The "M and S" in LMS is cope...

[truecel23]

Money nor status really matters in attracting women. Only looks do.

The truest, greatest, and best feeling there is in this world is knowing that the person who you date and/or is having sex with you is attracted to you. No amount of money can bring that. No amount of money can allow the woman to be attracted to you.

Lets also examine status. Rowan Atkinson along with several unattractive but high status (and even wealthy) men don't have many women fawning over him. The only men who are high status that women fawn over are good looking men.

Its also fallacious to assume that unattractive women are still attracted to us. Its not the case. And that also hurts.

What solution is there? Normies will tell us to change things. Change our ways. "Work on ourselves." What is there to work on? I've proven that no amount of money, status, nor fame could actually fix the fundamental issue which is being unattractive.

As an unattractive man, if you try and fail, you are laughed at, if you don't try, you are laughed at, if you try and are the 1 in a million who is successful with an attractive woman, people laugh at the circumstances, if you try and get with someone who are considered unattractive women, you are laughed at, if you work on making a lot of money or chasing fame/status, you are laughed at, if you go to the gym even as a hobby and not in an attempt to attract women, you are laughed at. Can you ever win?

To normans reading this, I will explain what the end goal of incels is in two sentences.

The end goal of incels is to be desired sexually by women. Sex is just a byproduct of that.

FYI, many of us do have women as friends. And sometimes it is more detrimental to our mental health rather than helpful when they talk about other guys who they are in relationships with or are chasing. A lot of these women do see us as just other women in the way they interact with us. And that hurts. It hurts a lot.

 

[Deleted member 2119]

There is a huge correlation between Looks and Status

 

[NeverSubmit]

Money and status make it easier to attract women If I was a celebrity I would have a groups of fangirls wanting to have sex with me.

 

[truecel23]

Money and status make it easier to attract women If I was a celebrity I would have a groups of fangirls wanting to have sex with me.

If you were good looking that is. If you weren't, women would just fawn over your character but that doesn't mean they will find you sexually attractive.

 

[NeverSubmit]

If you were good looking that is. If you weren't, women would just fawn over your character but that doesn't mean they will find you sexually attractive.

A lot of these rappers and rockstars are not good looking but girls still want to have sex with them. Obviously if you're hideous it won't work you need to be normal looking but not necessarily conventionally attractive.

 

[Coping BBC]

Legit, looks trump all. If you are extremely handsome you can easily get M and S. Remember that poor felon MeekS.

 

[truecel23]

A lot of these rappers and rockstars are not good looking but girls still want to have sex with them. Obviously if you're hideous it won't work you need to be normal looking but not necessarily conventionally attractive.

They are average.

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Legit, looks trump all. If you are extremely handsome you can easily get M and S. Remember that poor felon MeekS.

That's 1 in a million (meeks), but even for the standard attractive man, you can still live a happy life.

 

[QuantumDummy]

Thought it stood for Looks Matter Seldomly.

 

[blackpill_incel]

Legit, looks trump all. If you are extremely handsome you can easily get M and S. Remember that poor felon MeekS.

go back to lookism. you don't belong here.

 

[ghostcell]

They are average.

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That's 1 in a million (meeks), but even for the standard attractive man, you can still live a happy life.

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even standard attractive guys live shit lives these days.... i am 5.5/6 out of 10 PSL, I can't even get a tinder like. Some of my acquaintances from high school, I know they are 7/10, some even 7.5. But they get cucked, barely get matches, only make out with ugly chicks at parties, and get ghosted soon after... the world is just truly a fucked up place in the west, a dystopian nightmare of sorts

 

[Martialartscel]

Harvey Weinstein.

Louis CK.

Bill Cosby.

Money and status mean shit if the girl is not attracted to you physically. You might as well bang a whore, at least they know how to suck a dick.

 

[truecel23]

even standard attractive guys live shit lives these days.... i am 5.5/6 out of 10 PSL, I can't even get a tinder like. Some of my acquaintances from high school, I know they are 7/10, some even 7.5. But they get cucked, barely get matches, only make out with ugly chicks at parties, and get ghosted soon after... the world is just truly a fucked up place in the west, a dystopian nightmare of sorts

You're not a standard attractive guy. You're normie-ish.

 

[ghostcell]

You're not a standard attractive guy. You're normie-ish.

yeah a failed normie, best i can do is betabucks or move to asia. but I see that even for friends of mine who are +2 PSL higher, it still sucks.

One of them has a GF who literally cannot get wet for him, and the other one keeps getting cucked (literally) by girls who are dating multiple guys at the same time, and when they have to choose, never choose my friend. These guys are 7 and 8 out of 10 respectively

 

[CopingGymcel]

Just lol if you don't think that women aren't attracted to high status men. You're out of touch with reality.

 

[truecel23]

Harvey Weinstein.

Louis CK.

Bill Cosby.

Money and status mean shit if the girl is not attracted to you physically. You might as well bang a whore, at least they know how to suck a dick.

Well said.

Also, there are many celebrity examples of women (attractive ones too) who marry an unattractive movie star etc and the man later describes the marriage as a dead bedroom relationship.

Just having a ring on the finger means nothing. The intimacy side of things can be nonexistant. In addition, the same happens with unattractive couples. When neither sides have any attraction to the other end whatsoever, there is literally no motivation to have sex.

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yeah a failed normie, best i can do is betabucks or move to asia. but I see that even for friends of mine who are +2 PSL higher, it still sucks.

One of them has a GF who literally cannot get wet for him, and the other one keeps getting cucked (literally) by girls who are dating multiple guys at the same time, and when they have to choose, never choose my friend. These guys are 7 and 8 out of 10 respectively

Yup. This is the reality of the sexual marketplace in 2018.

 

[Machiavelli]

M and S are super legit.

The people who claim money is a cope are middle class people.

Super rich and poor people realize money is everything in this life.

 

[truecel23]

M and S are super legit.

The people who claim money is a cope are middle class people.

Super rich and poor people realize money is everything in this life.

Does it make you sexually attractive? Fuck no.

 

[NekoStance]

I've seen broke low status Chads be rejected for better MS average norms

so yeh you're wrong

LMS reigns supreme, always

 

[Machiavelli]

Does it make you sexually attractive? Fuck no.

You don't know the extent of money.

Money gets you influences connections and power.

muhhh uglyyyyy

You have the money for surgery and even experimental shit

 

[truecel23]

I've seen broke low status Chads be rejected for better MS average norms

so yeh you're wrong

LMS reigns supreme, always

For betabux or hookups though?

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You don't know the extent of money.

Money gets you influences connections and power.

muhhh uglyyyyy

You have the money for surgery and even experimental shit

Experimental surgeries or what "experimental shit" are you referring to?

 

[KyloRen]

I think Mythbusters (Cuckbusters) made a nonscientific (as everything else that they do) experiment with two groups of women (groups were the size of a movie theater, I believe). Both were shown the same pics of men but with their occupations changed to reflect higher status. One group was shown a low status/money career (same male, same pic) while the other was shown a high status/money career (same male, same pic).

Eg, Dental hygienist --> Dentist
Eg. Bank teller --> Investment banker

IIRC, the group of women who were shown a higher status/career profile, rated the men on average by 1-2 points higher in attractiveness than the other group.

Big extra is that a good career can help you afford expensive surgeries required to fix your face.

 

[truecel23]

I think Mythbusters (Cuckbusters) made a nonscientific (as everything else that they do) experiment with two groups of women (groups were the size of a movie theater, I believe). Both were shown the same pics of men but with their occupations changed to reflect higher status. One group was shown a low status/money career (same male, same pic) while the other was shown a high status/money career (same male, same pic).

Eg, Dental hygienist --> Dentist
Eg. Bank teller --> Investment banker

IIRC, the group of women who were shown a higher status/career profile, rated the men on average by 1-2 points higher in attractiveness than the other group.

Big extra is that a good career can help you afford expensive surgeries required to fix your face.

Yes and is that raw visceral attraction wise?

Also, expensive surgeries have their technological limitations, bud.

 

[KyloRen]

Yes and is that raw visceral attraction wise?

Also, expensive surgeries have their technological limitations, bud.

Granted, it is a chicken or the egg, type of question.

But, remember, that, biologically, reproductive success also has to do with resource accumulation. Having a lot of resources indicate the ability to raise successful children who can also pass on their genes. This can act on the subconscious level of women and are, theoretically, equal, to raw visceral attraction since it is a primal/biological indicator.

Surgeries do have their limitations, you can't go to chad status, but you can get to normie or even chadlite status depending on what issues you have.

 

[truecel23]

Granted, it is a chicken or the egg, type of question.

But, remember, that, biologically, reproductive success also has to do with resource accumulation. Having a lot of resources indicate the ability to raise successful children who can also pass on their genes. This can act on the subconscious level of women and are, theoretically, equal, to raw visceral attraction since it is a primal/biological indicator.

Surgeries do have their limitations, you can't go to chad status, but you can get to normie or even chadlite status depending on what issues you have.

A large number of individuals on this site have the capability of just reproducing. But we aren't here just because we want to reproduce. We want a good romantic life. We're more than just primitive beings and care about great experiences with a loving partner.

But I see your logic. Would that improve an incel's chances of having a healthy sex life with a gf/wife and the wife wanting to be with him though?

 

[KyloRen]

A large number of individuals on this site have the capability of just reproducing. But we aren't here just because we want to reproduce. We want a good romantic life. We're more than just primitive beings and care about great experiences with a loving partner.

But I see your logic. Would that improve an incel's chances of having a healthy sex life with a gf/wife and the wife wanting to be with him though?

This site is a lot of things. It's filled with people who can reproduce but choose not to. But then there's folks like me and several others who aren't even given the light of day by a woman. We're unwanted because we're unattractive. 

If you want a good romantic life, having a good career is part of it. Just be careful you don't get cucked (eg. don't rush into marriage, get a pre-nup). If you're moderately attractive and have a stable career, you most likely will get a relationship in your mid to late 20s. It'll be tough, you'll get rejected, but it's possible. She won't be a Stacy, she probably won't be physically fit, but you can find someone. If she really wants you, well, that I can't help you with. It's something you'll have to figure it out by yourself.

 

[KyloRen]

Resources make you provider tier, it won't make her physically attracted to you

Resource accumulation is a big part of biological attraction, it indicates to a future mother that children with this man will be able to grow up successfully, which means them (the children) passing on their genes (which is the ultimate biological impetus).

In theory, resource accumulation indicates to a woman that you are a suitable male to have children with (eg. sex). That acts subconsciously, and such feelings can be interpreted as attraction.

Of course, looks matter most. But, money and status are important factors as well. Just like muscles and height are important too in discussing attractiveness.

 

[NekoStance]

I've seen broke low status Chads be rejected for better MS average norms
so yeh you're wrong
LMS reigns supreme, always

For betabux or hookups though?

Both, if you think women past the age of 21 will like a low status broke guy even if he is goodlooking you are dreaming

the thing is good Looks usually lead to Money and Status naturally, probably why you say these things. Unless complete autist whose parents did a retarded job raising a goodlooking guy will aquire Status and Money, this world is designed for him

 

[VST]

Go outside, status does matter. It matters a lot more than looks.

Just look at all these manlet rappers that are getting pussy on the regular.
Walk near a local college, you'll see tonnes of average looking men making out with above average women.

It goes Social status> Looks > Money.

 

[Deleted member 60]

This site is a lot of things. It's filled with people who can reproduce but choose not to. But then there's folks like me and several others who aren't even given the light of day by a woman. We're unwanted because we're unattractive. 

If you want a good romantic life, having a good career is part of it. Just be careful you don't get cucked (eg. don't rush into marriage, get a pre-nup). If you're moderately attractive and have a stable career, you most likely will get a relationship in your mid to late 20s. It'll be tough, you'll get rejected, but it's possible. She won't be a Stacy, she probably won't be physically fit, but you can find someone. If she really wants you, well, that I can't help you with. It's something you'll have to figure it out by yourself.

pass me the rope.

 

[Jockcel]

You're retarded if you think only looks matter.

 

[truecel23]

Resources make you provider tier, it won't make her physically attracted to you

Yeah that's what I've been saying for an eternity haha.

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Both, if you think women past the age of 21 will like a low status broke guy even if he is goodlooking you are dreaming

the thing is good Looks usually lead to Money and Status naturally, probably why you say these things. Unless complete autist whose parents did a retarded job raising a goodlooking guy will aquire Status and Money, this world is designed for him

I'm not really sure about the "good looks usually lead to money."

That only applies of you're modelling as a career.

 

[KyloRen]

There's no way for evolution to take modern resources into account for biological attraction. It's just women knowing they can use mens attraction to them to get access to stuff. It's not an attraction in a physical sense, more just a business deal.

I don't disagree, but this is a big gray area. Our biological impetus to reproduce is present every where and at every time. I'm not an evolutionary psychologist so I cannot attest to how valid modern psychology can react to these ideas, but the theory still remains. 

In theory this can cause attraction. I may be entirely wrong, though, and it is like you say, solely a business deal. I'd have to do more digging on evolutionary psychology and attraction.

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pass me the rope.

Speedy Delivery!

 

[NekoStance]

Resources make you provider tier, it won't make her physically attracted to you

Yeah that's what I've been saying for an eternity haha.

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Both, if you think women past the age of 21 will like a low status broke guy even if he is goodlooking you are dreaming
the thing is good Looks usually lead to Money and Status naturally, probably why you say these things. Unless complete autist whose parents did a retarded job raising a goodlooking guy will aquire Status and Money, this world is designed for him

I'm not really sure about the "good looks usually lead to money."
That only applies of you're modelling as a career.

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Haha you are pretty simple incel, probably you are quite young

did you know in many autist cases it is caused by kid being ugly

what I mean by looks will lead to better life is more ppl will want to be friends with him, he will make better connections and develop stronger skills and he will be hired in jobs he applies for. Looks leads to status and money generally, forget that modelling crap

 

[Kointo1]

It's not cope. How else do millionaires get top tier models as wives?

 

[KyloRen]

It's not cope. How else do millionaires get top tier models as wives?

 

[Tellem--T]

I somewhat agree, I want women to be attracted to my looks, instead of wealth and status, but the thing is looks don't last forever (unless you are a masculine gigachad) Everything matters.

 

[BlackPillDealer]

It really depends on the country or environment you live in, and what is in short supply over there.

For example if you go to a poor country or someplace where women aren't allowed to work, the women will value wealthy men more than good looking men.

Obviously in the West women can get welfare, work for their own money and are even artificially provided more opportunities through government legislation such as through gender quotas. So Western women will value looks and overall status, including fame and popularity, more than wealth.

 

[truecel23]

I don't disagree, but this is a big gray area. Our biological impetus to reproduce is present every where and at every time. I'm not an evolutionary psychologist so I cannot attest to how valid modern psychology can react to these ideas, but the theory still remains. 

In theory this can cause attraction. I may be entirely wrong, though, and it is like you say, solely a business deal. I'd have to do more digging on evolutionary psychology and attraction.

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Speedy Delivery!

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Its hardly attraction. Its a drive to get materialistic things. But often they run off and cheat on these same men to also have their cardinal desires fulfilled.

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Haha you are pretty simple incel, probably you are quite young

did you know in many autist cases it is caused by kid being ugly

what I mean by looks will lead to better life is more ppl will want to be friends with him, he will make better connections and develop stronger skills and he will be hired in jobs he applies for. Looks leads to status and money generally, forget that modelling crap

Cope. I'm pretty fucking ugly and leading on a good career.

 

[Deleted member 60]

Go outside, status does matter. It matters a lot more than looks.

Just look at all these manlet rappers that are getting pussy on the regular.
Walk near a local college, you'll see tonnes of average looking men making out with above average women.

It goes Social status> Looks > Money.

Status matters, but not as much as looks. Music videos are not real life. 
Also, at my college I don't see ANY average looking guys with women. Hypergamy is getting much worse.

 

[Framecel222]

Money is mostly cope but you are pants-on-retarded if you think girls don't care about status.

Like I can't stress enough how dumb you are if you think status doesn't matter. That's lobotomite-tier retardation.

 

[truecel23]

Money is mostly cope but you are pants-on-retarded if you think girls don't care about status.

Like I can't stress enough how dumb you are if you think status doesn't matter. That's lobotomite-tier retardation.

Status when it comes to EXTREME levels. Unreasonable levels.

 

[Kointo1]

Status when it comes to EXTREME levels. Unreasonable levels.

How else do you think all those YouTubers get gfs?

 

[Framecel222]

Status when it comes to EXTREME levels. Unreasonable levels.

You ever been to college? There are a ton of popular frat bros that regularly fuck Stacies despite being 5/10 themselves.

 

[NekoStance]

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Haha you are pretty simple incel, probably you are quite young
did you know in many autist cases it is caused by kid being ugly
what I mean by looks will lead to better life is more ppl will want to be friends with him, he will make better connections and develop stronger skills and he will be hired in jobs he applies for. Looks leads to status and money generally, forget that modelling crap

Cope. I'm pretty fucking ugly and leading on a good career.

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Well i can tell you that is not the norm for incels here

 

[Machiavelli]

For betabux or hookups though?

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Experimental surgeries or what "experimental shit" are you referring to?

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zygos osteotomies

orbital box osteotomy 

a legit lefort 3 not a modified 

shit like that

 

[truecel23]

You ever been to college? There are a ton of popular frat bros that regularly fuck Stacies despite being 5/10 themselves.

5/10s aren't necessarily incel usually.

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zygos osteotomies

orbital box osteotomy 

a legit lefort 3 not a modified 

shit like that

Would you want a legit lefort III though? That's the question.

Its said to have a lot of scarring

I don't think money is the thing for orbital box osteotomy. But rather danger. Which doc performs it? Can you tell me?

 

[KilluminoidBR]

Wrong, low IQ topic.

Otherwise this fucker wouldnt slay till his dick dont get hard anymore.

 

[truecel23]

Well i can tell you that is not the norm for incels here

No I've had terrible grades last semester. I was even more depressed than I was this semester. Most incels here could do very well, but we are too depressed and demotivated to try.

While like 50% of incels are probably NEETs or working minimum wage jobs, there are plenty who have excellent careers and in engineering and high paying careers. Lots of incels in my engineering program, lol. Probably blue pilled ones.

Literally the only motivation was when some plastic surgery student told me that I might be able to surgerymaxx to a 6/10 PSL facially (just going off hand without x-rays of course). That's the only hope I have.

 

[Machiavelli]

5/10s aren't necessarily incel usually.

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Would you want a legit lefort III though? That's the question.

Its said to have a lot of scarring

I don't think money is the thing for orbital box osteotomy. But rather danger. Which doc performs it? Can you tell me?

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lefort 3 can turn someone from subhuman to above average

if you don't have a diagnosed syndrome no ethical doctor would perform an orbital box for aesthetic reasons 

but

you can just pay them off

 

[truecel23]

lefort 3 can turn someone from subhuman to above average

if you don't have a diagnosed syndrome no ethical doctor would perform an orbital box for aesthetic reasons 

but

you can just pay them off

It also moves the superorbital ridge too, no?

Have you heard of full lefort IIIs helping someone out?

Also I've heard about orbital rim osteotomies. I wonder how that works