Discussion The Wall vs. The Agepill --Which is more brutal?

[ThirdWorldcel]

Redpill cope and memes aside, both men and women considerably decline in terms of looks when they hit their 30s. No matter how much statusmaxxed or moneymaxxed you're making, the most attractive 18 year old version of you mogs the most attractive 35 year old version of you.

 

[Monk of Failure]

Agepill is more brutal. The wall is just a redpill cope.

 

[Words2_live_bye]

Wall is a cope. "Wall" is just what you personally don't find attractive. There's still thousands if not millions of men willing to date, marry and fuck a woman even once she's hit "The wall"

 

[theson]

Redpill cope and memes aside, both men and women considerably decline in terms of looks when they hit their 30s. No matter how much statusmaxxed or moneymaxxed you're making, the most attractive 18 year old version mogs the most attractive 35 year old version of you.

The wall doesn't exist. A woman has to actively try very hard to be alone. The agepill is more brutal by far because you need to realize that after 25 it's absolutely over without a shadow of a doubt. If by then you haven't bloomed, you're doomed.

 

[Sparrow's Song]

There is no female Gilgamesh.

 

[mylifeistrash]

The wall doesn't exist. A woman has to actively try very hard to be alone. The agepill is more brutal by far because you need to realize that after 25 it's absolutely over without a shadow of a doubt. If by then you haven't bloomed, you're doomed.

it's nearly impossible for a woman to not be attractive to most men

 

[Hell]

Well let's see...

Wall:
>Woman lives it up on the cock carousel until she's around 30 and has had her 2nd kid and 15th abortion
>Now her body with saggy tits, battered vagina, and tattooed skin can't compete with a fresh 17 year old
>Still has millions of men jumping over one another for the chance to pay for her dinner

Agepill:
>Have been abused, neglected, and rejected your entire life
>Now you're around 30 and the ridiculous hope that comes with youth has evaporated
>You know your life will never improve nor can you maintain the current level of suffering, it can only go downhill from here

What do you think?

 

[Deleted member 4159]

Agepill is more brutal. The wall is just a redpill cope.

Keep in mind that women can continue to hide under fakeup and hair dye/extensions.

 

[Saudade]

Wall is a cope. "Wall" is just what you personally don't find attractive. There's still thousands if not millions of men willing to date, marry and fuck a woman even once she's hit "The wall"

It is some form of a cope but just think about it from a wider spectrum though, the wall has serious psychological effects on foids, to be sentenced to life where you don't get Chad attention anymore, when your youth is faded, when you cant emotionally tie to anyone, when your fertility is going to shit, where you have to choose between marrying a betabuxx or becoming a cool wine aunt, etc, that fate is worse to them than being sent to do hard labor in gulag.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

It is some form of a cope but just think about it from a wider spectrum though, the wall has serious psychological effects on foids, to be sentenced to life where you don't get Chad attention anymore, when your youth is faded, when you cant emotionally tie to anyone, when your fertility is going to shit, where you have to choose between marrying a betabuxx or becoming a cool wine aunt, etc, that fate is worse to them than being sent to do hard labor in gulag.

Is it better or worse compared to the agepill though?

 

[Bangkok or bust]

women who hit the wall at 35-40 will still have rich, 45-50+yo men vying for them, as long as such women aren't severe wall hitters due to excess weight gain - i.e. they keep slim or normal weight bodies. Even slim 45yo foids will have higher SMV than a Chadlite in his prime (28). 50yo men who had children when younger don't care if a 40yo foid has kids of her own also. They are not with her to get her pregant, she has done that deed of passing on her genes and so has he.

Its childless men in their 40's that want families that are fucked. Virtually all women in your age group are on rotten egg ground, and its just not natural for you to find them attractive or go for them. Such 40-something men go for younger foids in their 30's and late 20's, but you can't compete with a 30yo Chad fpr 30-soemthing women as a 43yo average guy. Guys SMV peaks at around 29-35 and plummets when he enters his 40's. This is why suicide in the UK is highest in men 40-45 age group; your totally desolate, alone, in a desert not to be rescued. I'm 42 and its certainly severely taxing on your mental health even more so than being alone at 25/30.

Men become invisible at 39 - now they know how women feel

A new study suggests that men become invisible to younger women as they approach 40. Now they know how females feel, says Bibi Lynch

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Saudade]

@ThirdWorldcel
Agepill and wall are same to me tbh. Many of us are youngcels who can still improve or possibly ascend, men also have a bigger window, aging is not that harsh to men compared to foids, foids these days hit wall in late 20s with their careless lifestyle or mid 30s if they take care of themselves, men hit it in mid 30s and they can prolong it to mid 40s if they take care of themselves.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

I agree on everything you said, except:

Guys SMV peaks at around 29-35 and plummets when he enters his 40's.

For most men, it doesn't. Becomes much easier to gain weight, wrinkles start to appear, hairloss starts to become significant, a slight but still noticeable drop in testosterone levels, etc. Teens and twenties are when your SMV is the highest.

 

[Saudade]

women who hit the wall at 35-40 will still have rich, 45-50+yo men vying for them, as long as such women aren't severe wall hitters due to excess weight gain - i.e. they keep slim or normal weight bodies. Even slim 45yo foids will have higher SMV than a Chadlite in his prime (28). 50yo men who had children when younger don't care if a 40yo foid has kids of her own also. They are not with her to get her pregant, she has done that deed of passing on her genes and so has he.

Its childless men in their 40's that want families that are fucked. Virtually all women in your age group are on rotten egg ground, and its just not natural for you to find them attractive or go for them. Such 40-something men go for younger foids in their 30's and late 20's, but you can't compete with a 30yo Chad fpr 30-soemthing women as a 43yo average guy. Guys SMV peaks at around 29-35 and plummets when he enters his 40's. This is why suicide in the UK is highest in men 40-45 age group; your totally desolate, alone, in a desert not to be rescued. I'm 42 and its certainly severely taxing on your mental health even more so than being alone at 25/30.

Men become invisible at 39 - now they know how women feel

A new study suggests that men become invisible to younger women as they approach 40. Now they know how females feel, says Bibi Lynch

www.telegraph.co.uk

42? Damn man, huge respect for you, you had to endure this shitty world as twice as me.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

@ThirdWorldcel
Agepill and wall are same to me tbh. Many of us are youngcels who can still improve or possibly ascend, men also have a bigger window, aging is not that harsh to men compared to foids, foids these days hit wall in late 20s with their careless lifestyle or mid 30s if they take care of themselves, men hit it in mid 30s and they can prolong it to mid 40s if they take care of themselves.

Yeah, just stay as a kissless virgin in your teens and twenties bro, you'll become much more attractive in your mid-30s.

Sorry, but biology doesn't respald the claim that men become more sexually attractive in their 30s.

 

[LastGerman]

Agepill:
>Have been abused, neglected, and rejected your entire life
>Now you're around 30 and the ridiculous hope that comes with youth has evaporated
>You know your life will never improve nor can you maintain the current level of suffering, it can only go downhill from here

I still cannot comprehend it.

By the way, the term ''wall'' actually describe more the declination of fertility itself. Females should not get children at age 33. But most likely this happens. At a younger age they are fucking around and then at age 30+ the bring handicapped life to this world with a rotten womb.

 

[Saudade]

Yeah, just stay as a kissless virgin in your teens and twenties bro, you'll become much more attractive in your mid-30s.

Sorry, but biology doesn't respald the claim that men become more sexually attractive in their 30s.

I didnt say that, i just said at what age men and women hit wall, of course the older you are it gets shittier, when i mean for youngcels i mean teens and those in twenties who still have a chance to salvage their lives, like i said wall and agepill is a same thing to me.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

I didnt say that, i just said at what age men and women hit wall, of course the older you are it gets shittier, when i mean for youngcels i mean teens and those in twenties who still have a chance to salvage their lives, like i said wall and agepill is a same thing to me.

LOL, you literally said:

aging is not that harsh to men compared to foids

 

[Saudade]

LOL, you literally said:

What i meant is that women have a smaller window of youth. The wall hits female earlier than a man, when i say wall i mean things like aging, not lifemogging.

 

[MrIncelSaySo2000]

There's no wall or age pill for women their smv increases in fact, especially if they haven't gone completely fat by the time they've turned 35 years old.

For a male, on the other hand the age pill is brutally blackpilling to witness. When I see pictures of my uncles and my father when they were young compared to them now in their old age, their decline is utterly scary.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

What i meant is that women have a smaller window of youth. The wall hits female earlier than a man, when i say wall i mean things like aging, not lifemogging.

Men don't stay younger than women, that's Rollo Tomassi/Roosh cope.

 

[vic624]

Men don't stay younger than women, that's Rollo Tomassi/Roosh cope.

You're ignoring their reproductive function. No sane man will want to have kids with a woman older than 35 unless she's Puerto Rican or something. Even if men don't want to consciously have children, the woman's hormonal profile changes, she smells different. She's simply is less valuable in physical terms. Additionally, contemplating "if they stay thin" is a just a mental exercise since 2/3rds in Western countries are overweight by age 30.

For most men, it doesn't. Becomes much easier to gain weight, wrinkles start to appear, hairloss starts to become significant, a slight but still noticeable drop in testosterone levels, etc. Teens and twenties are when your SMV is the highest.

That's only true of college athletes, who are small share of the small share of people who even go to college. Men peak when they have a mix of looks AND ability to exploit any advantage like JBW with assets, which is usually most possible in their late 20s.

Yes, the trust fund Chad on the lacrosse team at a big state school peaks around 20, but that's hardly a broad example.

 

[Player]

Agepill is more brutal. The wall is just a redpill cope.

 

[Glokta]

Agepill by far, simply on the virtue it's actually real. When women hit the wall, they simply need to adjust their standards and they are good to go to suck and fuck once again. There's always a beta provider waiting for her somewhere. All she need to do to succeed, is to lower her standards and find him, and he will take care of her, and try to fix the explosive mess that is the life of a slut. No one is waiting for you or me.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

You're ignoring their reproductive function. No sane man will want to have kids with a woman older than 35 unless she's Puerto Rican or something. Even if men don't want to consciously have children, the woman's hormonal profile changes, she smells different. She's simply is less valuable in physical terms. Additionally, contemplating "if they stay thin" is a just a mental exercise since 2/3rds in Western countries are overweight by age 30.



That's only true of college athletes, who are small share of the small share of people who even go to college. Men peak when they have a mix of looks AND ability to exploit any advantage like JBW with assets, which is usually most possible in their late 20s.

Yes, the trust fund Chad on the lacrosse team at a big state school peaks around 20, but that's hardly a broad example.

The thing is, the beauty-reproductive side of things has a lot less significance in an era wherein so many women have deliberately opted out of reproducing. With that reproductive factor ever less relevant, sex is now a purely recreational activity in which simple vagina ownership automatically bestows massive SMV on all women, however past-prime.

You literally have girls in their late teens - early twenties (peak years in ferltility) aborting 3x times more than an Aztec priest doing the proper thing with human sacrifices.

Athletes tend to have a higher SMV than non-athletes at any age, if the average athlete peaks in his 20s then the average man peaks in his teens, not a good argument by far.

 

[vic624]

Athletes tend to have a higher SMV than non-athletes at any age, if the average athlete peaks in his 20s then the average men peaks in his teens, not a good argument by far.

The point was just that you're using looks as interchangeable with SMV which seems narrow sighted. If a college athlete was a Chad at Stanford in his early 20s, unless his looks have gone to shit, he's going to have higher value in his late 20s as a junior mid-executive or whatever with an office in Silicon Valley plus his Chadian looks.
Likewise will be true for most men. Mental development isn't even done until 25 IIRC. The caveat is that as he's older he's no longer a peak male in an environment of attractive females, but also that he has a broader range of women in their 20s who often put a hard limit on not dating men younger than them.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

The point was just that you're using looks as interchangeable with SMV which seems narrow sighted.

Looks are the most important factor to determine SMV, acknowledging this is basically pre-school blackpill.

If a college athlete was a Chad at Stanford in his early 20s, unless his looks have gone to shit, he's going to have higher value in his late 20s as a junior mid-executive or whatever with an office in Silicon Valley plus his Chadian looks.

I never claimed that a 22 year old Chad has significantly much more SMV than a 28 year old Chad. I clearly stated that the notorious decrease in terms of SMV happens once people reach their 30s.

You also claimed that the average (non-Chad) men peaks in his late 20s while the college athlete (High-tier normie - Chadlite - Chad) peaks in his early 20s, so you clearly made an error there.

At first you compared a normie to a Chad yet later you compared a Chad in his early 20s to a Chad in his late 20s.

 

[vic624]

At first you compared a normie to a Chad yet later you compared a Chad in his early 20s to a Chad in his late 20s.

Just considering numbers, even normie men are in a much better statistical situation in the late-20s compared to their early-20s for the simple fact that women have preference for men older than them.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-the-average-age-difference-in-a-couple/

There's a "sweet spot" at some point in the late 20s for all men that is a confluence of their peak statistical pool of potential females and the point before his looks fade. A high-tier normie at 29 will have better breadth of ages of women who'd be interested in him than younger men can even legally consider.

Also, I wasn't clear on the "characters." I mentioned the younger peak Chad going to a state school but what I was trying to convey was a kind of slacker Chad who slays in college as an athlete and part of a frat. That guy peaks early because he is in a looks only environment. As amazing as the college experience is for the Stanford/career-driven Chad, he's still going to have more value later in life (but before looks fade) when he's in the yuppie role with Chad looks.

 

[incel20]

the wall is bullshit. most 50+ year old women have more value than the average 20 year old man. serious.

no women are jumping out of their pants to fuck the average 20 year old man these days. 50 year old women are still desirable to a population that is large enough to be considered relevant.

watch the documentaries on morbidly obese women; nearly all of them have a husband and he's in significantly better shape. the fact that an obese woman can get married and have children is proof as to how low the value is for the average man.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

Likewise will be true for most men. Mental development isn't even done until 25 IIRC. The caveat is that as he's older he's no longer a peak male in an environment of attractive females, but also that he has a broader range of women in their 20s who often put a hard limit on not dating men younger than them.

Sexual development is done once puberty is finished, that's what matters. Mental maturity rarely plays a big factor at determining SMV, just like "personality" and "game" given this current sexual marketplace have become reduced to terciary complements that create very little to no variation, they're not an absolute requirement like appearance is.

Just considering numbers, even normie men are in a much better statistical situation in the late-20s compared to their early-20s for the simple fact that women have preference for men older than them.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-the-average-age-difference-in-a-couple/

There's a "sweet spot" at some point in the late 20s for all men that is a confluence of their peak statistical pool of potential females and the point before his looks fade. A high-tier normie at 29 will have better breadth of ages of women who'd be interested in him than younger men can even legally consider.

Also, I wasn't clear on the "characters." I mentioned the younger peak Chad going to a state school but what I was trying to convey was a kind of slacker Chad who slays in college as an athlete and part of a frat. That guy peaks early because he is in a looks only environment. As amazing as the college experience is for the Stanford/career-driven Chad, he's still going to have more value later in life (but before looks fade) when he's in the yuppie role with Chad looks.

Nothing about this claims that the average man peaks at his late 20s. In fact given that the paper indicates that the average age difference (for a heterosexual couple) is 2.3 years we could argue that the average man peaks in terms of SMV when he's 19 (late teens) since he can get a 17 year old girl (younger thus more attractive) statistically much easier than both of his younger and older counterparts.

If you're trying to make the same lame argument that redpill copers use about " men aging like fine wine" thus men increasing their SMV as they get older (in your case, late 20s) it'll simply not work, this has been disproven time and time again by many users and authors that nowadays has been reduced to a boomer meme. Biologically and environmentally an average man's (again, non-Chad) possibility to attract younger women decreases notoriously with age. A 19 year old high-school dropout normie has much more chance to date and have sex with young girls compared to a weathy 30 year old normie.

You need to work on those examples next time, tons of conjecture and divagation.

 

[vic624]

Sexual development is done once puberty is finished, that's what matters. Mental maturity rarely plays a big factor at determining SMV, just like "personality" and "game" given this current sexual marketplace have become reduced to terciary complements that create very little to no variation, they're not an absolute requirement like appearance is.



Nothing about this claims that the average man peaks at his late 20s. In fact given that the paper indicates that the average age difference (for a heterosexual couple) is 2.3 years we could argue that the average man peaks in terms of SMV when he's 19 (late teens) since he can get a 17 year old girl (younger thus more attractive) statistically much easier than both of his younger and older counterparts.

If you're trying to make the same lame argument that redpill copers use about " men aging like fine wine" thus men increasing their SMV as they get older (in your case, late 20s) it'll simply not work, this has been disproven time and time again by many users and authors that nowadays has been reduced to a boomer meme. Biologically and environmentally an average man's (again, non-Chad) possibility to attract younger women decreases notoriously with age. A 19 year old high-school dropout normie has much more chance to date and have sex with young girls compared to a weathy 30 year old normie.

You need to work on those examples next time, tons of conjecture and divagation.

The "younger women get assigned more value points" argument you injected is new. A 19 year old guy's field of potential makes is in many legal environment effectively only with females 16 or older. Invoke the female preference for older males and his probability of potential mates pool is at max 3 years. A guy who is older has a bigger pool of women to choose from because even if the preference remains among women to be about 2 years younger, he's just only less likely to match with younger women, but the young guy is legally prevented from doing so.

No mammal has young males at the top of the social hierarchy. The dominant bulls are always older than his young challengers. Even without any legal considerations, in a primitive environment, the human males in the low-20s age group would be dominated by late-20s men. Athletes and strength competitors peak at age 26 plus they have developed brains.

 

[Adamhastor]

the most attractive 18 year old version of you mogs the most attractive 35 year old version of you

Complete and utter bullshit.
How old are you, bro ?

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

The "younger women get assigned more value points" argument you injected is new. A 19 year old guy's field of potential makes is in many legal environment effectively only with females 16 or older. Invoke the female preference for older males and his probability of potential mates pool is at max 3 years. A guy who is older has a bigger pool of women to choose from because even if the preference remains among women to be about 2 years younger, he's just only less likely to match with younger women, but the young guy is legally prevented from doing so.

No mammal has young males at the top of the social hierarchy. The dominant bulls are always older than his young challengers. Even without any legal considerations, in a primitive environment, the human males in the low-20s age group would be dominated by late-20s men. Athletes and strength competitors peak at age 26 plus they have developed brains.

The "younger women get assigned more value points" argument you injected is new. A 19 year old guy's field of potential makes is in many legal environment effectively only with females 16 or older. Invoke the female preference for older males and his probability of potential mates pool is at max 3 years. A guy who is older has a bigger pool of women to choose from because even if the preference remains among women to be about 2 years younger, he's just only less likely to match with younger women, but the young guy is legally prevented from doing so.

No mammal has young males at the top of the social hierarchy. The dominant bulls are always older than his young challengers. Even without any legal considerations, in a primitive environment, the human males in the low-20s age group would be dominated by late-20s men. Athletes and strength competitors peak at age 26 plus they have developed brains.

Both Tommasi's and Kshatriya's data back my claim that younger women are the most attractive. I'm interested in counter-evidence or data that suggests otherwise.

Tommasi's data:

Kshatriya's data:

Still, the average 19 year old male has a potential mate's pool much sexually desirable and attractive than the average 30 year old male simply because environmental proximity and biological compatibility (the vast majority of young girls are attracted to young guys while a little minority is attracted to older men).

Guys in their late teens and early 20s aren't the youngest in the reproductive hierarchy, early teens are. Keep in mind what we can create offspring as early as we start to ejaculate (11-13 on average).

I repeat once again, there's a considerable decline when you reach your 30s (not mid 20s)

Complete and utter bullshit.
How old are you, bro ?

ER's age -3

Hopefully I get my beautiful teen waifu once I reach 30 bro

 

[vic624]

I repeat once again, there's a considerable decline when you reach your 30s (not mid 20s)

Well since your OP says you're talking about looks, not SMV, which is what came up in the rest of the thread, just considering visual aesthetics you're probably correct since HGH is the hormone to nosedive the hardest in one's 20s.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

Well since your OP says you're talking about looks, not SMV, which is what came up in the rest of the thread, just considering visual aesthetics you're probably correct since HGH is the hormone to nosedive the hardest in one's 20s.

The primacy of SMV is looks and the main determinant of success in the sexual marketplace for a man is his appearance, again, kindergarten blackpills.

Game, status, betabuxxing = cope
Personality, talent, charisma = cope


HGH decline at 20 is followed by collagen and testosterone decline at 30, so.


Seriously dude, I don't know what are you even doing here if you don't believe in looks theory.

 

[vic624]

The primacy of SMV is looks and the main determinant of success in the sexual marketplace is his appearance, again, kindergarten blackpills.

Game, status, betabuxxing = cope
Personality, talent, charisma = cope


HGH decline at 20 is followed by collagen and testosterone decline at 30, so.


Seriously dude, I don't know what are you even doing here if you don't believe in looks theory.

Looks theory is built around LMS - Looks Money Status, with Looks broken down into HFF, height, frame, face. "Face only" is some autism shit.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

Looks theory is built around LMS - Looks Money Status, with Looks broken down into HFF, height, frame, face. "Face only" is some autism shit.

Never claimed that height and frame don't play a role. In fact, they influence much more than "alphaness" and "maturity" do.

 

[vic624]

Never claimed that height and frame don't play a role. In fact, they influence much more than "alphaness" and "maturity" do.

But you do disregard Money and Status? Dude you question my inceldom and point me toward "basic looks theory" but ignore what the incel wiki on this site calls

The generally accepted theory of how female sexuality operates on the blackpilled incelosphere, especially incel forums

LMS

LMS refers to Looks, Money and Status, a concept developed by a member of the former anti-pickup-artist community, Chinpoko, who suggested that what matters in attracting...

incels.wiki

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

But you do disregard Money and Status? Dude you question my inceldom and point me toward "basic looks theory" but ignore what the incel wiki on this site calls

LMS

LMS refers to Looks, Money and Status, a concept developed by a member of the former anti-pickup-artist community, Chinpoko, who suggested that what matters in attracting...

incels.wiki

Again, never disregarded money and status. You didn't even mentioned those, you just made some bluepilled arguments regarding maturity and something about a "sweet spot" at some point in the late 20s for all men that got easily debunked.

Seriously dude, your levels of sexual false consciousness are getting as higher as the SMV of a 50 year old redpilled boomer.

 

[Deleted member 18214]

Agepill is more brutal. The wall is just a redpill cope.

 

[vic624]

Again, never disregarded money and status. You didn't even mentioned those, you just made some bluepilled arguments regarding maturity and something about a "sweet spot" at some point in the late 20s for all men that got easily debunked.

Seriously dude, your levels of sexual false consciousness are getting as higher as the SMV of a 50 year old redpilled boomer.

You're just being full of shit now. If you think "the primacy of SMV is looks" and that there's no difference between the age of peak looks and the age of peak SMV, then you don't think money and status have any influence.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

You're just being full of shit now. If you think "the primacy of SMV is looks" and that there's no difference between the age of peak looks and the age of peak SMV, then you don't think money and status have any influence.

Main determinant = Looks

Secondary complements = Money and status

Terciary complements = Muh personality, muh game and my ability to betabuxx (basically both & copes)

Looks determine most of your success in the sexual marketplace, if you're just sub4 male in terms of looks status and money wouldn't matter that much, we've the historical case of Rodger to prove this.

Why are money and status secondary complements?

In a pro-feminist society (the society that currently we live in) where women are able to gather their own resources thanks to economical empowerment and able to gather their own status thanks to the social, economical and political power of feminist institutions that create and push for exclusive benefits for women (obviously) in all areas of human activity. In fact some women are already out-earning they bfs and hubbies, all of his factors applied to the current sexual market have made status and money secondary complements for a man's SMV while at the same time overpricing the importance of a man's looks.
Looks are the reason why Jeremy Meeks went from a violent convict to a model that married a millionaire girl 7 years younger than him, not his money or status

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

Objectively on looks the wall is usually more brutal, there's a reason everyone here prefers teen foids. I'd say the agepill measures up if it involves lots of hairloss. And yes I know a 80 year old foid will get more sex than the average 20 year old man, when considering SMV foids always wins.

 

[vic624]

Looks determine most of your success the sexual marketplace

Of course, but you're saying peak looks is when young and that's also peak SMV. Then obviously there'd be no point in even mentioning money and status in your paragidm if peak SMV is the same as peak looks. You even see the peak age period of looks as an age of low social status as a college aged "kid."

Looks are the reason why Jeremy Meeks went from a violent convict to a model that married a millionaire girl 7 years younger than him, not his money or status

Bad example since Meeks got famous at age 30. I'd argue he actually did have status as a dark triad thug along with top tier looks. As you said above, because of feminism money is the least important part of the "LMS Triangle." You still need status most of the time, and age can be a form of status mogging females.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

Of course, but you're saying peak looks is when young and that's also peak SMV. Then obviously there'd be no point in even mentioning money and status in your paragidm if peak SMV is the same as peak looks. You even see the peak age period of looks as an age of low social status as a college aged "kid."

Social status doesn't increase that much with age lol. Once people tend to enter the workforce they become individualistic, less sociable and less likely to be befriend or date someone, a good amount become wage slaves trapped in a dead-end job, if you didn't make a decent social circle through school and college you'll a very difficult time doing it.

Bad example since Meeks got famous at age 30. I'd argue he actually did have status as a dark triad thug along with top tier looks. As you said above, because of feminism money is the least important part of the "LMS Triangle." You still need status most of the time, and age can be a form of status mogging females.

Once again, I take looks as the determinant and money and status as secondary (though helpful) complements. Damn dude you're redundant.

Meeks got his status because of his looks, not his age. He's a good looking ex-convicted who almost killed a teenager 15 years ago.

Age can't be used to "MOG" females maybe betabuxxing while she's in the Chad's trailer park or Tyrone's public housing.

Again, most young girls aren't attracted to older men. I think CBP or FACEandLMS had a video about this

 

[Midwestcel]

Redpill cope and memes aside, both men and women considerably decline in terms of looks when they hit their 30s. No matter how much statusmaxxed or moneymaxxed you're making, the most attractive 18 year old version of you mogs the most attractive 35 year old version of you.

35 may be kind of young for some men. When that mugshot of Meeks went viral, he was 30 years old in that photo. I saw a pic of him at 17 and 30 y/o Meeks mogs 17 year old Meeks. A mugshot of 17 year old Meeks wouldn't have went viral.

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

35 may be kind of young for some men. When that mugshot of Meeks went viral, he was 30 years old in that photo. I saw a pic of him at 17 and 30 y/o Meeks mogs 17 year old Meeks. A mugshot of 17 year old Meeks wouldn't have went viral.

I agree that there's some men who look better as they age (hell, there are some women too). However both are exceptions to the rule.

 

[Midwestcel]

Wall is a cope. "Wall" is just what you personally don't find attractive. There's still thousands if not millions of men willing to date, marry and fuck a woman even once she's hit "The wall"

One way the red pill does itself a disservice is by putting "the wall" at an unrealistic age. There are loads of attractive women in their 30s. Sure, they may have declined somewhat from their late teens, early 20s when they were prime, but most healthy, 30 something in shape women have very minimal signs of aging and may even looks mog some younger women.

We all know that 37 year old woman with a 17 year old daughter who gets mistaken for sisters all of the time. The wall is when a woman may lose her sex appeal to most high value men, but 30 definitely isn't that age.

I agree that there's some men who look better as they age (hell, there are some women too). However both are exceptions to the rule.

Well even then, its up to a certain point. I highly doubt that 50 year old Meeks will mog 30 year old Meeks. The 30s might be kind of a looks purgatory for some. You're still young enough to be considered conventionally sexually attractive but old enough where you can start to lose your looks. For most men, their 30s is their last chance to get any prime pussy.

 

[ovrload]

most good looking celebrity's get some sort of surgery (normally botox) to enhance their youthfulness longer

 

[PureNomad]

There is no female Gilgamesh.

I thought you was talking about a pokemon till I looked it up... haha