The ultimate hypothetical.

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Let's say a wizard gives you one of two options.

Option 1: You become a turbo chad/pretty boy. You get to pick your race and height as well. Basically you get to pick whatever you think is the ultimate ideal. Your only limitation is that it has to be possible for a human to realistically look like that. The catch? You cannot under any circumstances, engage in any sort of romantic or sexual relationship with a woman. You cannot touch a woman in any way shape or form voluntarily. You cannot even be in an online romantic relationship with a woman. If you do any of these things, you will turn into a 5'1 horse faced bald ogre for life. Same goes for if you try to circumvent the rules and play rules lawyer, if you don't follow the spirit of the rule, the wizard will turn you into a 5'1 horse faced bald ogre for life.

Option 2: You get your semi-ideal gf. She won't have an impossibly perfect male gaze ideal personality (no MPDG/yandere/mommy gf), but she'll love you and won't cheat. Everything about you will stay the same though. You'll still be a subhuman and be treated as such by everyone else. You'll still suffer from the failo effect. Your girlfriends friends will hate you and constantly tell her she can do better.

Also specify in a post what details/traits you'd pick for the option you pick.

Personally I'm going option 1. I'd choose to be a giga pretty boy k-popmaxxed east asian. I'd just spam shit quality videos on social media and enjoy the simp comments from women.

 

[tulasdanslos]

I'd become Chadrone with lightskin and blue eyes combo with a height of 6'6. With those stats I could modelmaxx or money max some other way.

I don't choose the good gf because I'm too much of a burden on anyone so I wouldn't want that.

 

[SociallyStupid]

Well, except for a relationship and friends I have most of the stuff I want. As this semi-ideal girlfriend would be both relationship and friend, I wouldn't necessarily need more friends so it should be sufficient. Sucks about being constantly berated, but in option 1 I would still be berated for not having a GF by e.g. my family, especially as it would look as if I had absolutely no excuse due to my looks.

She should be well educated, maybe in science or engineering, kind, intelligent, maybe autistic, horny, have similar interests to me, in particular in playing coop video games, be white with fair skin, either blonde, red head or black hair and at least some, but not huge tits. Probably I ask for too much, how much would I have to reduce? I guess I would skip on playing coop video games first, then the hair color, then the fair skin, then the tits in that order if necessary.

 

[Light Yagami]

Option 2. Who gives a shit about gaining respect from normies? After all the disrespect I've received from them, I wouldn't even want to speak to them even if I somehow turned into a gigachad. I still see myself mostly being a recluse and only wanting to be friends with people who understand the incel struggle even if I was gifted mogger looks. At least with option 2, you're able to get a partner who has a higher degree of empathy and intelligence than the normal person. I honestly don't need to be respected by everyone, I just need the company of a few good people which option 2 will help more with. Option 1 doesn't fundamentally change the morality of the people you associate with or bring forth good company, so it doesn't make much sense to choose it past the instant gratification. Also, some chads in this day and age struggle with obtaining a loyal girlfriend which makes option 2 that much more powerful as a choice.

 

[oldNgreycel]

It's like asking if you want a golden egg, or the goose that lays them.

 

[PersonalityChad]

Option 2. Going for a busty tomboyish HTB/Stacylite Hopefully this is not too "ideal".

 

[NIGGER BOJANGLES]

I’d rather pick having a semi ideal gf. As long as she is at least a 5/10 and is loyal and loving, that’s good. Ain’t gonna fix my life totally but it would help a lot.

If I looked like Jeremy Meeks but was still forced to be a sexless incel that would defeat the main purpose of it. Money, status, and all that shit can’t make up for no sex and love.

Besides, if she was a half decent gf, she could help me fix some of the other areas of life too

 

[weaselbomber]

Being attractive helps you in many many ways besides just getting a girlfriend. People will find you more trustworthy, you will get slightly better grades, you will have better luck getting jobs, many other things that people do unconsciously.
But personally, I'd rather have a partner that loves and cherishes me more than anything. It's all I've ever wanted.

 

[NIGGER BOJANGLES]

Being attractive helps you in many many ways besides just getting a girlfriend. People will find you more trustworthy, you will get slightly better grades, you will have better luck getting jobs, many other things that people do unconsciously.
But personally, I'd rather have a partner that loves and cherishes me more than anything. It's all I've ever wanted.

Same, nothing can make up for love and sex, plus touch from a human woman. Even if I looked like Jeremy Meeks, I’d still be a coping incel trying to statusmaxx and shit in this hypothetical. So I’d choose a good gf. After all, she could probably help me in terms of jobs and social life anyway

 

[Undervalued]

Option 2. There's a lack of certainty with option 1. While I can choose my looks, I can't control how that life pans out. Imagine on top of not being able to interact with the opposite gender, you lose your job. At least with option 2, there'll be a constant positive in my life.

 

[Light Yagami]

Same, nothing can make up for love and sex, plus touch from a human woman. Even if I looked like Jeremy Meeks, I’d still be a coping incel trying to statusmaxx and shit in this hypothetical. So I’d choose a good gf. After all, she could probably help me in terms of jobs and social life anyway

You also gotta realize that getting a good girlfriend is difficult even for HTNs and chadlites nowadays, which makes option 2 far more desirable from a supply/demand perspective.

 

[NIGGER BOJANGLES]

You also gotta realize that getting a good girlfriend is difficult even for HTNs and chadlites nowadays, which makes option 2 far more desirable from a supply/demand perspective.

Indeed, people here underestimate how much a good gf would actually improve your life. Women have good social lives by default and can help you make friends and also give you more job opportunities from social connections too.

Plus the feeling of actually being loved and cared about would be irreplaceable

 

[Light Yagami]

Indeed, people here underestimate how much a good gf would actually improve your life. Women have good social lives by default and can help you make friends and also give you more job opportunities from social connections too.

Plus the feeling of actually being loved and cared about would be irreplaceable

Also the guarantee of your girlfriend staying by your side makes option 2 too overpowered.

 

[NIGGER BOJANGLES]

Also the guarantee of your girlfriend staying by your side makes option 2 overpowered.

Yeah that’s insanely underrated. Basically only legit chads have that opportunity irl so that is a game changer

 

[Kamanbert]

The gf i dont ask for much fuck being some pretty boy and mingling with soyciety

 

[Light Yagami]

Yeah that’s insanely underrated. Basically only legit chads have that opportunity irl so that is a game changer

Not even man. There are plenty of stories of famous chads getting divorced and shit. After all, you are still dealing with a female. Option 2 pretty much gives you the perfect girl, while ironing out some of the nastier aspects of female nature. Imagine never having to worry that your girlfriend might leave you if she meets a giga chad for example. Complete safety and security.

 

[NIGGER BOJANGLES]

Not even man. There are plenty of stories of famous chads getting divorced and shit. Option 2 pretty much gives you the perfect girl that not even Chads are guaranteed. Imagine never having to worry that your girlfriend might leave you if she meets a giga chad for example. Complete safety and security.

Yeah, you could literally be a deadbeat and leech off her and she’d stay with you in the second one. Or if you worked some low paying easy job she wouldn’t judge you. Can’t lose in scenario two as you’d have someone loving you no matter what and have sex whenever you want.

Imagine knowing that no matter what happens in any other aspect of life you always have love and sex guaranteed

 

[Light Yagami]

Can’t lose in scenario two as you’d have someone loving you no matter what and have sex whenever you want.

Imagine knowing that no matter what happens in any other aspect of life you always have love and sex guaranteed

Pass me the rope

 

[NIGGER BOJANGLES]

Pass me the rope

 

[Kamanbert]

Option 2. Who gives a shit about gaining respect from normies? After all the disrespect I've received from them, I wouldn't even want to speak to them even if I somehow turned into a gigachad. I still see myself mostly being a recluse and only wanting to be friends with people who understand the incel struggle even if I was gifted mogger looks. At least with option 2, you're able to get a partner who has a higher degree of empathy and intelligence than the normal person. I honestly don't need to be respected by everyone, I just need the company of a few good people which option 2 will help more with. Option 1 doesn't fundamentally change the morality of the people you associate with or bring forth good company, so it doesn't make much sense to choose it past the instant gratification. Also, some chads in this day and age struggle with obtaining a loyal girlfriend which makes option 2 that much more powerful as a choice.

Yeah the thing with experiencing the bad side of humanity for too long or too strongly is that you can't unfuck your mind from it. If suddenly you become Chad and are not the one being grinded by society, you'd still see the people now accepting you as doing and endorsing the grinding of others. To work this would require total amnesia

 

[Light Yagami]

Yeah the thing with experiencing the bad side of humanity for too long or too strongly is that you can't unfuck your mind from it. If suddenly you become Chad and are not the one being grinded by society, you'd still see the people now accepting you as doing and endorsing the grinding of others. To work this would require total amnesia

Yea you can just see through their bullshit lol. At least option 2 can spawn in a mystical girl who doesn't behave like the conventional woman, which would make it easier to suspend disbelief. Imagine seeing the very same normies who disrespected you treating you well and someone who you used to look like like shit JFL.

 

[Regenerator]

Option 1 seems too risky. Going for option 2

 

[BSGMANLET]

Option 2. Who gives a shit about gaining respect from normies? After all the disrespect I've received from them, I wouldn't even want to speak to them even if I somehow turned into a gigachad. I still see myself mostly being a recluse and only wanting to be friends with people who understand the incel struggle even if I was gifted mogger looks. At least with option 2, you're able to get a partner who has a higher degree of empathy and intelligence than the normal person. I honestly don't need to be respected by everyone, I just need the company of a few good people which option 2 will help more with. Option 1 doesn't fundamentally change the morality of the people you associate with or bring forth good company, so it doesn't make much sense to choose it past the instant gratification. Also, some chads in this day and age struggle with obtaining a loyal girlfriend which makes option 2 that much more powerful as a choice.

I agree

 

[Sex-Starved Beast]

Choosing option 1 over 2 seems ridicolous to me. I wouldn't gain much in terms of career or money by becoming a Chad now. And I would still be forever cursed, unable to talk to girls.

A girl who will love me no matter what is OP, plus since she's semi-ideal I would want her supportive and with a with high IQ. Thanks to her help I would be able to improve my life almost as much as if I picked option 1, or at least if I became a neurotypical HTN. I don't give a shit if her friends don't like me.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

At least option 2 can spawn in a mystical girl who doesn't behave like the conventional woman,

Not quite. I'll refer to: "She won't have an impossibly perfect male gaze ideal personality".

Removing any and all female instincts from a woman is "impossibly perfect personality" territory. She'll still be a woman with female instincts to an extent. While she'll still love you and stay with you and won't cheat, she'll still have hypergamous instincts, but won't act on them. She'll know she can do better, and this would inevitably bother her to some degree. She also won't necessarily be happy, which brings me to:

I don't choose the good gf because I'm too much of a burden on anyone so I wouldn't want that.

Because an impossibly idyllic personality is explicitly ruled out, she probably wouldn't be happy being with me. I'm an ugly middle aged man who works in fast food. So while she'd love me and wouldn't cheat because of plot armor, she'd also probably be frustrated and unhappy.

 

[Light Yagami]

Not quite. I'll refer to: "She won't have an impossibly perfect male gaze ideal personality".

Removing any and all female instincts from a woman is "impossibly perfect personality" territory. She'll still be a woman with female instincts to an extent. While she'll still love you and stay with you and won't cheat, she'll still have hypergamous instincts, but won't act on them. She'll know she can do better, and this would inevitably bother her to some degree. She also won't necessarily be happy, which brings me to:



Because an impossibly idyllic personality is explicitly ruled out, she probably wouldn't be happy being with me. I'm an ugly middle aged man who works in fast food. So while she'd love me and wouldn't cheat because of plot armor, she'd also probably be frustrated and unhappy.

Brutal that we can't get completely loving and happy girlfriends even in fictional hypotheticals

 

[Kamanbert]

I'm an ugly middle aged man who works in fast food.

Not wanna be an ass but this summary made me laugh kek

 

[Kamanbert]

Yea you can just see through their bullshit lol. At least option 2 can spawn in a mystical girl who doesn't behave like the conventional woman, which would make it easier to suspend disbelief. Imagine seeing the very same normies who disrespected you treating you well and someone who you used to look like like shit JFL.

Exactly

 

[Light Yagami]

Exactly

Tbh option 1 is starting to look more appealing because of the endless amount of possible ways you can fuck with normies by utilizing your height/face

 

[Eremetic]

Let's say a wizard gives you one of two options.

Option 1: You become a turbo chad/pretty boy. You get to pick your race and height as well. Basically you get to pick whatever you think is the ultimate ideal. Your only limitation is that it has to be possible for a human to realistically look like that. The catch? You cannot under any circumstances, engage in any sort of romantic or sexual relationship with a woman. You cannot touch a woman in any way shape or form voluntarily. You cannot even be in an online romantic relationship with a woman. If you do any of these things, you will turn into a 5'1 horse faced bald ogre for life. Same goes for if you try to circumvent the rules and play rules lawyer, if you don't follow the spirit of the rule, the wizard will turn you into a 5'1 horse faced bald ogre for life.

Option 2: You get your semi-ideal gf. She won't have an impossibly perfect male gaze ideal personality (no MPDG/yandere/mommy gf), but she'll love you and won't cheat. Everything about you will stay the same though. You'll still be a subhuman and be treated as such by everyone else. You'll still suffer from the failo effect. Your girlfriends friends will hate you and constantly tell her she can do better.

Also specify in a post what details/traits you'd pick for the option you pick.

Personally I'm going option 1. I'd choose to be a giga pretty boy k-popmaxxed east asian. I'd just spam shit quality videos on social media and enjoy the simp comments from women.

this is why you're narcissistic

 

[Kamanbert]

Tbh option 1 is starting to look more appealing because of the endless amount of possible ways you can fuck with normies by utilizing your height/face

Tbh i also could change my mind but only if i got horny

 

[Todd Thundercock]

2, not even close.

But that's easy to say in my situation on autismbux and I never need to deal with people anymore.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Not wanna be an ass but this summary made me laugh kek

"I used to think my life was a tragedy, but now I realize it's a comedy"

 

[Kamanbert]

"I used to think my life was a tragedy, but now I realize it's a comedy"

Dont worry i also have a mcjob at 31 and i burst out laughing writing this

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

this is why you're narcissistic

Tbh I certainly have some of the traits of narcissism, especially the envying others part and the fantasies of ideal love and looks part.

On the other hand, I have self-awareness and have no illusions that I'm special or important in any way. I fully realize that i'm nothing more than a disposable pawn to my employer and I have nothing of significance to offer the world.

So I'd fall short of the criteria to be diagnosed.

 

[Eremetic]

Tbh I certainly have some of the traits of narcissism, especially the envying others part and the fantasies of ideal love and looks part.

On the other hand, I have self-awareness and have no illusions that I'm special or important in any way. I fully realize that i'm nothing more than a disposable pawn to my employer and I have nothing of significance to offer the world.

So I'd fall short of the criteria to be diagnosed.

I have self-awareness and have no illusions that I'm special or important in any way.

no you don't

 

[spudcel]

get a girl easily. with someone who genuinely gives a shit about me no matter what everyone else says i could get me shit together real quick because lets be real here like 90% of the problems in my life are caused by self destructive behaviour stemming from loneliness. if i didn't have to deal with that i wouldnt have to deal with my shitty diet, lack of interesting hobbies, lack of friends, lack of drive to get outta bed in the morning, the list goes on and on.

 

[Only_Perspective]

I'd go for chadscum. I'd take pride and feel happiness just by rejecting roastoids, and letting them know they'll never be able to have me
Massive lifefuel compared to being stuck with a mid bitch of whom you'll eventually grow tired of.

 

[Grodd]

I'd pick option 2