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The Quran was not revealed in mecca

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When any of us reads the Quran, we think that its events take place in a desert environment similar to the climate of southern Hijaz. This is due to the preconceived idea that arose with us as part of the same belief, so we projects this image onto most of the events and scenes mentioned in the texts, and we look past the simplest evidence that confirms the complete image of the truth of the Quranic description.

But what if we put the Quran in the hands of a neutral person who knows nothing about Islam or the environment of those to whom the Quran was revealed? He will certainly arrive at a completely different reality and will attribute the geography of the Quran to an environment that is more moderate and closer to the climate of North Africa or the Levant, and not to the desert, which is not mentioned even once in the Quran! And because the Qur’an was revealed to the inhabitants of a specific geographical area, it is natural that it would cite to them fruits and animals known to them and which they use for their daily needs, rather than cite the nature of another place that only a few of them know from their travels. If we were to place this Qur’an in the hands of someone who knows nothing about Islam and tell him that this book came from the heart of the desert, he would laugh in amazement at its mention of animals such as the lion that the Qur’an used as an example, and the donkeys fleeing from it as an example for those who disbelieved.

So why do they turn away from the reminder? (49) As if they were wild donkeys (50) Fleeing from a lion (51) Surah Al-Muddaththir.

A description of a phenomenon familiar in the community of the Messenger and known to all of them. Otherwise, when this text was revealed, they would have said, “What is your Qur’an talking about, Muhammad?” The same goes for the elephant and the famous story of Abraha. Assuming that the elephant in the language of the Qur’an means the elephant, it is impossible for an animal that consumes about 150 kilograms of grass daily and drink 40 liters of water to travel hundreds of kilometers in the hot desert, which would certainly double its usual nutritional needs, especially water.

Have you not seen how your Lord dealt with the companions of the elephant? (1) Did He not make their plot go astray? (2) And sent against them birds in flocks (3) Striking them with stones of baked clay. (4) And made them like eaten straw. (5) Surah Al-Fil

With the exception of camels, all the animals mentioned in the Qur’an live in areas with a Moderate environment even pigs are not found in desert areas, so how can an animal that they do not eat at all and does not live among them be forbidden to them?

One of the problems facing those who attributed the place of the Muhammadan mission to the the desert is the frequent mention of fruits, crops and plants in various texts.

"He causes to grow for you thereby the crops, olives, palm trees, grapevines and from all the fruits. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who give thought. (11) Surah An-Nahl"

"And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who reason. (67) Surah An-Nahl"

"And a sign for them is the dead land. We have given it life and produced from it grain, and from it they eat. (33) And We have placed therein Gardens of palm trees and grapevines, and We caused springs to gush forth therein. (34) Surah Yasin"


What is this? Grapes, olives, gardens, orchards, springs. Are we in a desert or in a garden! And we will find confirmation and repetition of these same fruits so it is clear that they are indeed the fruits of the region addressed in the Qur’an, in addition to the clear relationship between them and the sea and their constant use of ships.

"And it is He who has subjected the sea so that you may eat from it tender meat and extract from it ornaments which you wear, and you see the ships plying through it, and that you may seek of His bounty; and perhaps you will be grateful"(14) Surah An-Nahl

The Qur’an also explicitly indicates the existence of two seas in the region

"and the two seas are not alike. This one is fresh and sweet, palatable to drink, and that one is salty and bitter. And from each you eat meat Fresh, and you bring forth ornaments which you wear, and you see the ships therein, plying their course, that you may seek of His bounty, and perhaps you will be grateful" (12) Surah Fatir

And it confirms the proximity of those addressed in its texts and those around them to the sea and their constant use of ships, which completely negates what came in the biography of the sects

When re-reading the texts of the Qur’an with neutral eyes, we will see that location to which they attributed the events of the Qur’an contradicts in every way the true geography of the Qur’an, which is no longer hidden from researchers specializing in the field and which remains one of the most important keys to re-reading the true history of Islam, which will at the same time contribute to re-reading and correcting the biography of the Messenger Muhammad and exonerating him from all the obscenities and crimes attributed to him in the heritage of the sects the time has come to expose this conspiracy and the great crime against history and the Islamic religion, although this truth will be shocking to many and completely unacceptable, but this is the price of the call to the truth to which the Most Gracious called us

"Indeed, We have brought you the truth, but most of you hate the truth" (78) Surah Az-Zukhruf
 
DNR
I'm not really interested in any sand religions. And yes that includes Christcuckery. I think that the people in Tenochtitlan (Aztecs) had come close enough to what a true religion looks like.
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??????

You do realize that pre-islamic mecca was a central trading hub, right? Your entire argument falls apart since it assumes medevial arabians have NO access or knowledge of Levantine or byzantine products
 
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You do realize that pre-islamic mecca was a central trading hub, right? Your entire argument falls apart since it assumes medevial arabians have NO access or knowledge of Levantine or byzantine products
Dosen't adress the verses that clearly state that they were constantly using ship also the verses that mention fruits and particularly olives which didn't exist in mecca also keep in mind that the quran never mentions the desert which is strange considering it was supposedly revealed to a people living in a desert environment
 
Dosen't adress the verses that clearly state that they were constantly using ship
Are you saying pre Islamic meccanites didn't know about ships?
the verses that mention fruits and particularly olives which didn't exist in mecca
You're right, but they existsed in the levant and yemeni regions which meccanites regularly traded with
the quran never mentions the desert which is strange considering it was supposedly revealed to a people living in a desert environment
14:37 clearly describes mecca as a barren arid valley, which it is
 
Are you saying pre Islamic meccanites didn't know about ships?
No but the verses mention their constant use of ships which is werid because the area they lived in wasn't close to the sea

You're right, but they existsed in the levant and yemeni regions which meccanites regularly traded with
The verses mention that people grow those fruits in their environment for example like in this verse :

"And it is He who produced gardens trellised and untrellised, and palm trees and crops of varying fruit, and olives and pomegranates, some similar yet some dissimilar. Eat of its fruit when it bears fruit and give its due on the day of its harvest, and do not be excessive. Indeed, He does not like the transgressors" (141) Surah Al-An’am

14:37 clearly describes mecca as a barren arid valley, which it is
You have to take the broader context of the quran into account there are dozens of verses mentioning fruits olives sea etc.
 
When any of us reads the Quran, we think that its events take place in a desert environment similar to the climate of southern Hijaz. This is due to the preconceived idea that arose with us as part of the same belief, so we projects this image onto most of the events and scenes mentioned in the texts, and we look past the simplest evidence that confirms the complete image of the truth of the Quranic description.

But what if we put the Quran in the hands of a neutral person who knows nothing about Islam or the environment of those to whom the Quran was revealed? He will certainly arrive at a completely different reality and will attribute the geography of the Quran to an environment that is more moderate and closer to the climate of North Africa or the Levant, and not to the desert, which is not mentioned even once in the Quran! And because the Qur’an was revealed to the inhabitants of a specific geographical area, it is natural that it would cite to them fruits and animals known to them and which they use for their daily needs, rather than cite the nature of another place that only a few of them know from their travels. If we were to place this Qur’an in the hands of someone who knows nothing about Islam and tell him that this book came from the heart of the desert, he would laugh in amazement at its mention of animals such as the lion that the Qur’an used as an example, and the donkeys fleeing from it as an example for those who disbelieved.

So why do they turn away from the reminder? (49) As if they were wild donkeys (50) Fleeing from a lion (51) Surah Al-Muddaththir.

A description of a phenomenon familiar in the community of the Messenger and known to all of them. Otherwise, when this text was revealed, they would have said, “What is your Qur’an talking about, Muhammad?” The same goes for the elephant and the famous story of Abraha. Assuming that the elephant in the language of the Qur’an means the elephant, it is impossible for an animal that consumes about 150 kilograms of grass daily and drink 40 liters of water to travel hundreds of kilometers in the hot desert, which would certainly double its usual nutritional needs, especially water.

Have you not seen how your Lord dealt with the companions of the elephant? (1) Did He not make their plot go astray? (2) And sent against them birds in flocks (3) Striking them with stones of baked clay. (4) And made them like eaten straw. (5) Surah Al-Fil

With the exception of camels, all the animals mentioned in the Qur’an live in areas with a Moderate environment even pigs are not found in desert areas, so how can an animal that they do not eat at all and does not live among them be forbidden to them?

One of the problems facing those who attributed the place of the Muhammadan mission to the the desert is the frequent mention of fruits, crops and plants in various texts.

"He causes to grow for you thereby the crops, olives, palm trees, grapevines and from all the fruits. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who give thought. (11) Surah An-Nahl"

"And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who reason. (67) Surah An-Nahl"

"And a sign for them is the dead land. We have given it life and produced from it grain, and from it they eat. (33) And We have placed therein Gardens of palm trees and grapevines, and We caused springs to gush forth therein. (34) Surah Yasin"


What is this? Grapes, olives, gardens, orchards, springs. Are we in a desert or in a garden! And we will find confirmation and repetition of these same fruits so it is clear that they are indeed the fruits of the region addressed in the Qur’an, in addition to the clear relationship between them and the sea and their constant use of ships.

"And it is He who has subjected the sea so that you may eat from it tender meat and extract from it ornaments which you wear, and you see the ships plying through it, and that you may seek of His bounty; and perhaps you will be grateful"(14) Surah An-Nahl

The Qur’an also explicitly indicates the existence of two seas in the region

"and the two seas are not alike. This one is fresh and sweet, palatable to drink, and that one is salty and bitter. And from each you eat meat Fresh, and you bring forth ornaments which you wear, and you see the ships therein, plying their course, that you may seek of His bounty, and perhaps you will be grateful" (12) Surah Fatir

And it confirms the proximity of those addressed in its texts and those around them to the sea and their constant use of ships, which completely negates what came in the biography of the sects

When re-reading the texts of the Qur’an with neutral eyes, we will see that location to which they attributed the events of the Qur’an contradicts in every way the true geography of the Qur’an, which is no longer hidden from researchers specializing in the field and which remains one of the most important keys to re-reading the true history of Islam, which will at the same time contribute to re-reading and correcting the biography of the Messenger Muhammad and exonerating him from all the obscenities and crimes attributed to him in the heritage of the sects the time has come to expose this conspiracy and the great crime against history and the Islamic religion, although this truth will be shocking to many and completely unacceptable, but this is the price of the call to the truth to which the Most Gracious called us

"Indeed, We have brought you the truth, but most of you hate the truth" (78) Surah Az-Zukhruf
I've wondered this before but i mean saudi Arabia isn't completely desert
 
The verses mention that people grow those fruits in their environment for example like in this verse :

"And it is He who produced gardens trellised and untrellised, and palm trees and crops of varying fruit, and olives and pomegranates, some similar yet some dissimilar. Eat of its fruit when it bears fruit and give its due on the day of its harvest, and do not be excessive. Indeed, He does not like the transgressors" (141) Surah Al-An’am
Where does it even imply that it's talking about olives growing in mecca.

Obviously meccanites knew that olives were fruit that grew from trees, they weren't clueless, doesn't mean that it's actually a secret conspiracy theory that the Quran is about the levant instead
 
When any of us reads the Quran, we think that its events take place in a desert environment similar to the climate of southern Hijaz. This is due to the preconceived idea that arose with us as part of the same belief, so we projects this image onto most of the events and scenes mentioned in the texts, and we look past the simplest evidence that confirms the complete image of the truth of the Quranic description.

But what if we put the Quran in the hands of a neutral person who knows nothing about Islam or the environment of those to whom the Quran was revealed? He will certainly arrive at a completely different reality and will attribute the geography of the Quran to an environment that is more moderate and closer to the climate of North Africa or the Levant, and not to the desert, which is not mentioned even once in the Quran! And because the Qur’an was revealed to the inhabitants of a specific geographical area, it is natural that it would cite to them fruits and animals known to them and which they use for their daily needs, rather than cite the nature of another place that only a few of them know from their travels. If we were to place this Qur’an in the hands of someone who knows nothing about Islam and tell him that this book came from the heart of the desert, he would laugh in amazement at its mention of animals such as the lion that the Qur’an used as an example, and the donkeys fleeing from it as an example for those who disbelieved.

So why do they turn away from the reminder? (49) As if they were wild donkeys (50) Fleeing from a lion (51) Surah Al-Muddaththir.

A description of a phenomenon familiar in the community of the Messenger and known to all of them. Otherwise, when this text was revealed, they would have said, “What is your Qur’an talking about, Muhammad?” The same goes for the elephant and the famous story of Abraha. Assuming that the elephant in the language of the Qur’an means the elephant, it is impossible for an animal that consumes about 150 kilograms of grass daily and drink 40 liters of water to travel hundreds of kilometers in the hot desert, which would certainly double its usual nutritional needs, especially water.

Have you not seen how your Lord dealt with the companions of the elephant? (1) Did He not make their plot go astray? (2) And sent against them birds in flocks (3) Striking them with stones of baked clay. (4) And made them like eaten straw. (5) Surah Al-Fil

With the exception of camels, all the animals mentioned in the Qur’an live in areas with a Moderate environment even pigs are not found in desert areas, so how can an animal that they do not eat at all and does not live among them be forbidden to them?

One of the problems facing those who attributed the place of the Muhammadan mission to the the desert is the frequent mention of fruits, crops and plants in various texts.

"He causes to grow for you thereby the crops, olives, palm trees, grapevines and from all the fruits. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who give thought. (11) Surah An-Nahl"

"And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who reason. (67) Surah An-Nahl"

"And a sign for them is the dead land. We have given it life and produced from it grain, and from it they eat. (33) And We have placed therein Gardens of palm trees and grapevines, and We caused springs to gush forth therein. (34) Surah Yasin"


What is this? Grapes, olives, gardens, orchards, springs. Are we in a desert or in a garden! And we will find confirmation and repetition of these same fruits so it is clear that they are indeed the fruits of the region addressed in the Qur’an, in addition to the clear relationship between them and the sea and their constant use of ships.

"And it is He who has subjected the sea so that you may eat from it tender meat and extract from it ornaments which you wear, and you see the ships plying through it, and that you may seek of His bounty; and perhaps you will be grateful"(14) Surah An-Nahl

The Qur’an also explicitly indicates the existence of two seas in the region

"and the two seas are not alike. This one is fresh and sweet, palatable to drink, and that one is salty and bitter. And from each you eat meat Fresh, and you bring forth ornaments which you wear, and you see the ships therein, plying their course, that you may seek of His bounty, and perhaps you will be grateful" (12) Surah Fatir

And it confirms the proximity of those addressed in its texts and those around them to the sea and their constant use of ships, which completely negates what came in the biography of the sects

When re-reading the texts of the Qur’an with neutral eyes, we will see that location to which they attributed the events of the Qur’an contradicts in every way the true geography of the Qur’an, which is no longer hidden from researchers specializing in the field and which remains one of the most important keys to re-reading the true history of Islam, which will at the same time contribute to re-reading and correcting the biography of the Messenger Muhammad and exonerating him from all the obscenities and crimes attributed to him in the heritage of the sects the time has come to expose this conspiracy and the great crime against history and the Islamic religion, although this truth will be shocking to many and completely unacceptable, but this is the price of the call to the truth to which the Most Gracious called us

"Indeed, We have brought you the truth, but most of you hate the truth" (78) Surah Az-Zukhruf
Its obvious to researchers and detectives that Islam is man made. Utman burnt the original Koran and what we have today is the "Utman" Koran. It was full of discrepancies and obsurdities such as what you wrote above and thats when the hadiths were made HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER MUHHAMDS DEATH. The hadiths are used to explain the Koran because without hadith when studied te Koran makes no sense.

The deeper you dig the more out right falacies, disprencencies and falsehoods you will find in Koran. Example didnt it say the well of Zamzam will never go dry? Infact it went dry numerous times over the centuries and today they desalinize sea water and say that Zamzam water.
 
Why should i give a shit about some sandnigger religion which is a rip off of another sandnigger religion ?
 
it's a work of fiction like all other religions
 
When any of us reads the Quran, we think that its events take place in a desert environment similar to the climate of southern Hijaz. This is due to the preconceived idea that arose with us as part of the same belief, so we projects this image onto most of the events and scenes mentioned in the texts, and we look past the simplest evidence that confirms the complete image of the truth of the Quranic description.

But what if we put the Quran in the hands of a neutral person who knows nothing about Islam or the environment of those to whom the Quran was revealed? He will certainly arrive at a completely different reality and will attribute the geography of the Quran to an environment that is more moderate and closer to the climate of North Africa or the Levant, and not to the desert, which is not mentioned even once in the Quran! And because the Qur’an was revealed to the inhabitants of a specific geographical area, it is natural that it would cite to them fruits and animals known to them and which they use for their daily needs, rather than cite the nature of another place that only a few of them know from their travels. If we were to place this Qur’an in the hands of someone who knows nothing about Islam and tell him that this book came from the heart of the desert, he would laugh in amazement at its mention of animals such as the lion that the Qur’an used as an example, and the donkeys fleeing from it as an example for those who disbelieved.

So why do they turn away from the reminder? (49) As if they were wild donkeys (50) Fleeing from a lion (51) Surah Al-Muddaththir.

A description of a phenomenon familiar in the community of the Messenger and known to all of them. Otherwise, when this text was revealed, they would have said, “What is your Qur’an talking about, Muhammad?” The same goes for the elephant and the famous story of Abraha. Assuming that the elephant in the language of the Qur’an means the elephant, it is impossible for an animal that consumes about 150 kilograms of grass daily and drink 40 liters of water to travel hundreds of kilometers in the hot desert, which would certainly double its usual nutritional needs, especially water.

Have you not seen how your Lord dealt with the companions of the elephant? (1) Did He not make their plot go astray? (2) And sent against them birds in flocks (3) Striking them with stones of baked clay. (4) And made them like eaten straw. (5) Surah Al-Fil

With the exception of camels, all the animals mentioned in the Qur’an live in areas with a Moderate environment even pigs are not found in desert areas, so how can an animal that they do not eat at all and does not live among them be forbidden to them?

One of the problems facing those who attributed the place of the Muhammadan mission to the the desert is the frequent mention of fruits, crops and plants in various texts.

"He causes to grow for you thereby the crops, olives, palm trees, grapevines and from all the fruits. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who give thought. (11) Surah An-Nahl"

"And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who reason. (67) Surah An-Nahl"

"And a sign for them is the dead land. We have given it life and produced from it grain, and from it they eat. (33) And We have placed therein Gardens of palm trees and grapevines, and We caused springs to gush forth therein. (34) Surah Yasin"


What is this? Grapes, olives, gardens, orchards, springs. Are we in a desert or in a garden! And we will find confirmation and repetition of these same fruits so it is clear that they are indeed the fruits of the region addressed in the Qur’an, in addition to the clear relationship between them and the sea and their constant use of ships.

"And it is He who has subjected the sea so that you may eat from it tender meat and extract from it ornaments which you wear, and you see the ships plying through it, and that you may seek of His bounty; and perhaps you will be grateful"(14) Surah An-Nahl

The Qur’an also explicitly indicates the existence of two seas in the region

"and the two seas are not alike. This one is fresh and sweet, palatable to drink, and that one is salty and bitter. And from each you eat meat Fresh, and you bring forth ornaments which you wear, and you see the ships therein, plying their course, that you may seek of His bounty, and perhaps you will be grateful" (12) Surah Fatir

And it confirms the proximity of those addressed in its texts and those around them to the sea and their constant use of ships, which completely negates what came in the biography of the sects

When re-reading the texts of the Qur’an with neutral eyes, we will see that location to which they attributed the events of the Qur’an contradicts in every way the true geography of the Qur’an, which is no longer hidden from researchers specializing in the field and which remains one of the most important keys to re-reading the true history of Islam, which will at the same time contribute to re-reading and correcting the biography of the Messenger Muhammad and exonerating him from all the obscenities and crimes attributed to him in the heritage of the sects the time has come to expose this conspiracy and the great crime against history and the Islamic religion, although this truth will be shocking to many and completely unacceptable, but this is the price of the call to the truth to which the Most Gracious called us

"Indeed, We have brought you the truth, but most of you hate the truth" (78) Surah Az-Zukhruf
Aint readin allat
 
>reading the Koran

Gay and cringe
 

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