Discussion The world doesn't owe us anything, BUT...

[KingOfRome]

...we don't owe them anything, either.

If we give to the world and the world doesn't give back, why would we keep giving? Why are normies so lazy and entitled?

 

[Deleted member 18912]

Shut up inkel.
Be an obedient peasant and serve the status quo.

> Soy drips.

 

[Deleted member 7448]

The government forces you through the threat of violence to pay your taxes. As long as you do that and thus are a slave to the system, there's nothing else to it. Nobody expects shit from you or wants shit from you other than your quiet slavery to the system. Hell, they'd prefer if people like us didn't exist at all.

Society doesn't think you owe it something. Society takes it by force. And in this day and age, there's no alternative to it. Can't even go in the woods and try surviving there in solitude, that option is nigh impossible these days.

Obviously, for normal people, there's a social contract in place. They get robbed blind by society and in exchange they get various things, mainly a family - wife and kids, and ensuring they survive and prosper. For us it's pretty much just being robbed blind till we die.

 

[ihaveno1]

genetics determine everything ur owed

 

[Akkadian]

Shut up inkel.
Be an obedient peasant and serve the status quo.

> Soy drips.

> estrogen level rises

 

[Deleted member 18912]

> estrogen level rises

 

[PPEcel]

...we don't owe them anything, either.

If we give to the world and the world doesn't give back, why would we keep giving? Why are normies so lazy and entitled?

Right. That's why we are coerced to give a portion of our earnings to the state. No one pays their taxes out of charity.

No one owes anyone else anything.

Everyone was handed a set of cards at birth -- your location, your family's socioeconomic status, your attractiveness, your health -- which determine the trajectory of your life. Most people play those cards to the best of their ability.

We drew pretty shitty cards.

 

[KingOfRome]

The government forces you through the threat of violence to pay your taxes. As long as you do that and thus are a slave to the system, there's nothing else to it. Nobody expects shit from you or wants shit from you other than your quiet slavery to the system. Hell, they'd prefer if people like us didn't exist at all.

Society doesn't think you owe it something. Society takes it by force. And in this day and age, there's no alternative to it. Can't even go in the woods and try surviving there in solitude, that option is nigh impossible these days.

Obviously, for normal people, there's a social contract in place. They get robbed blind by society and in exchange they get various things, mainly a family - wife and kids, and ensuring they survive and prosper. For us it's pretty much just being robbed blind till we die.

I get that most incels don't really have a choice but to put in some effort, but I don't see why you wouldn't put in the bare minimum as an incel, including none at all if circumstance allows it.

 

[Slav_weebcel]

I get that most incels don't really have a choice but to put in some effort, but I don't see why you wouldn't put in the bare minimum as an incel, including none at all if circumstance allows it.

That's a MGTOW idea just to work enough to survive and cope,not giving females anything,not having more working hours than you feel like,not giving any kind of charity,not helping people if something happens to them on street.and etc.It is believed that if every male just provides for itself and doesn't give to femoids more than they deserve (its ok to moderately provide for them if they give you pussy/have kids with you,if no-you give them nothing),then eventually this society of consumption would fall.

But beta orbiters can't survive without muh giving thousands of dollars to some whores on twitch or muh fighting for every random foid on street until you get beaten so severe you are disabled.

 

[KingOfRome]

But beta orbiters can't survive without muh giving thousands of dollars to some whores on twitch or muh fighting for every random foid on street until you get beaten so severe you are disabled.

Those same beta orbiters also look at us and get mad because we're not doing the same thing as them, telling us the world doesn't owe us anything as if we didn't already know, not realizing that the world genuinely does not care what we contribute to a society that hates us since we're all cosmic dust in the end.

 

[Deleted member 19858]

Can't even go in the woods and try surviving there in solitude, that option is nigh impossible these days.

Can you elab on this? My dream is living in solitude far away in some cabin in the woods but I feel like I'm only deceiving myself into that wishful thinking.

 

[wizardcel]

Normies went through revolutions to demand rights. They murdered kings and toppled governments to get resources, but suddently we're not entitled to anything!?

 

[Deleted member 7448]

Can you elab on this? My dream is living in solitude far away in some cabin in the woods but I feel like I'm only deceiving myself into that wishful thinking.

Well, ok, let's say hypothetically you go the extreme route and just go live in the woods, totally cutting ties off with society, only taking a few tools with the money you've saved up.

This sounds great, assuming you have the necessary skills, but we'll also assume you took the time to learn all that's needed before you made the move.

There are problems with this though. While a few hundred years ago, you could make such a move with relative ease, nowadays there's simply less options. First of all, if you live in Europe for example, you'd have to move thousands of miles away to find a place where you could do this.

Secondly, the quality of places where you could live in solitude is pretty bad nowadays. All of the areas that are great for human habitation are already occupied by civilization. All that's really left are places that are either straight up unsuitable for living, or just less optimal than places you would've found in the past.

So even if you moved into the wilderness, all you'd find are places that aren't really optimal for living. Either food problems, terrain problems, temperature problems etc... Maybe Chernobyl could work if you don't mind the potential problems to your health, but I read that it's not as dangerous as people believe.

 

[Player]

The world ows me eternal youth at this point.

 

[KingOfRome]

Normies went through revolutions to demand rights. They murdered kings and toppled governments to get resources, but suddently we're not entitled to anything!?

I mean, it obviously could be better, but it could also be much worse. We get to snicker at the butthurt low-tier normies who'd like to force us into labor camps and gas chambers but can't because they're just as impotent as we are.

 

[Deleted member 19858]

Well, ok, let's say hypothetically you go the extreme route and just go live in the woods, totally cutting ties off with society, only taking a few tools with the money you've saved up.

This sounds great, assuming you have the necessary skills, but we'll also assume you took the time to learn all that's needed before you made the move.

There are problems with this though. While a few hundred years ago, you could make such a move with relative ease, nowadays there's simply less options. First of all, if you live in Europe for example, you'd have to move thousands of miles away to find a place where you could do this.

Secondly, the quality of places where you could live in solitude is pretty bad nowadays. All of the areas that are great for human habitation are already occupied by civilization. All that's really left are places that are either straight up unsuitable for living, or just less optimal than places you would've found in the past.

So even if you moved into the wilderness, all you'd find are places that aren't really optimal for living. Either food problems, terrain problems, temperature problems etc... Maybe Chernobyl could work if you don't mind the potential problems to your health, but I read that it's not as dangerous as people believe.

Guess I'll have to scratch that idea. It sounds like you'll have to be planning and setting this all up for A LOT of years, really can't be bothered with the process

 

[Nothingness]

I own nothing to them. I hope they will die.

 

[Deleted member 7448]

Guess I'll have to scratch that idea. It sounds like you'll have to be planning and setting this all up for A LOT of years, really can't be bothered with the process

I'm not saying it can't be done. If a person has the willpower for it, they can do it. But it's exactly as you said, it will take years of planning, you can't just do this willy nilly.

 

[Slav_weebcel]

Those same beta orbiters also look at us and get mad because we're not doing the same thing as them, telling us the world doesn't owe us anything as if we didn't already know, not realizing that the world genuinely does not care what we contribute to a society that hates us since we're all cosmic dust in the end.

Imagine trying to act like a man in patriarchy while you are a slave in matriarchy,while you have 0 rights to protect yourself or anyone else,your house and your money can be take away if your wife thinks that you "don't give her enough attention",you have to beg for pussy for your whole life and etc
A fighter dog barking at someone looks 100 times more serious than a cuck trying to attack someone,because at least dog doesn't have brains to realize that he is on a leash and can be shot at any second if he misbehaves,while cucks are human dogs with women holding them on a leash and government holding a gun on their head.

 

[Gymcelled]

Guess I'll have to scratch that idea. It sounds like you'll have to be planning and setting this all up for A LOT of years, really can't be bothered with the process

You can go live In a cold ass place in russia or alaska if you have a decent amount of money saved up. You'll only have to go to the nearest town for some supplies every now and then.

 

[Neggr]

genetics determine everything ur owed

high iq

 

[needsolution]

I own nothing to them. I hope they will die.