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The Paradox of the Incel Community - to Cope or to LDAR?

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Was inspired to make this post by the post above, it is a great insight into the different paths an incel can take.

One goes like this: he is frustrated with his loveless life, finds online communities where people share his struggles, finds some type of brotherhood, eventually gets disillusioned or bored with the community, and then finds some type of fulfillment in real life.

The other follows a similar path, except he gets far too caught up in the incel "rope" and "LDAR" rhetoric. He believes that life is not worth living without the feeling of being desired, or having mutual emotional connection, and because of this he ultimately ends his life.

The second type of incel rhetoric has likely caused many unnecessary deaths. In a community where saying "I can live a fulfilled life without romantic involvement" is considered taboo or "cope", with the simultaneous belief that said romance is impossible, is a recipe for suicide. The notion that an incel can never live a fulfilled life to me seems like an excuse to never do anything, to stay confined in a bubble of self pity that you are preventing yourself from popping. It is such a thin film that is keeping you from doing anything.

If you are truly blackpilled and believe that "it's over", that there will never be a chance of finding true love in this world, then why hinge everything on the that thought? Should it not be as impossible to us as becoming NBA players or Nobel Prize laureates? We don't think constantly about how we can never fulfill those things for the simple reason that they are completely out of the realm of possibility for us. The point is, if we truly believe that love is not possible, we shouldn't think about it as much as we do, and the fact that so many of us think about it as much as we do proves we don't truly think it is impossible. In other words, despite our mantra like repetition of one of our sacred sayings: " it's over", most of us still believe it is not.

I urge you all to cement your belief in the blackpill. To truly realize the permanence of your inceldom. In our current state, the blackpill has us confined to inaction, and only when when we fully digest it can we hope for the end of the repugnant stagnation that consumes us all. Thus the phrase "the blackpill will set you free".

If you haven't realized the paradox already, I will spell it out for you. We supposedly believe it is over, but simultaneously spend our days lamenting and thinking about romance. How can you reconcile these two tendencies of the incel community? Simply, you cannot. It is not logically sound to believe something is completely impossible and yet lament it to such an extent that an outsider would think that they are missing something they even had a chance of having!

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying you shouldn't complain, I myself have made posts complaining countless times. I am saying that we should focus our efforts on self fulfillment rather then believing there is no salvation for those who are doomed to eternal celibacy. I believe that the logical conclusion to the BP is to stop talking about something you can supposedly never change and to start seeing what you can do in other areas of your life. And yes, before anyone points it out, I believe the reddit platitude of "Just enjoy your life without romance" is correct and a simple conclusion to the BP. That said, I will continue to do the exact things I am saying we shouldn't because, like us all, I have not fully digested the blackpill.

I shall end this with a quote from one of our Holy Incel Saints, Saint Hamudi of Blackpill Syria:

"It's over buddy boyos!"
 
We still have our biological urges for belonging, physical intimacy, sex and reproduction. Even when we are blackpilled, we cannot just simply overcome it as we have pairs of balls and testosterone production. We start thinking about desperate solutions such as traveling to the Philippines. Some IT retards and normies may suggest castration for this and turning into legit mental issues such as transgender pseudoscience or homosexuality, but that's retarded, cucked and a complete destruction. This is why incels should gymmaxx and learn to fight if possible (for self defense) because the ultimate goal of feminism is castration and enslavement of ugly men, autistic men and manlets which some non-feminist sexhaver men support too.

I'm definitely not the only incel who's not only struggling from inceldom, but struggling to cope too, to make life as an incel more tolerable. Employers reject me because they can sense that I'm not like them, I'm an aspergers retard and nowadays it's all about nepotism and being perfect for them, with a perfect background. Copes ain't gonna pay for themselves so there's only cheap unhealthy copes left for me such as drinking energy drinks and garbage diet overall. It's not a coincidence why autistic people die young on average.
 
I LDAR because I'm used to being miserable the idea of living a life I'm satisfied with seems foreign to me and I have no idea where I would even start as I don't have any sort of passion, talents or goals.
 
I LDAR because I'm used to being miserable the idea of living a life I'm satisfied with seems foreign to me and I have no idea where I would even start as I don't have any sort of passion, talents or goals.
 
Just dont think about your natural urge to reproduce bro
 
I believe the reddit platitude of "Just enjoy your life without romance" is correct and a simple conclusion to the BP.
I completely agree with this and I’m happy you made a thread about i as I have found peace with the fact I probably won’t find anyone. I’ve stopped caring to a certain extent and it feels freeing. I will admit I get lonely sometimes and would love someone next to me but I’m content with the way I am.
 
Both. The logical conclusion is coping, making the best of our situation. Yet, also do not forget the warped society that stuck us here and refuse to play their game.
 
Good thread. I wanted to make a thread like his some time ago. We need to emphasize the "liberation" aspect of the blackpill, as I tinj that is what it was originally intended to do. The blackpill never told us to LDAR, it only told us that it is over. However many people use the BP as an excuse to basically give up.

We should instead focus on bettering on our own lives without the expectation of romance. Now this doesn't mean conforming to normies society. Society in its current state must be changed. This is about improving your own self to sabotage the normie system as much as you can.
 
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you need to @ the users because it doesnt work like this
 
you need to @ the users because it doesnt work like this
Oh okay, thanks.
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The point is, if we truly believe that love is not possible, we shouldn't think about it as much as we do, and the fact that so many of us think about it as much as we do proves we don't truly think it is impossible. In other words, despite our mantra like repetition of one of our sacred sayings: " it's over", most of us still believe it is not.
We think about it because it's a basic human desire that you can't wipe away, you are made with it and that's it, if you never get it (which you won't) then you will feel like shit. At least we don't have fake love like normies who get cheated on and divorce raped.
Should it not be as impossible to us as becoming NBA players or Nobel Prize laureates? We don't think constantly about how we can never fulfill those things for the simple reason that they are completely out of the realm of possibility for us
The reason we don't think about those things is because we don't feel like we even want them, it isn't an innate human desire to be an NBA player, people do that for an easy life or status not for the thing itself. The comparison between being famous and just having another person who loves you is a false equivalence.

Regardless of any of this, we will never be loved, not even if we can become normie tier, females do not feel love and will never actually care about you. It really is over, you just have to immerse in fantasy
 
Oh okay, thanks.
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I got a notification tho (on the first post)
 
To LDAR . My belief in the BP has been almost nearly cemented. It's hard to just reject your biological urges as ITtroons suggest though. I let off my frustrations on this site. Sub-5 men never had a chance in this world, let alone sub-8 men. But I'd recommend most on here to indulge in copes at leisure, LDARing at home. I'm hardly able to enjoy that because of chronic pain so I'm basically surviving at this point. The BP is more than just celibacy, it's being treated like shit by soyciety, not being able to get into high paying jobs, being backstabbed by family and "friends". Maybe I just have a nihilistic view of the world but there really isn't much here for sub-5 and non-NT men.
 
The point is, if we truly believe that love is not possible, we shouldn't think about it as much as we do
It's not a conscious decision, every human has the need for love, it's how our species survives. A lot of people don't truly accept that it's over because our bodies won't let us, it's a survival mechanism.
I am saying that we should focus our efforts on self fulfillment rather then believing there is no salvation for those who are doomed to eternal celibacy.
To me, there is absolutely nothing self-fulfilling in this world other than creation. The only time I'm ever proud of myself is when I create something, even if it's something as silly as a thread on an incel forum. But that pride fades over time. Children are the ultimate creation, the love for your child never fades. As we age a lot of our hobbies end up being compensation for the children we never had.
 
Regardless of any of this, we will never be loved, not even if we can become normie tier, females do not feel love and will never actually care about you.
I agree that normies are not loved. In fact I believe it's near impossible for women to truly love sub-8s. But I don't think they are incapable of love. That attraction and genuine desire they feel towards psl gods, as shallow as it may seem, is what true love is. They would wipe out a thousand incels for their sweetheart. They think about him all day, they can't sleep from the butterflies in their stomach. It's depressing, but what else would I call that other than love.
 
It's over buddy boyos
Yes


Don't get me wrong, I am not saying you shouldn't complain, I myself have made posts complaining countless times. I am saying that we should focus our efforts on self fulfillment rather then believing there is no salvation for those who are doomed to eternal celibacy. I believe that the logical conclusion to the BP is to stop talking about something you can supposedly never change and to start seeing what you can do in other areas of your life. And yes, before anyone points it out, I believe the reddit platitude of "Just enjoy your life without romance" is correct and a simple conclusion to the BP. That said, I will continue to do the exact things I am saying we shouldn't because, like us all, I have not fully digested the blackpill.
We should do things that don't involve others and which are giving us pleasure in itself, not because someone sees that, feels that or hears that. It sounds like reddit cope but it's true, sometimes when I take bass or guitar to hands I can forget that no one wants to see me playing that (skills aren't relevant while you look sub3) or just reading books.

If they don't want to see me as their friends or no woman takes me seriously, I should just forget about it, maybe when my wasted life will be recognised they would at least apologize me for ignoring my life and its fruits.
 
what else would I call that other than love.
Lust. They would immediately forget about them and cheat if he got in an accident and became ugly or something. The very fact that his looks is the only requirement (or looks + being an asshole) proves it is not love in the way men can love
 
LDAR is reasonable but will drive you insane sometime and youd turn hikikomori which is really bad.

But for some it might be reasonable.

Cope? With what?

I cant even watch porn anymore and havent in weeks now because I just dont feel much besides pissed off its not me whos fucking this STACY SUPERMODEL!

Havent games in 4 years.

Never gambled.

Gym and Yoga ok.

Never did drugs legal or illegal.

Yeah maybe music dunno.

I kind of ran out of em.
 
Once i full accepted the blackpill my life improved immensely, i came to accept my place withing society and set me free in a way. I accepted that hunting for pussy was pointless for me and started dedicating far more time in hobbies and activities i enjoyed. i also got my act together and finished education and got a decent enough job(the pay ain't that great but the job is easy enough).

i will still complain and whatnot, but i will still try to improve what i can improve.
 
I cope while rotting
 
Lust. They would immediately forget about them and cheat if he got in an accident and became ugly or something. The very fact that his looks is the only requirement (or looks + being an asshole) proves it is not love in the way men can love

That's the thing I see this as semantics. I don't know how I would define love but Oxford says it's this:
love /lʌv/ noun - an intense feeling of deep affection.

So why can't that affection come from something like Lust, even if it's perverted, even if there's no guarantee it will last forever, why can't we call it love. You said that men are capable of love, but if I had a girlfriend, and her face got disfigured, let's say splashed with acid, I would have to fight everything in my body to stay with her. My eyes tell me she looks unpleasant, my brain is repulsed byher appearance.

To say that I would still love her after that would be delusional, It would come from the need to feel like a good person, rather than genuine affection. Nothing but virtue signaling, no different from women commenting "awww" on some bluepilled sub5's socials, all because he's hecking wholesome. If that sub5 were to as much as utter anything controversial, they would tell him to kill himself. I'm no better than those women.
 
This is the part you missed, women's love is shallow and is entirely based on chad looks, not character. In fact, a woman may cheat on Chad with another Chad, which you also missed.


if I had a girlfriend, and her face got disfigured, let's say splashed with acid, I would have to fight everything in my body to stay with her.
Speak for yourself thobeit, I personally would never date a foid in the first place because they are all despicable and untrustworthy, I cannot love those creatures in the first place. But hypothetically, if I was with my waifu which is obviously impossible or unrealistic here, I wouldn't leave them for any physical reason. That probably doesn't mean much to you though
 
That probably doesn't mean much to you though
It does, I want to hear others perspectives because I never know if I was conditioned to believe something, or came to that conclusion naturally. I believe all humans share instinct, and think very much alike if not influenced. So one of us is lying to themselves, and it very well could be me. We never truly know how we would act, unless we get in that situation ourselves, the best we can do is guess.
 
Fulfillment is just another word for, 'Living a normal life and achieving the basic milestones in life like having sex and creating a family.' When you're an outcasted lonely virgin man, you can't achieve fulfillment no matter what you do. The world is fundamentally against you and fulfillment is only a dream for copers (when you're an incel).
 
Once i full accepted the blackpill my life improved immensely, i came to accept my place withing society and set me free in a way. I accepted that hunting for pussy was pointless for me and started dedicating far more time in hobbies and activities i enjoyed. i also got my act together and finished education and got a decent enough job(the pay ain't that great but the job is easy enough).

i will still complain and whatnot, but i will still try to improve what i can improve.
Congrats. Great to hear that. My story is a little similar, the blackpill did set me free and removed a lot of negativity in my mind.

I wish there were more positive blackpill stories like yours.
 
How can you reconcile these two tendencies of the incel community? Simply, you cannot.
I can :feelsokman:
Should it not be as impossible to us as becoming NBA players or Nobel Prize laureates?
I don't need to be an NBA player or a Nobel Prize laureate. I don't care about that. But I need affection and sex from women because I am a male human with a SOUL. I am biologically compelled.
The point is
The point is you can't lead a normal, healthy life without the huge love and romance aspect of the core human experience, but you can still lead a normal life without being an NBA player or a Nobel winner.

Being deprived of basic human affection gestures your entire life will stunt your mental development.

It is not logically sound to believe something is completely impossible and yet lament it to such an extent that an outsider would think that they are missing something they even had a chance of having!
This is the whole reason why we're all here. It's what brought us here. We want to complain because it feels good to finally be understood by other who go through similar things.

If we were all focusing on copes, then we would not be here today. We would instead be on forums dedicated to hobbies and other copes. And I'm sure there are currently incels out there blending in on other normal forums and trying to cope. Those who did not want to complain never came here.
"the blackpill will set you free".
The blackpill is just the reality that women only care about looks and will never be able to love ugly men. I don't feel set free by acknowledging reality. I am still imprisoned within the flesh walls of my own ugly body.
I believe that the logical conclusion to the BP is to stop talking about something you can supposedly never change and to start seeing what you can do in other areas of your life.
:feelsseriously:
The logical conclusion of the blackpill is ultimately a revolution because things will get worse exponentially and it's not a sustainable.

Less and less men will have sex. More and more men will be bitter and frustrated and angry with women. Women will have higher and higher standards. There will be fewer and fewer births because of this. It's simply not a sustainable model and men will need to take drastic action in 100-150 years from now in order to prevent the collapse of society.
I believe the reddit platitude of "Just enjoy your life without romance" is correct and a simple conclusion to the BP
So this is essentially the ''having a girlfriend won't fix your problems, bro :soy: Just focus on yourself :soy::soy:'' IncelTears meme.

The thing is, my problem is literally not having a girlfriend. Having a girlfriend would be the literal solution to that.

I've already been ''focusing on myself'' and keeping busy with copes my entire life. I just can't do it anymore. It is not humane to still be a KHHV at 31. It DECAYS your soul. You become feral. It's not normal. It's not how male humans are supposed to live.
 
Always count on LDAR. Accepting your bad lot in life leads to apathy, which almost inevietably leads to LDAR, because why bother doing anying?
 
Should it not be as impossible to us as becoming NBA players or Nobel Prize laureates? We don't think constantly about how we can never fulfill those things for the simple reason that they are completely out of the realm of possibility for us. The point is, if we truly believe that love is not possible, we shouldn't think about it as much as we do, and the fact that so many of us think about it as much as we do proves we don't truly think it is impossible.
what the fuck is this bitch ass reasoning? I don't have raging hormones COMMANDING me to become a fucking nobel laureate lil nignog :feelsUgh:
 
Should it not be as impossible to us as becoming NBA players or Nobel Prize laureates? We don't think constantly about how we can never fulfill those things for the simple reason that they are completely out of the realm of possibility for us.
What if they are? What if someone was too short to be an NBA player, too low IQ to win the Nobel prize, too old to become a good musician? The blackpill doesn't apply only to inceldom.
 
Relationships and sex are the most meaningful and pleasurable things in life. There’s no way to forget what has been encoded in your DNA.

Remember that the only reason we ever came into existence is by and for reproduction.

I agree that it’s best to make the most of what you can, but that doesn’t remove the sadness of being denied a universal human experience. It alleviates it slightly at best.

I believe LDAR vs cope is a personal decision, and for those whose brain chemistry is more prone to placing weight on relationships than copes, LDAR is a reasonable choice.

And as said above, inceldom seeps into other parts of your life, affecting even your ability to cope. Most social copes are hard to do when you’re lonely without friends too.
 
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But hypothetically, if I was with my waifu which is obviously impossible or unrealistic here, I wouldn't leave them for any physical reason. That probably doesn't mean much to you though
stop the cap lilbro. it's fine to admit you wouldn't want to spend the rest of your life with an abomination
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I cope because my life circumstances doesn't call for me to be a LDARmaxxer sadly, toxic family environment that I must get away from then I will cope in peace. The Blackpill has liberated me from always wondering why women were never attracted to me and why I don't get along with the average normie. I was just never meant to be born in this
 
You're right, black women are an abomination, my love isn't black
motherfucker :feelshmm: the point is it's possible to get fucked up to such degree that you wouldn't want the bitch no matter how high and mighty you larp
 
motherfucker :feelshmm: the point is it's possible to get fucked up to such degree that you wouldn't want the bitch no matter how high and mighty you larp
Fake NGL cause my dream woman would stick with me. Unless you mean actual foids nobody cares about those and I wouldn't have one anyways
 
The other follows a similar path, except he gets far too caught up in the incel "rope" and "LDAR" rhetoric. He believes that life is not worth living without the feeling of being desired, or having mutual emotional connection, and because of this he ultimately ends his life.
You got me right.

But it doesn't confine me to inaction, I'm maxxing everything I can.
Inceldom is not life, I will die trying leaving it
 

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