Discussion The futility of therapy

[your personality]

This is from a thread I had on incelswithouthate. I would like to know what you think.

The tried and true 'help' advice for incels and people who seem to have issues being mistreated with women and vent about them is to 'see a therapist'.
Many people all ready see a therapist. Here is why I think recommending such advice is not helpful:

1. Appointments with therapists to discuss issues are limited by the therapist's schedule and are not usually available on a daily basis unless you are willing to pay a lot of money.
2. Many therapists will not be able to relate to the issues incels talk about regarding the sexual marketplace, connecting to women on an intimate level in face of competition from other potential mates, due to age differences between the patient and therapist and the rapid change in technology in how people meet each other (for example: dating apps, social media).
3. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), mindfulness, and positive thinking are some of the only strategies suggested by therapists to deal with issues where you feel like venting. While helpful to some, these strategies are obviously not adequate, or incels would not feel the need to vent online.
4. It costs money to attend a therapy session and vent your issues. On forums online, you can vent your issues and connect with like-minded people to feel less alone.
5. Stifling discourse because it is unflattering to women is akin to telling a group of people that were bullied and were venting about it (sometimes not in the nicest of ways, as is to be expected from the frustration and hurt bullying and harassment causes) to shut up because what they are saying is making bullies look bad, that bullies are misunderstood, and that the people who were bullied are not being sympathetic enough.When people in difficult circumstances are not able to vent their feelings with like-minded people, it alienates them from society even more and makes them more prone to depression or lashing out.

feel free to add other reasons why therapy is not a complete substitute

 

[Incel_Because_Short]

Take the money you're going to spend on a therapist and spend it on an escort instead that gives GFE. It's not only more effective, but it at least partially solves your problem compared to all the mindfulness bullshit and pills they peddle at you.

 

[your personality]

Take the money you're going to spend on a therapist and spend it on an escort instead that gives GFE. It's not only more effective, but it at least partially solves your problem compared to all the mindfulness bullshit and pills they peddle at you.

Pills are the only thing that help. Mindfulness and CBT are literally just copes.

 

[truthpill]

Just take your good goy pills

 

[SuperMario64DS]

Psychologists and Psychiatrists can be helpful to some extent, but they will lead you to a path of two ways:

1. Self-Acceptance, which is really fucking hard to do and you can't really do it because it's not natural to accept yourself without comparing yourself to others.
2. Escapism; pills, relativism, "it's all about perspective," "there's a plan in place for you."

I know Psychiatrists who have bigger problems than me lmao

 

[Deleted member 27159]

Therapy is a load of bullshit. Their advice is shit. They will only make your problems much worse by giving fake bluepilled advice. They can even sell you out to police or tell other people. This is ignoring the fact that it is extremely expensive and that the therapists won’t even try since they don’t want to spend time with you.

Best thing to do is ask advice from forums like this one or google up solutions.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), mindfulness, and positive thinking are some of the only strategies suggested by therapists to deal with issues where you feel like venting. While helpful to some, these strategies are obviously not adequate, or incels would not feel the need to vent online.

It's funny because you can do similar stuff on your own, and you don't even need to bluepill yourself in the process. I've found that as opposed to trying (and failing) to bullshit myself about human behavior, or trying to somehow "rethink" being a fucking perpetual loser, it's actually more effective to detach myself from caring about all of it in the first place. I've killed much of my emotional investment in the outside world, and nuked my desire for female validation. The only thing which really still bothers me are memories from childhood and sexual urges to a much lesser extent. However this also leads me to have no further reason to try and escape NEETdom, which runs contrary to one of the goals of therapy. The goal of therapy is to make you be productive for the system, even if that system is often working against you. That's one of the reasons why therapists won't be fully honest with you.

Actually one of the things I was told to do was visualization, which I was already doing everyday jfl. I didn't mention tulpamaxxing though, didn't want to get sent back to the psych ward again.

 

[your personality]

It's funny because you can do similar stuff on your own, and you don't even need to bluepill yourself in the process. I've found that as opposed to trying (and failing) to bullshit myself about human behavior, or trying to somehow "rethink" being a fucking perpetual loser, it's actually more effective to detach myself from caring about all of it in the first place. I've killed much of my emotional investment in the outside world, and nuked my desire for female validation. The only thing which really still bothers me are memories from childhood and sexual urges to a much lesser extent. However this also leads me to have no further reason to try and escape NEETdom, which runs contrary to one of the goals of therapy. The goal of therapy is to make you be productive for the system, even if that system is often working against you. That's one of the reasons why therapists won't be fully honest with you.

Actually one of the things I was told to do was visualization, which I was already doing everyday jfl. I didn't mention tulpamaxxing though, didn't want to get sent back to the psych ward again.

That part about nuking your desire for female validation is a massive cope tbh. If you can still get aroused by women and masturbate to them, you still desire female validation on some level.
If ever you do temporarily ascend and get attention from women, it is hard to forget even knowing all the things about the redpill and blackpill.

And I can't visualize for shit, it is annoying because something bad always seems to happen when I try to sit in silence (a bug lands on me, I sneeze, the light flickers, I feel itchy). Could be an autist or OCD trait, but it definitely rules out meditation as a cope for me.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

That part about nuking your desire for female validation is a massive cope tbh. If you can still get aroused by women and masturbate to them, you still desire female validation on some level.

I think we're talking about two different things. Getting aroused by women isn't the same thing as caring about what they think of me, the fact that they see me as a subhuman, and that I'll never have any physical or emotional closeness to them. This is why I wish my libido would just go away tbh. Any lingering desire I have goes away the moment I fap, so it's more a biological need rather than an emotional one.

And I can't visualize for shit, it is annoying because something bad always seems to happen when I try to sit in silence (a bug lands on me, I sneeze, the light flickers, I feel itchy). Could be an autist or OCD trait, but it definitely rules out meditation as a cope for me.

Eventually you might get to the point where you can visualize somewhat well even with your eyes open, but still I know what you mean, distractions make it more difficult.