[turbosperg]

When food is one of your only copes

This is your error. You should rotate copes.

Restrict your food intake and so sports instead.

 

[decembrist_kirillov]

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[edger0uter]

This is your error. You should rotate copes.

Restrict your food intake and so sports instead.

I asked a guy who goes to the gym a lot if he would still go if he did not have any fun working out. He said he wouldn't. What makes you think that I have the discipline to do sports?

 

[Psychcel]

I did not get checked for diabetes. I think I would notice it somehow if I had it, wouldn't I?

I have not actually tried to get a dietician and weight loss counseling yet. I am already seeing a psychiatrist though.

Nah man, you can't tell if you have diabetes until the symptoms are severe and you are well along in the disease (e.g., kidney damage). I would seriously get checked out. Diabetes medication, not even just Ozempic, helps you lose weight. Talk to your psychiatrist (not a psychologist) - they are MDs and should be able to get you a referral if they aren't shit. Also follow up with a primary care physician. They are going to be your main contact in the process of losing weight (blood work, med refills, etc.). Keep seeing your psychiatrist for the mental shit - diabetes, obesity and depression have very high comorbidity rates. Good luck brocel and let me know if you have any further questions.

 

[edger0uter]

Nah man, you can't tell if you have diabetes until the symptoms are severe and you are well along in the disease (e.g., kidney damage). I would seriously get checked out. Diabetes medication, not even just Ozempic, helps you lose weight. Talk to your psychiatrist (not a psychologist) - they are MDs and should be able to get you a referral if they aren't shit. Also follow up with a primary care physician. They are going to be your main contact in the process of losing weight (blood work, med refills, etc.). Keep seeing your psychiatrist for the mental shit - diabetes, obesity and depression have very high comorbidity rates. Good luck brocel and let me know if you have any further questions.

Thanks, I'll let you know. I'll mention the things you said on my next visit. Should be soon, they wanna check if the meds I am currently taking are doing shit

 

[turbosperg]

What makes you think that I have the discipline to do sports?

Your lack of discipline is because your neurons are getting bombarded with dopamine 24/7 from porn, junk food, vidya, etc.

This is also why you must rotate copes --- so you don't develop anhedonia.

 

[edger0uter]

Your lack of discipline is because your neurons are getting bombarded with dopamine 24/7 from porn, junk food, vidya, etc.

This is also why you must rotate copes --- so you don't develop anhedonia.

I actually have lost the ability to enjoy vidya. Whenever I try, they feel like a chore at some point. Even being on this forum, reading the posts feels like a chore after a while. I have lost any bit of motivation I have in life.

 

[der_komische]

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[Copexodius Maximus]

1) Stuff like chips, M&Ms, donuts, McDonalds, pizza, chicken sandwiches, energy drinks,... The stereotypical fat guy shit
2) No, parents
3) I guess whenever I buy 30€ worth of McDonalds I feel full to the point where I feel shitty about eating the food(?)

I kinda don't get why you're asking those questions. As if there is anything that I don't know of that could help me.

Is all that stuff food you buy from outside? Or is it home stored stuff or made at home?

I’m asking because what foods people usually binge on is dependent on the individual, and you can work around that and make a way to lose weight using your usual cravings or seeing habits that fail you.

 

[edger0uter]

Is all that stuff food you buy from outside? Or is it home stored stuff or made at home?

I’m asking because what foods people usually binge on is dependent on the individual, and you can work around that and make a way to lose weight using your usual cravings or seeing habits that fail you.

I buy them from outside

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

I buy them from outside

You will probably never lose weight like that.

 

[Profligate]

It's hard to stay motivated when you have nobody to try for I get that. You should try finding different copes. Maybe learn how to cook? That way you can start making healthy but tasty homemade meals that will keep you satiated for longer unlike all the junk food that you buy

 

[edger0uter]

It's hard to stay motivated when you have nobody to try for I get that. You should try finding different copes. Maybe learn how to cook? That way you can start making healthy but tasty homemade meals that will keep you satiated for longer unlike all the junk food that you buy

When even vidya feel like chores after a short time of playing, I don't know how you expect me to have the energy to cook.

 

[edger0uter]

You will probably never lose weight like that.

I guess that is just my fate.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

I guess that is just my fate.

How about making food at home?

 

[Friezacel]

But did you lose weight tho

 

[TheGrayWolf]

But did you lose weight tho

Holy crap, do you hold the record for most posts?

 

[Trec]

But did you lose weight tho

He will never lose the weight. He seems like someone who just blames his bad habits on the people around him